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I’ve been looking at the ‘Coninental’ Philosophers. Then had a look on line at Jean Paul Sartre of whom George Orwell is said to have called Sartre ‘That Bag of Wind’. https://www.openculture.com/2014/08/george-orwell-reviews-a-book-by-that-bag-of-wind-jean-paul-sartre-1948.html
Than further to a comparison of Sartre and Ayn Rand: http://endsofthought.blogspot.com/2007/08/sartre-and-ayn-rand-would-have-had-some.html
…What they share, really, is a similar delusion, or perhaps a similar lie: that they are conveying an uncomfortable truth when, in fact, they are telling the people exactly what the people want to hear. Let’s look at Rand’s case. The harsh truths she tells her American audience go something like this: Capitalism is wonderful. The world is objectively real. The highest value is individuality. Individuality consists of never collaborating with others, as that would water down the uniqueness of this individuality. And, naturally, morality requires that we care only about our own happiness and self-interest. Yup, integrity means looking out for number one. Obviously this is earth-shattering stuff.
Sartre is a better writer (though he also has a tendency to undermine the plausibility and readability of his fiction by overly un-subtle philosophical messages), and a much better philosopher, but this is to be expected: the French public is simply more demanding of its intellectuals. ..
To get a handle on the different aspects of what this has led to, we all really need a better education than at present in NZ. All we are fit for at present is being bowed key tappers producing propaganda, statistical figures and documents, and advertising to sell the goods that have been imported by overseas bank accounts with names, or produced here for overseas accounts with names. Where is the network of solid trading amongst the country’s own citizens in the country and supporting their neighbours’ businesses. Does anyone understand the flimsy nature of our nationhood, and the fragmentation of our economy, or what’s left after being hit by the IED of Labour’s sand Nationals’s hattering efforts?
You’re a deep and critical thinker eh @Grey.!
Do you feel like coming to Wellington to whip some of our former contemporaries into shape? I’ll pay for the Bluebridge but bring a sleeping bag – free internet, power and transport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VLKViKAW3U
Keep that idea floating OwT, we might have to have a gathering at a Fabian lecture or something. Time is passing by. and good handling of Covid isn’t lessening the long-term burdens of work undone.
By the way – next Fabian meeting nearly due – online but lets hear something.
Current and Upcoming Events – NZ Fabian Society
https://www.fabians.org.nz › event › list
Dr Siouxsie Wiles Fa’anānā Efeso Collins on lessons from responding to the pandemic – and challenges ahead
Reimagining Corporations: Putting Profits and Power with Workers and Communities
International human rights lawyer Amelia Evans will discuss this topic at 5:30pm on Friday 4 March at 2/57 Willis Street, Wellington.
Multinational corporations claim they are dealing with human rights abuses in their supply chains – whether it be forced labour, appalling working conditions, or child labour. But organisations like MSI Integrity, founded by Amelia Evans, regularly find evidence that abuses continue without accountability.
Amelia argues that to prevent corporate-related human rights and environmental abuses — and to address economic inequality — we need to move beyond voluntary corporate social responsibility programs, and start demanding that businesses are owned and governed by workers and communities. What if we had a right to share in the profit or benefits our labour generated? Or a right to workplace democracy? And what about all this talk within the business sector of “Stakeholder Capitalism” and “Rethinking the Purpose of the Corporation” — are these ideas transformative enough to meaningfully shift power to workers and communities?
Join us to explore the possibilities of a new economy centred on people and the planet.
Amelia Evans is an international human rights lawyer and currently an Open Society Economic Justice Fellow. She has investigated and reported on business and human rights issues, from the Central African Republic to Bangladesh to Berkeley, California. Previously, she was the Global Human Rights Fellow at Harvard Law School and was a clinical supervisor at Harvard Law School’s International Human Rights Clinic. She also clerked at the New Zealand Court of Appeal, and worked at the Crown Law Office. Amelia obtained her LL.M. from Harvard Law School whilst on a Fulbright. Her first degrees were in Law and Economics from Victoria University.
The session will be chaired by Dr Nina Hall, Assistant Professor in International Relations at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (Europe). Respondent will be Ash Holwell, founder and director of twofiftyseven – the co-working space where we hold our meetings.
All welcome. If you would like to attend, please register here. The event will be livestreamed on YouTube, and the link for that is here. It will also be recorded and available on YouTube if you search for “NZ Fabian Society.”
Please note that under Covid rules the venue is restricted to 70 people and registration is required. Vaccine pass is also required, masks must be worn in the vestibule and the lift, and the venue requests that masks be worn during the presentation.
A waiting list will be set up in case there are more than 70 who wish to attend in person.
When
March 4th, 2022 5:30 PM through 7:30 PM
Location
2/57 Willis Street
Wellington,
New Zealand
Register Now
Please note that, due to COVID restrictions, this session will be conducted via Zoom. A copy of the Zoom invitation will be emailed to you when you register. We intend to post a recording to our video channel.
This pandemic has been a long learning curve. We went strongly for a centralised vaccine strategy only to realise it’s the community operations shared with diverse local groups that can ensure the vaccines reach all cultures, all ages and ensure equity.
Two years of experience has been dramatic in its complications. The many layers of concern impact on the very core of who we are and what we must do to sustain effective communications. How do we ensure we can achieve an inclusive outcome and adapt our civic institutions?
Despite tactical bipartisanship, the time has been intensely political. It forced us to rethink economics and the role of the state. Sooner or later, we must begin absorb the lessons and regroup; becoming a society better, more equitable and more trusting of diverse capacity to respond and rebuild.
Siouxsie Wiles and Efeso Collins will offer us offer us their perspectives on the lessons
to build on.
When
March 3rd, 2022 6:30 PM through 8:00 PM
https://www.fabians.org.nz/index.php?option=com_civicrm&task=civicrm/event/info&reset=1&id=580&Itemid=44
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and 4th March
https://www.fabians.org.nz/index.php?option=com_civicrm&task=civicrm/event/info&reset=1&id=582&Itemid=44
PLEASE NOTE I am not sure whether this 4th March talk above is finally going to have a meeting or perhaps a zoom and a meeting or just zoom. Make your own enquiry and check. It sounds interesting.
5.30? 8:00 PM, Zoom Only No physical meeting New Zealand, Fabian Seminar … Putting Profits and Power with Workers and Communities, March 4th, 2022
Location
Zoom Only
No physical meeting
New Zealand
Register Now
Download iCalendar entry for this event.
Reimagining Corporations: Putting Profits and Power with Workers and Communities
International human rights lawyer Amelia Evans will discuss this topic at 5:30pm on Friday 4 March at 2/57 Willis Street, Wellington.
Reimagining Corporations: Putting Profits and Power with Workers and Communities
International human rights lawyer Amelia Evans will discuss this topic at 5:30pm on Friday 4 March at 2/57 Willis Street, Wellington.
Multinational corporations claim they are dealing with human rights abuses in their supply chains – whether it be forced labour, appalling working conditions, or child labour. But organisations like MSI Integrity, founded by Amelia Evans, regularly find evidence that abuses continue without accountability.
Amelia argues that to prevent corporate-related human rights and environmental abuses — and to address economic inequality — we need to move beyond voluntary corporate social responsibility programs, and start demanding that businesses are owned and governed by workers and communities. What if we had a right to share in the profit or benefits our labour generated? Or a right to workplace democracy? And what about all this talk within the business sector of “Stakeholder Capitalism” and “Rethinking the Purpose of the Corporation” — are these ideas transformative enough to meaningfully shift power to workers and communities?
Join us to explore the possibilities of a new economy centred on people and the planet.
Amelia Evans is an international human rights lawyer and currently an Open Society Economic Justice Fellow. She has investigated and reported on business and human rights issues, from the Central African Republic to Bangladesh to Berkeley, California. Previously, she was the Global Human Rights Fellow at Harvard Law School and was a clinical supervisor at Harvard Law School’s International Human Rights Clinic. She also clerked at the New Zealand Court of Appeal, and worked at the Crown Law Office. Amelia obtained her LL.M. from Harvard Law School whilst on a Fulbright. Her first degrees were in Law and Economics from Victoria University.
The session will be chaired by Dr Nina Hall, Assistant Professor in International Relations at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (Europe). Respondent will be Ash Holwell, founder and director of twofiftyseven – the co-working space where we hold our meetings.
All welcome. If you would like to attend, please register here. The event will be livestreamed on YouTube, and the link for that is here. It will also be recorded and available on YouTube if you search for “NZ Fabian Society.”
Please note that under Covid rules the venue is restricted to 70 people and registration is required. Vaccine pass is also required, masks must be worn in the vestibule and the lift, and the venue requests that masks be worn during the presentation.
A waiting list will be set up in case there are more than 70 who wish to attend in person.
??When
March 4th, 2022 5:30 PM through 7:30 PM
Location
2/57 Willis Street
Wellington,
New Zealand
Multinational corporations claim they are dealing with human rights abuses in their supply chains – whether it be forced labour, appalling working conditions, or child labour. But organisations like MSI Integrity, founded by Amelia Evans, regularly find evidence that abuses continue without accountability.
Amelia argues that to prevent corporate-related human rights and environmental abuses — and to address economic inequality — we need to move beyond voluntary corporate social responsibility programs, and start demanding that businesses are owned and governed by workers and communities. What if we had a right to share in the profit or benefits our labour generated? Or a right to workplace democracy? And what about all this talk within the business sector of “Stakeholder Capitalism” and “Rethinking the Purpose of the Corporation” — are these ideas transformative enough to meaningfully shift power to workers and communities?
Join us to explore the possibilities of a new economy centred on people and the planet.
Amelia Evans is an international human rights lawyer and currently an Open Society Economic Justice Fellow. She has investigated and reported on business and human rights issues, from the Central African Republic to Bangladesh to Berkeley, California. Previously, she was the Global Human Rights Fellow at Harvard Law School and was a clinical supervisor at Harvard Law School’s International Human Rights Clinic. She also clerked at the New Zealand Court of Appeal, and worked at the Crown Law Office. Amelia obtained her LL.M. from Harvard Law School whilst on a Fulbright. Her first degrees were in Law and Economics from Victoria University.
The session will be chaired by Dr Nina Hall, Assistant Professor in International Relations at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (Europe). Respondent will be Ash Holwell, founder and director of twofiftyseven – the co-working space where we hold our meetings.
All welcome. If you would like to attend, please register here. ? The event will be livestreamed on YouTube, and the link for that is here. It will also be recorded and available on YouTube if you search for “NZ Fabian Society.”
Please note that under Covid rules the venue is restricted to 70 people and registration is required. Vaccine pass is also required, masks must be worn in the vestibule and the lift, and the venue requests that masks be worn during the presentation.
A waiting list will be set up in case there are more than 70 who wish to attend in person.
I have left all details just in case they can hold a real meeting. But check it out as indicated above.
https://guitar.com/news/music-news/sting-eric-clapton-baffled-vaccine-mandates-scepticism/
Almost 20,000 new today covid cases – 12,530 in Auckland, 691 in Wgtn, 355 in Hutt
https://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=142535
Jesus fucken Christ, Greywarbler, we’re not markers on your thesis.
Not suire why oi should commkent here with 36 viewers, hoi. Certainly not correct my mis-types. My complaint is the true Left not being full on against the Ukraine invasion. Snotty cool kid specialness, rather than our ideals of democracy and reason. This is a point to stand, to drive back the anti-democrats here, and there. A great opportunity, the greatest in the last 40 years perhaps.
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My apparent craziness isn’t as bad as your real craziness so don’t moan. I don’t know what happened with that long thing I put up. One doesn’t get a chance to go back and tidy up, does one! That something went wrong would be obvious to most people but of course not to you. I kept changing around because I wasn’t sure about the venue and method. and didn’t clear the previous bit. So thinking about Heraclitus and the river – it won’t happen again. But you will find something else to complain about, I bet a chocolate fish on it.
“No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man.” ― Heraclitus.
…21/11/2019 https://tanners.blog › same-river-twice