New Roy Morgan Poll – Labour hold on despite lockdown

1. Sadly most people think lockdown is necessary thus high polls for Labour,. Where they go wrong is letting so many concessions out to the neoliberals and woke, who then spread Delta and thus make it worse for everybody following the rules as best they can when rich listers and mobsters don’t have to play by the rules like everybody else.

   So far most people in NZ with Covid are alive and recover, but if Delta gets in, and floods the hospitals systems, and people’s loved ones don’t get quality hospital care, their will not be the same support for Labeen.

   That is the rights biggest change of changing the government and why they are so keen to open the borders and undermine MIQ.

   • the reason they got sewers and public health in the UK back in the day was the realisation that typhoid kills the rich too. Something the neo liberals don’t really understand yup you can bend, evade and ignore the rules the proles have to obey, the virus doesn’t care it’s coming for your kids and your granny with every exception that has a blind eye turned to it….hence our current schmozzle.

2. Explains Labour sucking up to crusha in the rebirthing of the Housing MKII Building project.
   2023s coalition government.
   More to come …

   • Damn that’s shallow!! This comment says way too much about you, and adds nothing to the debate.. Why do you bother? BTW, that doesn’t go lust for you. Since being trapped back here, it’s been eye opening to see just how self absorbed and juvenile political “debate” has descended to here. It’s never been that useful, but what I’ve seen since being back is just embarrassing… Is it something in the water? That wouldn’t surprise me considering what the Key government was getting away with in front of peoples eyes…

     • Get fucked steph. How’s that? Are we due another rant from you?
       Go easy on the trigger because you might just shoot yourself in the foot.

3. Labour’s popularity will drop further. If the virus gets more of a foothold, people start dying and hospitals fill, Ardern/Labour will get the blame.

   The ‘freedom fighters’ who want to do their own thing will be bitten on the arse but of course instead of blaming themselves and the lunatic leaders, they’ll be blaming the government.

   • that’s the downside of being a creature of PR, sad fact is I can’t see anyone even remotely competent to walk and chew gum at the same time on the LINO benches

4. Jacinda’s response in 2020 was gold standard and she was rewarded accordingly.

   But late 2020 Delta was making itself known and what it did to India and other countries did not seem to register with her or her government as 2021 progressed. We will never be told just how Delta got in but the main suspect is Aussie holiday makers rushing back in, inexplicably without isolation, approved by her and her government, after NSW became infected. Auckland was doomed as it always was at the forefront of risk.

   Plan A for Covid A was all they had and it failed and some poor decision making and lack of planning has cost Auckland dearly. The two policy approach of ellimination for everywhere but Auckland has severed Auckland from the “team of 5 million”. The same adulation for Jacinda this time around in Auckland at least has gone. One is only as good as their last failure.

   Apart from flaky Roy Morgan polls, the PM’s Instagram followers, which is vast, have gone from unquestioning supporters in June July to slowly turning on her in Auckland, because life is getting decidedly horrible for people trapped in Aucklands lockdown. That should worry her. That is probably a better guide to how she and her government will go in the next few months.

   Every day of this lockdown continuing in Auckland is nothing but corrosive to her and her government!

   • There was Helen Clark’s UN covid infected mate they bent the rules to bring in, that possible route of entry is political dynamite.
     Strangely they haven’t been able to find the answer.

     • “If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”— George Washington

5. That is a massive drop since the 2020 election. But as you said, Ardern will most likely romp home in 2023. She won’t achieve much in that term, but who cares about achieving for our most vulnerable brothers and sisters eh. Let’s do this!

6. It won’t be covid that gets this government it will be traditional issues such as housing, law and order, health and the economy (stupid). It is appearing that the world will (by and large) move on from covid in Q1/Q2 2022 and if such post covid it is still 15-18 months to Oct 23.

   The covid political landscape has proven the middle as a voting block is short term in it’s political environment therein lies the issue for the government. It likely won’t be able to fall back on the we saved 80,000 lives argument – it will have to come up for a compelling argument on the ‘meat and potatoes’ issues.

   Their track record on these ain’t flash and covid has only deteriorated the seeping wounds of many of these issues. 39% and dropping ain’t a position of strength and outside of another emergency the government and PM will have to focus and deliver on issues they have proven incapable of before and this time with a highly leveraged balance sheet.

   • No Frank the world will not be moving on from Covid before the next election.The virus mutates continually. And thanks to fuckwits like Boris we now have another strain. There will be more rest assured. Covid ain’t going nowhere for a long long time.It will be with us for at least 5 years quite likely more unless big pharma is forced to remove the patents and allow the poor more populous nations to vaccinate with mRNA vaccines for no cost.

     • I think it’s more likely that it’ll be here forever and that the rest of the world will move on (it already has more or less).

       All the while, we can carry on trying to be best in class and whatever else they’re thinking we should be.

       Fact is, as it spreads more people will die but many, many more will develop resistance naturally as we do to other nasties until we reach a balance and accept it like we accept the fact that meningitis, RSV, influenza, etc kill the old, the infirm, the obese and the unhealthy.

       Just like Sgt. Barnes said, “everybody gotta die sometime Red”

     • I disagree. Either

       A). Its new mutations mirror common influenza and get more virulent but less deadly; OR
       B). We get better at managing infections like we have with Aids.

       Remember Siouxsie’s British Chimera virus – didn’t happen. Relax – if the Blairite is, you can too

7. Down to a 6% gap, I wouldn’t be celebrating just yet.

   A 5 percent drop in Labour/green support in October is big. Thank/blame Labours mostly female voters it’s not bigger.
   Surely the greens aren’t 10%.

   • Oh yes the Greens will be getting a higher share of the vote as the younger generation of the schools strike for climate change come of age.
     Also the Greens are getting a lot of support for health reform as well they are getting massive complaints re health and the Meds debate.

     Meds and Health is the sleeping Giant of 2023.

     This site is only 3 months old and viewing numbers weekly have gone from 20,000 odd to 197,000+ .
     When 3 in 10 people know of at least 1 person paying full price for meds .
     When 7 out of 10 people do not think they will get the healthcare they need .

     People in the Medicines campaign arena HAVE ALREADY given up on Labour fixing the problem.
     The moment they took funding out of the Pharmac review we knew it would be a whitewash.

     So yes a 4 to 5% increase in the greens vote is easily possible when they have the only sensible answer to fixing the situation.
     Which is why I supported their remodel of ACC into a comprehensive medicare agency .

     • Rubbish. The gweens have been cancelled! By themselves!

       I did well in yesterday’s Melbourne Cup and I’m feeling like taking another bet that the gweens are well and truly dog tucker.
       Identity Politics killed them! Good and proper!
       Thank fuck for that.

   • The main factor has indeed been the women voters: National/ACT is 4% (+2%) ahead of Labour/Greens with men but gone from 34% behind with women to 19% behind – that’s quite a swing..

     • And the women’s support is for Labour, not the Greens – I’d like to see what the women’s support for Greens has been historically?

       On this poll, Greens’ support = 13.5% men; 8.5% women

       So have a lot of women been turned off the Greens because of their hard line on sex self ID? I have.

8. How on earth can a lame, lazy, bunch of no-hopers be on 10.5%! The Greens are an political joke — that no-one, except a few, find funny…
   Seriously, they have done f##k all for Kiwis over the last decade…apart from pissing off people

   • About 10% won’t get vaxed and about 10% believe that the Greens are an environmental party… I’ll let you come up with your own conclusions.

   • You are a hard lefty and you don’t like the direction the country is going – where else are you going to go. There is an element of that type of vote in Act’s swelling numbers as well.

     • The Greens Party are not left…they are there for themselves…not for Kiwis

       • Just Like National and ACT.

         • True, but the Greens believe their BS —while ACT/National not so much

       • too true they are the mythical ‘3rd way’ a look at the early days of ‘die greunen’ in germany is enlightening…..not saying the NZ greens are bucolic nazi dreamers
         (well not the nazi part anyway)but like ‘the woke’ they are not ‘left’ a descriptor we should all challenge at every oppertunity

9. The Daily Blog is rather like a blocked toilet at the moment–it needs industrial strength chemicals from the esteemed Editor to blast out the tory filth infesting the s-bend as illustrated above.

   • “tory filth infesting the s-bend”
     Would you be genuinely happy, Tiger Mountain, with no one to directly spew your belching sewer pipe of hate on? Ever thought of engaging with the issues instead of dehumanising people you disagree with. What’s next? Cockroaches, vermin? I recall a certain German leader using dehumanising language like that, didn’t turn out so good.

   • As the tide turns against the government, the truly blind turn on their fellow citizens.
     I was a life long Labour voter until last election.

   • Go the Greens!

     • Ditto!

     • Where to? Down the dunny??

   • Ahhhh Tiger Mountain, if you prefer the echo chamber of everyone agreeing that the Govt is doing well and St Jacinda will never have a bad word said about her…go and post on The Standard!
     Martyn is all for free speech, seems you are not?
     Kiwiblog has its lefty posters, then again David Farrer is also for free speech.

     • Yeah Right, insert Tui ad here! I’m Right on it’s own, is an eco chamber, unless you’re brave enough to reveal your real name?

   • Agreed — sadly, the toilet cleaning agent might clean out some much needed balance in NZ Government.

     • Well you certainly need it…shit for brains!

       • Get back on your blow up doll of Jacinda, Bert “the blowfly”

   • Be kind and show the intellectual maturity of Bomber and welcome alternative thought.

10. As usual the Greens will likely be polling too high, and NZFirst too low.

    Crusher is still widely hated. Whether a leadership change could bump Nat is an open question we might well see answered.

    We haven’t seen the end of this pandemic by a long shot, so there’s plenty of bleeding left to staunch yet – the cities seem to be Matrixing the COVID bullets, but the regions haven’t even begun to feel the squeeze yet. The fight over Three Waters has just begun. Then in broader terms the economic hangover of all this is incubating – two long years to let rampant inflation and unemployment bite. I’d be sweating if I were Labour – they need wins, and it’s hard to see where they might come from at this point. The cupboard is bare.

    • Crusher’s been very quiet lately. Bishop is doing all the talking. Omens?

11. @ MB. You write.
    “…this is a remarkable achievement for Labour & Jacinda’s leadership. ”
    Is it..?
    I think judith collins must also be given some of the credit.
    She, and her colleagues are so awful, so repugnant on every level, so greedy and so dangerously cornered now that she and her rats can only fight back with every dirty trick they’re hiding up the expensive shirt sleeves you and I paid for.
    This must be hard times for national and their need for the money of others.
    They must be down to their last farmer to manipulate and exploit? The national party are effectively running out of their last country blood boy. I thought collins looked a little peaky in the last photograph I saw of her on her all bought and paid for rnz website? She looked exactly how I imagine a vampire might look after a late morning in after a night of lean pickings.
    In these harsh and unrelenting times, thank God for judith, national and that snazzy rogernome scratching around in the dirt box that’s sad little ACT. They make labour positively gleam with confidence as they do an average job of a global fuck up.
    These times are no longer a-changing… They HAVE changed. This? This, is the new normal, but wait ? There’s more? It’s going to get worse!
    Global heating, plus a pandemic virus playing Russian Roulette with us, plus a looming financial crisis on a previously never seen before magnitude, plus a freaked out China trying a land-grab on, plus UFO’s! They’re everywhere! You couldn’t invent that shit!
    What to do?
    Write off AO/NZ’er mortgage debt to foreign banking interests. All of it. To every AO/NZ’er. Then ban those foreign banking interests from operating here.
    Re nationalise our taxes-paid-for infrastructure. All of it. Rail, air travel, electricity, communications, hospitals, dental, education, housing, inter island passenger shipping, roading, what have I missed?
    Go online. Say Gidday to the EU and ask ” Do you want to buy world first foods including sustainable and organically farmed meats, wools, fishes, fruits, wines, trees? You want trees? We got trees? You want a cow? How about milk and cheeses? The reason we ask is because two fold.
    Fold one. You British people? You’re fucked. Based on current climate models, you’re soon going to get the weather that Siberia currently enjoys.
    France? Right next door? Yep. You’ll be fucked too. Germany? Oh boy! The Scandi countries? Oh dear me.
    Fold Two. Even at the hobbled, indebted, bankster enslaved, demonised levels our farmers must work under we 52 thousand farmers of a population of 5 million AO/NZ’ers can still feed 40 million people. That gives AO/NZ’ers a surplus of 35 million people’s worth of food to sell annually? ( Or to eat!? Is that why there’s always a panic to buy toilet paper? )
    You’s up for that? We can ship it? We can fly it? We can ask Zorg up on the Transporter-Deck to beam it to you? Like we used to ? Remember those days? ( No. Not you dear Zorg. Before your time Sweetie.) Before the natzo’s were dreamed up by an Auckland cartel of money lenders and banksters?
    And you’ll get our foods cheap-as too because there’ll be no natzo’s standing on our farmers necks telling them how to do this and that while paying them the stipend they deigned to let past ( while syphoning off billions and billions over nearly one hundred years. Look it up!?) to be dominated by riche National Party freaks looking for the show that now no one can sell cheap tickets to anymore.
    Adern? The truth will set you free. Go on? We can take it.

    • if NZ becomes ‘paradise’ the us marines will land 10minutes later….now that’s a real threat.

12. Really the only reason Labour is holding on is because we don’t have a half decent alternative. But if too many Maori die from Delta in Auckland this will be bye bye to all but one Maori seat for Labour.
    As a person who has always been on the Maori roll I believe our people need to get of the general roll and get on the Maori roll so we can gain more seats and therefore have more power, cause we ain’t getting Tino Rangatiratanga. If Labour fail to deliver in housing, health and education we will see a huge shift with the majority of our people voting for the Maori Party and this time it will be much harder for Labour to regain these seats as trust will be somewhat diminished. I predicted the Maori party would win Waiariki due to the Whareroa Marae issue and that they would get enough party votes to bring in Debbie Ngawera Packer. I had whanau members who did not want to vote for Labour so instead of them not voting at all I encouraged them to vote for the Maori Party. I suppose if this comes to fruition we will see all the red necks in our country come our and say its time to get rid of the Maori seats cause they are racist. Yet it wasn’t Maori who created these seats it was the racist colonial government of the time to keep power and prevent us from out voting them. Underestimate our people at your own peril many of our people are very politically astute.

    • Not really ‘politically astute’ PA, otherwise the Maori Party would be well above 2 members.
      Plus after 70 odd years of blindly voting for Labour, where has that gotten Maori at grass roots level? (Not including the elite, who will always feather their nests…no matter which colour of skin or political affiliation they possess.)

      • The death of the Maori party was when they sided with National, true story!

        • Maori Party alive and well they hijacked Labour.

    • If too many Maori die from Delta in Auckland it will be bye bye to all but one Maori seat for Labour?
      Will it be bye bye for the mongrels like Brian Tamaki, those encouraging non-vaccination and those downplaying the seriousness of the virus?

      If too many Maori die from the virus in Tai Tokerau will it be bye bye to Kelvin Davis or bye bye to the religious and medical nutcases up there?

      (By the way, I have it that one dying is too many.)

    • I’ve been considering voting Maori (I am not Maori). Tbh I don’t have much knowledge of things Maori, but hate to see all the suffering of anyone oppressed at the hands of bullies. That’s all the powerful elite are, bullies. If voting Maori Party would truly assist our oppressed people of any colour, I’d do it and so would others. The truly oppressed of any colour should unite. We must keep NACT out and Labour/Green need a serious wake up call. We’re alive, but we’re suffering and effectively all slaves to the capitalist ponzi. I will be sure to read up on Maori Party policy before next election

      • Lol

13. All things considered that result is remarkable.

14. Now labour need to move towards treatment and personal management in the face of SARS Covi-19. If they can drive the message home, vaccines are a start and only the beginning of dealing with this crisis. I’m with Martin, labour walk home in 2023.

    One thing that I also think they need to do, is take the fear of the RNA vaccines out of the equation, and offer people an alternative. I’m liking the results of the Abdala vaccine, it is doing well with Delta. And alongside a treatment program, has helped curb the crisis in Venezuela. Time will tell if the same response will happen in Vietnam. Initial signs are looking good.

15. Why do so many people believe that National does much better with the economy. The only growth they ever got was through house prices driven by immigration they stimulated. They have no long term vision – no vision at all really apart from clickbait BS to try and win votes or discredit the government. Admittedly the last part is the role of the opposition, but the Nats and ACT have no real policy a-la-Donald-Trump !

16. People often think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, but in this case when you look over the fence all you see is poison and popinjay.
    That’s why Jacinda’s popularity is holding up.

17. Holding on? ore like losing support bro.
    Confidence in gov drops too. heckled in Northland. Good times!

18. It will be interesting if we have an evangelical Christian, middle-aged white male corporate background, Chris Luxton, as leader of the National party with his Pentecostal cult agenda team up with Seymour as his sidekick. Unfortunately, the message from God for the religious unvaccinated will not be a happy one but I suppose for those who due to covid death enter the pearl gates, they can go there safe in the belief that their soul is vaccinated against entry to hell. My feelings go out to the medical workers as mere mortals who will have to deal with this on earth.

19. This is why the Greens are rising ;
    They are the only party actually listening to what has to be fixed while labour sit in the same old same old neo liberal styled health model silo’s with every Health Minister since Annette King in 1999 taking an anti big Pharma / Pharmac attitude this is the result.

    READ IT AND WEEP.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/126858929/a-breakthrough-treatment-for-cystic-fibrosis-needs-funding-now?

20. I wouldnt want to be in the trenches with the sad old Tory hate-Jacinda boomers. The extreme right gun toting Act looneys are sharing Natz old men voters. There are no Tory Horis so the Maori party will never ever side with Natz. At last election I voted for Maori party with my electoral option to get more Maori in as Labour and Greens were shoo ins. My party vote went to NZF as L & G would romp in and MP no chance of 5%.
    At end of day the Roy Morgan poll is probably more realistic than the last election. But 2 years is a long time in politics and anything can happen.

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