Kāinga Ora reconsidering evictions policy, minister says
One elderly couple desperately want their neighbours evicted from the state housing complex in Whangārei where they live, after death threats and police callouts, and most recently a rowdy party at the weekend that ended in an arrestand car crash.
According to one lawyer, they are just the tip of the iceberg in cases of Kāinga Ora tenants being terrorised in their own homes and Kāinga Ora is “unquestionably” breaking the law by not evicting unruly tenants.
No Kāinga Ora tenants have been evicted in the past three years, with Associate Minister of Housing Poto Williams today saying evictions remained a ‘last resort’, but the government would not accept adding to homelessness.
The hapless and hopeless Poto Williams is going to be crucified on this issue so it should get passed to someone else quickly. She has all the talent of Kris Faafoi with the policy delivery skills of Phil Twyford.
These Kainga Ora scum tenants are a political gift National simply can’t touch bcause of their appalling state housing meth lie.
The $120 million wasted on meth decontamination.
The 2400 state tenants thrown onto the streets at the height of a housing and homelessness crisis.
The demonisation of state tenants by National to sell state housing privatisation.
The mainstream media gleefully bashing dirty filthy beneficiaries to sell newspapers.
The fact state tenants had to have all their possessions destroyed because of the so called ‘contamination’.
The tens of thousands of dollars in debt HNZ forced upon state tenants in the flawed Tenancy Tribunal and the open question of how many children were stolen from state tenants by state services because of meth hysteria.
National’s disgraceful State Housing Meth lie means they have no legitimacy or mana on ANY State Housing issue.
These scum Kainga Ora tenants who are threatening and intimidating other State Housing clients shit directly into the faces of the 24 010 NZers on the emergency housing wait lists but we have an obligation as a liberal progressive democracy to grind our teeth and house these bullies and thugs.
The solution is more state houses so that tenants being bullied and attacked by these scum tenants have the opportunity to move.
I know, I know, I know.
We despise these Kainga Ora bullies who attack other state tenants but we have an obligation to find them housing because the alternative is far worse.
Labour need to handle this now or it will become a political wound that gets septic.
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It is a difficult question – many more deserving low income people desperate for a state house, who are not unruly and making life hell for their neighbours, versus, where do they put the Kāinga Ora scum tenants?
I favour new housing set up like those indestructible toilets, tiny houses, made of aluminium, indestructible and self cleaning and supervise the scum with a lot of security in the vicinity.
One of the lessons from the meth evictions was when scum tenants were evicted, they then went and damaged/contaminated more houses every 3 months as they got evicted from their next house.
The fake Meth levels were too low and committee led by the woke not scientists used to determine that yet another house was not fit to be habitable, taking out more housing and private and state landlords, bearing the brunt of the scum tenants.
Then the changes to the tenancy acts, meaning that it becomes difficult to evict scum tenants and gold standards of healthy homes, combined means a huge bill if anybody gets a scum tenant who destroys the house, heatpumps, etc.
Remember that specialist cleaning firms charge $18,000 just to clean out a place for 3 days work, https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime-scene-cleaners-defends-18000-bill-for-cleaning-up-hoarders-house/2M6KB4X7O4XJMQKEELASEJHZHM/. Then people wonder why nobody wants to rent low income housing, people who have mental problems (hoarding) and why it now costs more than a years rent to pay for ‘repairs’ to rental properties.
In some circumstances it might be better to take the children of scum tenants who are violent and neglectful and put them with a family that doesn’t replicate the problem and can provide them with life not filled with anger and fear.
However Oranga Tamariki is so dysfunctional in some of their decisions, that nobody trusts them to do this properly with their race based woke assessments, full of errors, poorly trained and unqualified staff and inability to look past colour, to what is best and safest for the child.
the low meth level contamination tests were nothing to do with ‘woke’ but a govt acquiescing to a moral panic generated by businessmen with an eye to screwing the public–nice try save but no seegar
Many of the 30 groups ‘consulted’ on the meth levels like community housing were woke, but yes some were just right wingers. It was the blind leading the blind, just like them on the housing crisis that they make worse every decision they make.
back then ‘woke’ just meant ‘me alarms gone off’
Don’t forget there was a killing to be made from testing too. Those test kits were of a low standard and used by scumbag landlords and their agents to screw over tenants.
A no win situation for the Govt. in the short term.
The answer is obviously to embark on a nationwide state house/apartment mega build, with bullet proof tiny houses for homeless etc. Flooding this country with modular housing in every town and Suburb would soon deflate the “renting overpriced dumps for life” scenario for gen XYZ.
No eviction for difficult customers is bound to wind certain people up. And it unfortunately obscures the perfectly legitimate goal of life time and transferable state tenancies for others.
What is more state houses gonna do, if people are not safe in their state house and have to leave all the time, as scum tenants (MB headlines not mine) take over.
The problem isn’t going away with more houses, in fact it seems to be escalating as gang membership and gun violence is up in NZ.
What is it with the calibre of this government’s ministers? Turns out Phil Twyford was not a rogue idiot, there’s plenty more where he came from.
Look, there is a social contract with the people of this country that allows state housing to exist. But over the years whatever it’s latest trendy name is, the state have been awful landlords. This undermines the entire system that in turn allows for government’s to offload it to avoid the bad news that comes from such mismanagement!
We now learn that the well meaning but hopelessly out of touch ministers have been running a no eviction policy so scum can trash their home, shit all over their neighbours and reduce the neighbourhood to an extension of their cesspool. This cannot happen any longer.
This is destroying that social licence and countless innocent good people’s lives. No one wants state houses near them for that reason. Gangs and pure dysfunction set up next to unsuspecting law abiding neighbours and you know its all over for these good people.
Poto worries about the kids of the scum. How in God’s name does she think they’re being raised in that case by these sub humans? Her primary concern is ensuring they can grow up just like their fucked up Mum and dads but with a roof over their heads to do so. Jesus wept, the incompetency of this Minister knows no bounds
Kaianga Ora are simply destroying neighbourhoods by not dealing with their fucked up tenants.
There is a big house for antisocial fuck ups that offers 3 squares a day. If they can’t appreciate the generosity of the state then they should feel it wrath.
Doing nothing, as the ministers and Kaianga Ora are doing is NOT an option!
+1 Xray. Stop saying OkayWokey and start saying consequences for bad behaviour.
This is a common theme amongst the kindly left, all the problems of the dysfunctional poor will be solved if thet gave a secure house to live in with decent amenities. There is no real care about them, no willingness to work alongside them, and a lot of talk about violence and children, but it is self-satisfaction then to do a bit of charity and quote that the poor are always with us. All people have talents and we would have a better New Zealand.
if we actually worked from that point, looking for the talent and encouraging stickability at finishing projects. Having a background of successful activity gaining skills and concentration would be a huge breakthrough. Preparing young people for an adult life with or without a place in the workforce rather than providing general theoretical education with no particular end in sight, and likely no job at the end of the education which is the future we now offer, would be a revolution in our treatment of the young. Then let them have a vote at sixteen, with clearer vision than the present wokeness and sense of being sidelined by an uncaring political machine, with commercial instincts, which is entirely justified.
+1 Greywarbler, I agree, there seems to be more a tick box exercise and no real effort to help people apart from thinking more money to sub contractors will do it. So many individuals and businesses and groups including the plethora of tax free charities, are profiting off dysfunction. I don’t see real attempts to really help people long term from the state. There is too much emphasis on extreme cases (aka millions spent on a secure prison ward to house just 3 people), SIS with 2 agents on the terrorist and recidivist people who actually don’t need to be in NZ in the first place.
If they got rid of the foreign high needs people then they could use more resources to the local high needs and struggling people, who seem to be neglected.
Our government is importing poverty and dysfunctional people, and being lobbied to do so.
World wide money helping governments evade their responsibilities, as with Serco. Here is a bit of info I have gathered.
2016 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/serco-failure-wont-end-privatisation-govt/6BN455WNV3TSS64XZ6XICNWWSU/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serco 1929 services to rca records
1985 bought out changed etc.
SaveNZ. “ Our government is importing poverty and dysfunctional people, and being lobbied to do so.” Correct, and you have articulated this well previously. Some of them are my neighbours, and they’re disconcertingly cocky about it too.
But this is policy which predates the Labour government, and given a mighty boost by Bill English and his disgraceful wholesale demonising of our young men, without offering any substantive evidence, or without asking “ If this is so, then why is it so ? “. One must assume that it suited him not to.
Labour needs to see past this, and to stop wasting our own people.
I agree this issue predates the Labour led governments, but somehow Labour and the Greens seem to be doing exactly the same poor solutions as the Natz.
And today’s announcement that everyone will have to pay 2% extra for unemployment insurance. Let’s look at what this really means – when some liquor baron is out there exploiting workers and laying them off, all’s well because he/she is subsidised by decent employers? How about some personal responsibility for the bad employers constantly laying people off who have to pay each time, so they are disincentivized to do it. NOPE, woke, neoliberals are determined to make the good subsidise the bad eggs (and encourage and support the bad behaviour) NOT put in measures to make them pay for their decision instead.
Just like their tenancy disaster policies leading to big shortages and helping the scum instead of everyone else who has to pay.
“We despise these Kainga Ora bullies who attack other state tenants but we have an obligation to find them housing because the alternative is far worse”
The obvious alternative is to throw them in jail permanently and that seems like much preferable alternative.
Okay, something must be done, doing nothing is not an option.
Quite specifically, from what has been in the news about the Whangarei tenants, what would you do, what would you have done for that situation?
Evict. Because otherwise the good people, the ones this shit abuse have to quit instead and find another home. Tell me that is right?
They are sitting there knowing they can behave as badly as they like and Kaianga Ora won’t do a thing and for people like that, that is pure encouragement. That entitles them to do whatever they want.
Some people only learn anything the hardest way.
Poto Williams was parachuted into Christchurch East electorate from South Auckland by the Labour big wigs…over -riding the local East Christchurch Labour committee, why, because she toes the line always…she deserves all the ill will directed towards her.
As for the Kainga Ora problem tenants, simply transfer them into properties next to Cabinet Ministers homes, use Airbnb, private rentals, Kainga Ora properties, motels/hotels…watch how quick they (problem tenants) will be homeless.
nice idea nathan
Cool
Lay off Couch Poto. She’s the best minister they’ve got.
Two separate lots of antisocial private tenants in a nearby rental property, made my life close to hell. One, amongst other things, packed the house with relatives and played loud drum music from a music system placed on their windowsill. The other was a disc jockey who practised whenever he felt like it, and I called the police when he threatened me.
I repeatedly approached the landlord, a Chinese property developer, and that property is now, thanks to the owner, occupied by ok tenants. I am grateful to the owner, especially when the other nearby owners are racist, and not particularly pleasant to him.If he could achieve this, then Housing New Zealand should be able to. The local problem property’s tenants know that they will get booted out if they misbehave. City Council Noise Control and their processes are pretty abysmal, and are too subjective, and tenants know how evade them.
Being low income, or a gang member, shouldn’t be license to wreck other people’s lives and nor should government policy or my taxes enable this. Boot the buggers out.
Have concrete bunkers for the nasties to live in. If they can keep the place tidy (and not kick any doors in), coat the place with spaghetti or worse, for six months, they can apply for a better place in a preferred location.
Also the services can work with them and help them with goal setting and achieving. Gradually the problem would level out. It has been growing for decades and the government under neolib has let down the mass of the people in NZ while enabling the greedy and self-advancing.
Greywarbler. Your previous point about all people having talents was a very pertinent and good one.
One blazing hot day, locked out of my car in Petone, I sat on the edge of the footpath outside a shop-front accountancy office, feeling ill, waiting for the Automobile Assoc to arrive.
Numerous persons passed me by. Then one person stopped, a scruffy looking bedraggled street person, who bent down and asked me if I was okay. “ Respectable” looking persons just walked on by. One oddball expressed concern.
The problem of persons disabled with mental health issues may emanate from the closing of the psychiatric hospitals which did provide a safe haven for those who needed one, and who wittingly or unwittingly, cause damage in the community, which theoretically now cares for them.
Setting up govt or quasi-govt organisations and giving them all Maori names has done little to address major societal problems, and may have exacerbated some of them.
Applewood I so agree with you. Role modelling is I think big in socialisation – you echo what you are brought up with – what is around you all day.
For instance I might smile at someone in the street, I’m feeling good and pass that on, they look back and say ‘ What you grinning at monkey’. I don’t smile again in that area, or say good morning to the grumpy people in the shops, and the attitude spreads like a bad smell. Things are difficult, but they can be quickly made worse with a lack of general graciousness, cordiality.
Very unfortunately this along with misplaced middle class guilt, ignorance and arrogance is now casting this government into a very poor light in respect of law and order. Their reputation in this area will be terrible vibe the next election.
People don’t feel safe with the violence and gun crime and Labours softly softly on gangs. This state housing fiasco is just another reminder!
Never a truer word XRAY. Kainga Ora like most Government Depts are a farce, but this is a law and order matter ranging from noise violence and property damage. Limp Costa and loser Labour are soft. It’s pathetic. How many times will our christian mate Brian T get to rock up to the local cop shop for a telling off after breaking bale conditions. It’s Joe and Jane average citizen thats gets a rough deal in this country while all scum are victims to be looked after and nurtured at the expense of the rest. Maybe I’m just having a bad day but I’m sick of how weak and useless our authorities are.
Maybe we sdhould run ‘victim’ workshops so that ordinary citizens know how to press the buttons that the gummint set up for us pidgins. How can we bend the psychology our way. Anyone know a trick-cyclist who thinks in a way that is practical but also right-minded?
There is scum everywhere in our country not just sitting in Kainga Ora flats having lived in a State housing corporation flat they (HNZ) didn’t care when they allocated me and my 18 month old daughter a flat next to the mongrel mob. When I turned it down they stood me down for longer saying they considered it to be adequate that is how they treated many of us Maori people in the 1980s, they were racist as fuck. And I also got offered a dump of a flat in Cannon Creek despite having no whanau living there. And if you were Maori you never got a nice state house in a nice area (like Central Lower Hutt) these were reserved for pakeha only. And it didn’t matter whether it was a labour or national government as their state employees were racist as fuck and practised nepotism how do you think many of the pakeha got there good safe jobs.
It’s these type of issues that lose elections into the second and third terms of governments. If you can’t point to anything that has improved eventually people seek alternatives.
Bit-by-bit, people-by-people this government is losing support. Arguments here and in the media by the feckless ‘tis but a scratch’ mask the gradual but sustained movement from centre-left to centre-right.
Expect the flip over to occur mid-next year with or without Collins in charge of National and then the panic sets in. The clicker is thanks to Robertson and Orr Labour can’t spend their way out of the death spiral.
And now there are 25,000 homeless people living in motels at a cost of more than $1m per day! And it’s a debt that they can’t afford to pay back!
So what has improved for them and the 240,000 children living in poverty still under labour?
Pot calling the kettle ‘Black’.
Good on you Denny except I would add thing have got worse under this Jacinda Ardern led Labour Government.
Ae John. They really ‘Hate’ their past, ie, Roger Douglas and the effect their Neoliberal program has had on society.
These people are them. They made these people.
‘They are us!’ as Jacinda likes to say. Eh?
I work across from a motel rented by the Government for many feckless people. It’s hard to concentrate when there are weekly brawls, kids who should be in school wondering around without shirts spitting on the ground and eyeballing clients, gas fittings stolen for our building, female colleagues scared to go outside, etc. I’ve called the police on several occasions about male on female violence and was told by dispatches that things have being getting progressively worse over the last four years. Rights come with responsibilities and under this Government there appear to be no requirement for responsibilities. It’s human nature to take advantage of situations and that is what is happening. It’s depressing to say the least.
On the money Ben
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Oh hello are you all still here pontificating about 4 years of neglect, plus 9 years of neglect and by all accounts another 2 years of neglect followed by another 3 years of neglect. It’s all getting a bit repetitive.
Wheres Bert, I miss him like haemorrhoids.
Claro que si Pedro. Jesus Cristo. ¿¿¿Nunca he entendido cómo puede ser a la vez somnoliento Y una amenaza al mismo tiempo??? Eso no tiene ningún sentido.
Hang on soldier, its 1984 you want to put the malaise down to,- 1984. When the 4th Labour govt came to power with its Finance Minister Roger Douglas. The rot set in right there and has been for 36 years of successive neo liberal governance.
There’s your rot and muck right there.
What’s needed is a solution. No government, inspite of generations of promises, has dented this trend. Once the neo-liberal economics dogma set in (which requires high unemployment to keep wages low) people lost their place and standing in society the trend accelerated. We payed people to do nothing; we all know what idle hands do so we should not be surprised at the result.
It’s too late. The wound is already septic. Law, order, police minister Potato Williams and Andrew Cost’ya will become beautiful election gifts for National. If I was in charge of National’s campaign, I’d win the election just on emotive issues like that.
I love how with you Kraut everything will bring dieback this Government. You predict it every week yet it never happens.
Wait for the election
The election will come and shortly after that all the ills of society will be righted.
To rephrase the question I asked earlier: Collins is the PM, Seymour the Deputy, that situation in Whangarei, what are they going to do tomorrow? The hordes living in motels? What would C&S be doing tomorrow?
When the motel strategy was started Collins was in Cabinet so I assume she agreed with it.
Need to promise more to the media that what Labour are paying to get any traction though.
Our media are independent and totally unbiased. You can hear in the questions at the 1pm COVID show.
back in the 60s in the UK many were glad to get out of the slums they lived in and into council houses and flats (the appalling build quality of some high rises/complexes is something our govt should eye but won’t)
back then there were caretakers who supervised the blocks(mostly ww2 vets) when these were abolished to cut costs the rot set in behavior wise..yes it was paternalistic and the standards applied were ‘middle class’ but you didn’t get wheeless cars on lawns or all night parties…of course other social problems have exacerbated the problems, sink estates, intergenerational engineered unemployment etc..
At the end of the day social housing is a state asset you are loaned, it’s up to you not to actually wreak the joint.
I’m a firm believer in state housing and christ knows we need a shitload but reasonable behavior needs to be rewarded and not bad behavior excused and condoned.
as for the ‘but the children’ line, it’s not the state punishing the kids but their own parents…the punishment for swinish behavior is finding a private rental…and good luck with that.
Don’t they still have those slum estates in the UK. Soon we might have some like that with the new building proposals to build three storeys high. Our state housing slums are nothing compared to the estates for the poor in the UK. Classism here inherited from mother England.
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yup and that’s what my post decries but also some including high rises in liverpool and ‘the wall’ in sheffield have been converted into very expensive yuppie flats, so the actual buildings weren’t that bad.
(OF COURSE THE QUALITY OF SOME WAS DIABOLICAL, light touch regulation and both parties in a numbers pissing contest led to quality dropping)
and yes there are some right shit pits in the UK but try intergenerational poverty and unemployment coupled with official neglect and managed decline and see what you get…oh my bad that’s exactly what we’re doing
back in the 60s in the UK many were glad to get out of the slums they lived in and into council houses and flats (the appalling build quality of some high rises/complexes is something our govt should eye but won’t)
back then there were caretakers who supervised the blocks(mostly ww2 vets) when these were abolished to cut costs the rot set in behavior wise..yes it was paternalistic and the standards applied were ‘middle class’ but you didn’t get wheeless cars on lawns or all night parties…of course other social problems have exacerbated the problems, sink estates, intergenerational engineered unemployment etc..
At the end of the day social housing is a state asset you are loaned, it’s up to you not to actually wreak the joint.
I’m a firm believer in state housing and christ knows we need a shitload but reasonable behavior needs to be rewarded and not bad behavior excused and condoned.
as for the ‘but the children’ line, it’s not the state punishing the kids but their own parents…the punishment for swinish behavior is finding a private rental…and good luck with that.
I don’t think things have got worse they just haven’t got better and currently the main opposition that’s still national left a mess and covid has exacerbated that mess. National equals rising inequalities we don’t need this and Act equal more of national only more extreme and mean.
‘A political gift National simply can’t touch…’
Doesn’t mean Seymour or Winnie won’t wade in to this godawful mess.
I can see the window dressing now
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote, and I paraphrase.
“Criminals are the product of society. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn
The scum tenants you refer to are merely more disadvantaged you and me’s.
oh really o’reilly many grow up in depravation and don’t behave like assholes….wonder why, same conditions different outcome mmmmmm…. makes y’think dunnit.
Maybe right thinking citizens need to band together & protect their communities, US style.
Maybe we should just build more houses and pay people realistic wages to buy ’em. That’d be kinda’ cool don’t you think?
Nah, someone needs to take out the trash. Society would would be better with less scum in it.
ohhh bob I can feel a ‘Taxidriver’ speech coming
Why people are so upset about this I just don’t know.
When you have a government that can’t build houses and have recently declined to assist a number of developers with large developments ready to go in South Auckland. Just this week a developer was declined by Kainga Ora to build 5000 houses, another one in Drury for another 5000 houses as well as another one further out in Parata for 3,000!
If only these fuck wit pollys could join the dots! Building these houses creates jobs, sales etc … and homes for first-time buyers and they will then move from their rentals freeing them up for the 25,000+ living in unaffordable motels!!
All the government will have to do to assist is become a bulk buyer of materials on the global market, becoming a partner in all this!
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