What the flying fuck is going on here?
Parliament protest: Speaker Trevor Mallard’s actions won’t be covered in IPCA review
The IPCA has the authority only to investigate police actions – so it won’t be able to make determinations around whether the right calls were made by others, like Parliament’s Speaker Trevor Mallard, who blasted protesters with sprinklers and ‘Baby Shark’.
Look, yes, of course, after an incident as politically violent as this Dumb Lives Matters protest, the police MUST be investigated, but the Police aren’t the problem here!
We all watched the Police like hawks during this feral insanity, and I think we can all hand on heart say that the Police did an incredibly professional job under the most awful of situations.
Come on, I’m no apologist for the fucking cops, you all know how much I despise them and how their bullshit ruined my life!
I respect nurses, teachers, Drs, firefighters, ambulance staff, but not cops.
I have zero time for people amongst us who want the power to rule over us and call it protection.
If I had honestly seen any action by the cops that was beyond the scope of what they were being asked to do, I would have screamed bloody murder because I don’t like cops to start with, but come on, we all watched what happened here, the cops were infinitely patient and withstood calls from the Woke Left to go in with batons swinging!
Andrew Coster saved this country from the Wellington Middle Class Marxists who were screaming for the military to become involved and were attempting to create loopholes to have him replaced by the Governor General for fucks sakes!
The Police weren’t the problem, the fucking politicians and their supporters were!
On the morning of Thursday Stupid Thursday, the protest movement had lost momentum with a vast splintering of the factions in an over night social media shit fight where the Christian element of the protest left because of the violence that had occurred on Wednesday.
At the EXACT MOMENT the protest was imploding because of the lack of any intellectual philosophical cohesion amongst the desperate groups of lumpenproletariat what did Big Trev do?
Trev threw a temper tantrum in front of the media on Parliament’s balcony and demanded the Police clear the lawns.
What happened then?
He created a common enemy and live-streamed a 10 hour recruitment video that drew in thousands more protestors for fucks sake!
He then turned on the sprinklers and started basic bitch psy-op tactics akin to the FBI during the Branch Davidian siege in Waco by blasting protestors with music overnight.
Trev wound those protestors up for 3 weeks and when they lashed out called it a hate crime!
Where the fuck were the adults here?
Jacinda refused point blank to meet with the protestors and that was acceptable because they had made threats of violence and no Government should parley under those terms, but the Parliament could have sent down representatives to at least hear the pain of these people!
Before you say no one could have done that, the Māori Caucus did that at Ihumātao, if your counter to that is those protests were different, then I’d point you towards the incredible job the Māori Caucus did in negotiating all the Presidents of all the Gangs to do a vaccination video!
Look, we passed broad stroke legislation on the hoof in the face of a fucking pandemic! Of course there were people caught up in the feedback loop of those policy decisions. There were far more Kiwis who couldn’t take the jab than we first thought, and through no fault of their own they lost their jobs!
I never agreed with these protestors, I think the mandates were necessary and right! These people are feral lunatics with crazy conspiracy theories, but their pain is real and they have the right in a liberal progressive democracy to protest!
Yes they were angry because they have economically suffered and the isolation of that led many down far right conspiracy rabbit holes, but if we don’t want the poor to have their economic pain manipulated by the far right THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR FUCKING ECONOMIC PAIN!
By refusing to acknowledge them, by causing a common enemy with deeply flawed police tactics, to then spray them with freezing water and blast them with music – what the fuck did you think was going to happen?
All we did by refusing to de-escalate this madness is radicalise another 10 000 Kiwis! We recruited for the far right and handed them a propaganda coup! THAT MUST BE INVESTIGATED!
Investigating the cops is necessary and proper in an event like this, but they aren’t where the fucking responsibility lies, Mallard and the Government’s refusal to meet with them are!
What is most egregious in this clusterfuck are the woke Twitter and Wellington Middle Class Marxists who are now silent because they had their privilege pricked and freaked out and endlessly screamed NAZI at the protestors. Those tribal Left want to sweep this all under the carpet so that their own role in it is also left unexamined.
If Key was PM and pulling this kind of stunt by allowing him and his mates off the hook, the Left would be screaming, but because it’s our side and they felt scared by the smelly lumpenproletariat, they are as quiet as field mice.
Your cowardice is as ugly as your hypocrisy. These weren’t Nazis, they were Kiwis who were hurt by broad stroke policy. The Police force required at the end of this would have been far less if Mallard hadn’t throw a tantrum and the Government had met and acknowledged their pain.
Instead cancel culture and Outrage Olympics from Labour/Green middle class supporters decided how to respond and they collectively recruited for the far right WHILE building the momentum for a new Police State to go hunting for ‘Nazis’.
That colossal cock up demands some kind of fucking accountability!
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The seeming lack of cop and state security agency intelligence on what convoy factions were up to is mind boggling in the digital era.
In analogue ‘81 Tour days, the cops often knew protest plans before “rank & file” protestors did, via the penetration of undercovers and snouts at top level in the movement.
Mallard’s idiocy looks worse as time goes by, but that is minor compared to all the concerns over fall out from the convoy occupation.
The challenge is to organise public action challenging the Govt. and capitalists from a left, rather than reactionary perspective.
Ihumātao was an example of how to do things. John Minto and Alternative Aotearoa are one of the few campaigns (for a state house mega build) worthy of note at the moment-support it!
personally, mallard tried a peaceful tactic which coupled with wellie weather could possibly have ended the occupation, it didn’t, if it had we’d all be clapping not carping now
…. he’s still an irredeemable neo-lib lino so not flavour of the week, give him some grief on that score where he deserves it.
Most countries’ problems are caused by its politicians. New Zealand is no exception. Mallard’s foolish provocation simply provides a very visible example of bad governance on which to focus.
The IPCA inquiry which Ardern is piously citing does not emanate from government, it was instigated independent of government, by well over one thousand complainants. The logistics will ensure that it will take months, if not years, to investigate all these complaints.
In using the IPCA investigation into the police as an excuse not to currently proceed with an independent inquiry, Ardern is playing for time in the expectation that when it is completed, the heat will have died down, and this occurrence down at Parliament will be forgotten, and ‘transparency’ can be redefined once more.
No need for yet another costly Commission of Inquiry by the usual predictable sort of geriatrics either. A competent high level legal personage could do the job well. There may well be grounds for legal action against Parliamentary personages, and it’d be a much better look, an honest sort of look, if these were identified by a government instigated independent inquiry rather than by outliers, but right from the start, they’ve blown it.
I know that some NZ Police used bad language, and we all know that they disrespected private property like tents and such things.
“Most countries’ problems are caused by its politicians. New Zealand is no exception.”
in general I doubt the hearts of men and women voters back up this wishful thinking
Now that Michael Wood is doubling down and defending his description of protestors as a “river of filth”, it is becoming obvious that an inquiry into how and why politicians contributed to the disturbances at Parliament may be a matter of some urgency. It looks as if neither he nor Trevor Mallard can be relied upon to behave in a reasonable way, and their attitude towards sections of the New Zealand populace is unacceptable and counter-productive. Presumably the pair of them represent the view of the Parliamentary Labour Party, and this sort of negativity and hostility from the government towards the people who it purports to represent is as unhealthy as the virus and must be addressed. Shit-stirring then relying upon the police to protect them is no way to run a country already under stress.
There will be accountability….. at the ballot box. The people will not forget how this was handled.
So Mallard orders Parliament’s sprinklers turned on night and day against the demonstrators, Wood then complains about a river of filth, and the Greens say that they were planting herb gardens. None of this is amusing or appropriate activity in the Parliamentary precinct and bottom-feeder Luxon has got it right, for once, in calling for an independent inquiry.
You made good points above, although I’m wondering if your real name is “F-bomber” Bradley 🙂
This pandemic has revealed a democratic system that has proven not to be democratic. Democracy relies on trust, and so many policies and rules and individual actions from politicians and the supporting bureaucracy have destroyed that trust.
Some of the actions seem so deliberately designed to destroy lives, livelihoods and businesses, under the guise of “the pandemic made me do it” seems to wear thin for me. Can people be that stupid consistently and not see the impact of these decisions create far worse problems?
Maybe the failure to acknowledge the pandemic largely impacts 70yo+ dying “with” covid and other morbidities has allowed the media’s relentless hyping of the relative chance of death in healthy people to brainwash people into thinking we were dealing with Ebola rather than a serious flu.
Even so, that pharma and government has turned this into an opportunity to require submission to regular medication as a condition of citizenship is chilling in the extreme. Even if we allow that this is necessary for safety today, there is nothing in the design of changing regulations that would prevent abuse of this in the future. If anything, any protections that were in place are being stripped away.
Any safety valve, such as public discussion was clamped down and suppressed, on the basis that ANYTHING that questioned the narrative was a conspiracy theory and misinformation.
This is one of the most chilling aspects of the pandemic – the collusion between media, government and the wokist left segment to enforce just one version of the truth and silence all others.
This, and lack of accountability you highlight are the things that will speed the collapse of our society, although people will see the coming economic collapse as the cause, not the symptom.
Did the protest drive me to the far right? No, but it picked up another supporter. Has it turned me into a conspiracy theorist? In today’s terms, yes. But that phrase is so broad, it is just a label to stop discussion when facing up to the mounting evidence that people and systems can’t be so stupid for so long. Although I’ve never experienced cult-like behaviour at such scale. Likening it to Germany 1936 is hard not to do, although the difference between 1936 and 1939 is lost on many.
Spot on.
The main objective in any government inquiry is to set the frame of reference so as to avoid uncovering any embarrassing facts.
Must I send you the box set of Yes Minister to educate you? 😉
Come on this is an IPCA review. I hardly think that spells doom for police. This is the same authority that found unloading something like eight rounds at someone running away (from two officers)as “justified”