90% Double Vax: Political Winners & Losers

1. “New Zealand 1 in 175, 607″…..so far.

   • US 1 in 451 …. so far

2. Martyn
   Looking at those vax numbers plummeting, Jacinda better get tough and make herself unpopular as we are now held back by the vaccine stragglers. We’ll will be asking for the first booster soon…just saying…hint hint.

   • Lol – watch for the back down in late Nov if the targets aren’t met. By that stage case numbers will be 350-400 per day

   • Yeah well I’d like Moderna as a booster and NZ isn’t getting any!

     • … yet

3. We need to protect the already protected by forcing the unprotected to take the same thing that didn’t protect the protected.

   • Encouragement for unvaxxed to vaccinate, not force

   • Maybe you should expand your information sources, Covid is widely referred to as the disease of the unvaccinated worldwide since the overwhelming majority of new cases are in unvaccinated people. Obviously, with a 90% or so efficiency there will be some vaccinated people who get sick but they don’t get as sick & require less care so it is still a better option.

   • feel free to murder yourself just don’t breath your pestilence on those who prefer the ‘personal freedom’ of living, y’know something with a bit more gravitas than…this guy on twatter wearing a white jacket, so he must be a doctor, right, says…..

4. Being dependant on single countries is also showing to be a folly! Even without a pandemic, natural disasters, political spats etc, can easily destroy western economies. Greed can be dangerous! Shortages of PPE and now magnesium can have big side effects when over 90% come from one location and the manufacturing supply chains died in the western world under neoliberalism.

   “The report warned that the current crisis was a “clear example of the risk the EU is taking by making its domestic economy dependent on Chinese imports”.

   Europe has grown almost entirely dependent on China for magnesium since Chinese dumping forced the closure of Europe’s remaining magnesium production plant in 2001.

   “Between 2000 and 2021, China’s magnesium production increased from 12 per cent of the global supply to 87 per cent, creating an effective international monopoly on a 1.2 million tonnes per annum market demand,” European Aluminium’s report said.”

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/chinese-magnesium-shortage-global-car-industry-to-grind-to-a-halt-within-weeks-amid-catastrophic-halt/M3DR3QXI6KLWAFOAR5TCO26SNQ/

   In NZ is spite of growing large amounts of trees, we sold off the forests and sold and shut down much of our wood processing plants, and now can’t get cheap wood, or any wood back into NZ in a product form to build houses and supply farms!

   Considering how much goes towards security and intelligence in the west, it seems that rather glaring element was overlooked in the gold rush of donations and lazy money to politicians to overlook these strategic risk as a disaster in one location (natural or otherwise), seems to be able to render significant harm to the west, as too many eggs in basket.

   • We have had some real dummies in NZ Government with regards to selling off our State Forests, we used to hear about the Wall of Wood and how we were going to handle it ? Easy just sell the land and forests for a pittance. A Forestry Contractor in Northland told me years ago the Government of the day sold forests in Northland for $1.00 per mature tree to Asian Interests, this would be less than the planting and crop maintenance cost ? He may have been feeding me Bull Shit ?

     • Can govt requisition / take back commercially owned land, like they can residential?

       • Start with the Bank of New Zealand, Telecom, NZ Rail and a host of other entities sold under the Neoliberal Agenda.

     • Clearly Chinese government understand that land is also very strategic, as China doesn’t allow the sale of Chinese land, in fact their own people can’t own it.

       I’m not against small amounts of foreign ownership but clearly this will eventually lead to complete inequality when other nationals and overseas business can literally buy up everything in NZ, (for a song) and our government’s answer is more taxes on the middle class living in NZ and earning peanuts while giving green lights to billionaires and overseas private (and state aka PRC) companies who can easily purchase NZ citizenship, land and assets here.

       It becomes an even bigger problem when individuals and entities don’t have to pay their worldwide taxes in NZ. In fact there seems to be plenty of foreign entities receiving NZ subsidies while paying little tax here.

       However asset ownership is not just about money, but about the inability to control NZ from within NZ for the benefit of local communities. Instead NZ, under neoliberalism encouraged loopholes such as the ease of gaining NZ residency and citizenship that masks massive inequality developing in NZ. No taxes will stop it as there is literally billions sloshing about in the world to be spent and NZ government have had their hands out for more than a decade now and turns a blind eye to people of poor character, money laundering and so forth. Anything is fine, as long as you have money to splash around for a few years (the generally disappears into a McMansion “the family home”) or another NZ favourite, is attracting criminals ok with terrorism, fraud, drug and ciggy smuggling, violence, labour exploitation and rape for the woke, virtue signalling)!

       Funny enough, less and less people are now ok with that vision of NZ!

   • China could collapse our Dairy Industry over night if it strategically wanted to. The NZ Housing Market is just another example of our Government allowing Auckland housing stock to be sold off to Asian House Farmers ?

5. Baldwin needs to be charged for the death on screen the other day, ultimately he was responsible for pulling the trigger and not checking the gun was loaded with live ammunition, quite simple really. Same rules apply to you and me when we are handling weapons IMHO. Same rules for Movie Stars and Joe Bloggs I would have thought.

   • I dont know what their laws are there, but here we would “treat every firearm as loaded”, and “always point firearm in a safe direction” “check your firing zone” -hard when on a movie set when you are required to point it at camera or other people (I think they normally aim off slightly even with blanks as a safety precaution).
     Not sure this is his fault, Baldwin has been a vocal critic of the NRA, who knows , maybe more training and familiarization might have actually helped him.

     • THERE SHOULD NEVER BE LIVE ROUNDS ON A FILM SET….hot and cold gun refers to weather it’s loaded with blanks or not, you can’t rely on actors being gun experts that’s why armourers are employed..for that precise purpose now if you employ scab and/or inexperienced crew that’s another matter

   • Plus he is executive producer, so holds ultimate responsibility anyway. Sad but true

   • have you ever been on a film set? well if not you don’t know what your talking about…. re- Armourers, ADs etc….

     Baldwin has responsability for employing scab non union labour working unskilled and dangerous crewmembers for extended hours whilst paying bargin basement rates….and he’s supposed to be a liberal…THAT’S THE STORY HERE.

     and before anyone crows about the NZ ‘INDUSTRY’ the only reason we have one is our labour standards in TV and movies have been appalling for years and years…our selling points are cheap/good quality crews….

     MEXICANS WITH CELLPHONES ANYONE?

     • Yes there is certainly irony in Baldwins SJW leanings, let alone the anti gun stuff yet also being a producer on a set with what sounds like multiple employment issues.
       I see team Trump have sunk to a new low making tee shirts mocking the killing.

       Hard to know how common some of those employment issues are on set, I certainly don’t assume what is filtered back to us through the media is the whole truth.

       I still feel sorry for the guy, how would you deal with accidentally killing someone?

       • T shirts mocking the killing, that is so far immoral its almost impossible to believe until you used the words ” team Trump”.

         • Yes God help us if our politics gets that partisan and depraved.

   • hong you clearly know nowt about how film sets work….untarained cheap non union crew was the issue but hey don’t let the facts get in the way of ‘owning the libtard’

6. I have decided to take an another approach to anti-vaxxers, and there are 5 of them in my whanau.
   There has been a shit load of fight back from anti-vaxxers and it’s going to get a lot worse when AV restrictions start looming into the immediate future, and step up again when they start to take effect. A shit show is on the way and I doubt very much the AV will back down.

   The Vaccine Passport is a step to far. The AV will be locked out of society for not getting the jab, and that is wrong IMHO. We 2 jabbers have the protection we craved for, let them be. It is not the AV fault that Jacinda has caved to business pressure and we now have to “open up”. Or more correctly “let it rip”. We are heading to the bottom of the best response list when we open up.

   So, I now have a new respect for AV and anybody else who are Slow/No jab. Take your sweet time, no hurry! With a bit of luck the 90% will never be reached, that’s definitely a possibility, and there will be NO opening up. Elimination was and still is the best option.

   • I disagree with a lot of what you say here, although I agree Vaccine Passports is a step way too far. However…

     You’re completely wrong this is just about anti-vaxxers. I’m double vaxxed and I’ve just about had enough of the shit rammed down our throats and the rampant disproportionately displayed. I’m one of those boring “if you don’t stick up for human rights for those you don’t like, you don’t deserve them yourself”. But I’m also just horrified at the level of acquiescence to what is essentially a Soviet Union playbook, however we’ll intentioned it may be.

     So I’m probably not gonna get a Vaccine Passport despite being double vaxxed. I’ll boycott businesses that use them and encourage others to do so. It’ll make life harder but I realise clearly which is the right side when the pitchfork mob come along. There are many others like me.

     • Gordon you may have missed my point that Elimination can hopefully be restored with the help of AV by stopping the 90% threshold being achieved by unintended consequence obviously. Dreaming , I know but one can but hope. Fuck the capitalists.

     • The blade of dogmatic libertarianism cuts both ways, and it sounds as if you’d like to have your cake and eat it too. Discrimination is a choice as well, is it not? Why is your employer’s right to not employ you for reasonable health and safety reasons (or any other…) any less valid than your choice to not be vaccinated?

       You and the antivaxxers are hoisting yourselves on your own petard with an incoherent, and logically self-defeating argument – and people will wonder why they aren’t taken very seriously … Go then – start your own sub-society with the other True Believers, with Blackjack and hookers if you want. See if anyone cares. You’ll all come crawling back when you realize that your hill wasn’t worth dying on (for many quite literally).

       • There’s nothing illogical here except the ridiculous obsession with vaccination for Covid-19. I get it – it helps serious illness and death…

         ..which happen every day from people choosing bad health and life choices. The MoH estimate around 13 people die per day from smoking, for example.

         Banning people who smoke from society would be great – they’d all stop and see the light! Same for obesity and heart disease with stopping alcohol drinking and forcing exercise.

         In case you haven’t noticed, Government steps in every day to stop private companies from operating terrible and discriminationatory decisions on employees and customers. I thought we were on a Left wing site supporting the workers! Why are you the big defender of employer rights now! The inconsistency of the Healthocracy-Left now in favour of business rights is hilariously inconsistent.

         When all our human activities now take place on private platforms (businesses) with less and less genuinely public space, the argument ‘your business your decision’ is weaker than milk tea. Power, whoever located, must be accountable.

         I look forward to eternal vaccine top-ups to keep your Level One Citizenship Class in effect. I’m sure the extra 5-7% vaccination rate achieved was worth it.

         • Gordon – you’re well aware you’re making false equivalence here. Stop the anti vaxx lies and conspiracies. That’s what they are. It’s utter misinformation and bullshit. Go for a walk tomorrow and have a device free day.

       • Put them all on an offshore island and send them shipments of peanuts as required for pea brains.

       • I’m double vaxxed and ready to face the world. I detest the AV for there stupid ignorance. But, as a strong believer of “it is what it is” so we need to deal with it in a kiwi way. Kiwi’s are not SS Stormtroopers, lets collectively deal with it and stay with restrictions for EVERYBODY. The Vaccine Passport sniffs of snobbery and elitism that will make our country devided. Again the poor and disadvantaged will be forced to comply or else no life. There’s still a bit of Gypsy in me and I’d much rather face all this together. Not devided.

     • Im in that boat as well, be damned if im going to go along with wilfully ostracizing 3-4 hundered thousand people plus their kids from society.

       Already a black market is emerging and it will grow quickly, haircuts, Dinner parties, all sorts really.

       It’s fucking daft.

   • Green Bus. While there is no denying that anti-vaxxers are a pain in the proverbial. Forget about them and concentrate on getting the under 12’s vaccinated. They are vulnerable and deserve to be sorted out promptly. The only reason this government is getting shitty with the anti-vaxxers is because they are shitting themselves the hospitals will not be able to cope with the rise of admissions. They are punishing the anti-vaxxers by denying them any reasonable sort of freedom because of their own mis-management of the Health system. This is all successive governments. Education too is neglected. Mouldy classrooms not fit to house pigs let alone our kids. Its shameful. Forget the anti-vaxxers, their numbers now are not going to make much of a difference and you are not going to change their minds just make the angry and another job for our police to handle as if they do not have enough on their plates – and they are underfunded too. Happy days ahead sarc.

     • Agree WK, it’s tough love, simple as that

       • Yep. Nothing wrong with tough love. There are too many fully grown children out there.

     • SPOT ON KATE

7. Re COVID NZ would be a Basket Case if National & ACT had been in power during this COVID Pandemic, even Jacinda and Labour have not managed this particularly well with rushing to open up Bubbles with Australia and poor Border Control with new arrivals bringing the virus into NZ.

8. Loser: socially inclusive, coherent thought patterns.
   When you isolate people from real, living, breathing society, feed ‘em MacDonalds and Social media filth, stands to reason you don’t get the crème de la cream of ideas and thinking coming through the wires…
   We may have needed those national sports matches to common connect and lower vitriol more than we think, and some parts of society more than others I’d wager.
   Lockdowns to hit a vax target are a method and methods have broader socioeconomic consequences.
   And no, the bloke I buy my veges off at Otara is not a death cult capitalist, nor my barber.

9. But Jacinda’s list of failed Crisis has a longer tail than that of Covid Martyn.

   Let the NZ Blunder Games begin!
   December 1st!

10. My small community is one of the least vaxxed in NZ.So far there is tolerance, after all , the AVs are also our friends, work colleagues, neighbours and for some even children .Double vaccination for the over 65s is close to 90%, but round 57% in total
    It will only take a few covid deaths to really turn the tide.The tolerance will diminish and I wouldn’t be surprised if some AVs waver and get the vaccine , when it becomes personal.as we are all pretty connected
    There is still some lack of belief in covid , this will change , unfortunately when a few deaths make it real.
    And by the way ,I staunchly resisted the lab leak theory, thinking it was geo political shenanigans.Martyn was right .Sorry about that Martyn
    Now it seems there was a cover up.With Peter Dascak, president of the Eco Health Alliance which was heavily involved in gain of function research at Wuhan, also a member of the WHO team sent to investigate the Wuhan lab
    Zero Hedge fleshes out the details
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ecohealth-throws-fauci-under-bus-over-wuhan-gain-function-report-researcher-claims

    • Still dubious about this whole COVID thing and not sure on the LAB LEAK THEORY however the Chinese have not been particularly honest with us on the COVID OUTBREAK. However decided to take the risk and get double jabbed as it appears you are less likely to become a statistic and less likely to be a spreader.

      • Interesting article on the Lab Leak Theory

        https://www.newsweek.com/peter-daszak-u-s-funds-wuhan-institute-virology-aided-cover-faces-calls-quit-ecohealth-alliance-1636103

      • was the UK govt more honest on death totals – think aged care, the US and others where equally disingenuous, govts lie, it’s what they exist for, ‘prole management’.

11. Turns out when you preach identity politics and turn the population against itself on the grounds of race, gender, sexuality and age, then citizens are naturally going to analyze any threat to themselves along the same lines.
    This upcoming rupture of society is 100% the governments doing.
    Identity politics is cancer.

12. Grant Robertson this morning said “We are all in this together” in regard to the lives of the vaccinated being held up by the unvaccinated. Which is merely a rhetorical claim from a highly successful politician.

    We are not ‘in this together’.
    The vaccinated do not want to be ‘in this together’ with the stupid people who don’t get vaccinated. unfortunately, this is going to get ugly because of the lower vaccination rates for Maori that will be blamed.

    • Funny I didn’t see much of this “we’re all in together” last year while many private employees and businesses were taking wage and salary cuts, whilst the public sector took full paid lockdown holidays?

      • You go into private practice for a reason. But then you want public handouts, go figure?

13. It is one thing for people to DECIDE not to be vaccinated and another NOT to be given the opportunity.

    What’s stopping under 12’s being vaccinated, as abroad? Especially when overseas experience has shown it will be rampant amongst our children. The Government will need to decide early on whether they are will to sacrifice them on the altar of incompetence. Once the media becomes full of cases of grieving families, who weren’t allowed to vaccinate their kids when Covid was permitted to spread, all hell will break loose.

    • Still in approval phase USA as I understand, very close though, a few hoops to jump through and the 5 – 12s will be underway. I expect NZ will follow very very quickly after that

    • Moderna trials of 6-11 year olds are impressive. The young produce 1and 1/2 times more antibodies at a faster rate than adults. Yes we need a vaccination program for the young ASAP

14. You forgot “The Forgotten Waikato”.

15. Thing is she’s just cut off 300000-400000 people from society. Thats a fucking disaster and then given the vaxxed a stick to beat them with.

    Alongside the disaster which is housing this will scar NZ society deeply and irreparably.

16. Yes agree Gordon I am also double vaccinated but I don’t sign in to cafes etc I know exactly where I go cause only go to very few places. I am creature of habit and I am very private and I purchase using eftpos as a payment so I can track my whereabouts easily. If our government can implement vaccine passport then they should also be able to give the data to Whanau Ora who are asking for it to reach the hard to reach Maori who may not be registered with Whanau Ora as this group probably only go a doctor when they are extremely ill often when its too late. Citing privacy as the reason for not giving out this data is bullshit when our privacy is being and has been eroded due to this pandemic as it would be with an act of terrorism or a war. Privacy can and is often evoked when these types of circumstances arise and when acting in the best interest and safety of all NZers. If people are reluctant to get vaccinated we need to respect their choices no matter what but put measures in place to best deal with any issues.

17. Is identifying winners and losers a reflection of a blame game? is it comparable with facts?

    Four months ago an isolated NZ enjoyed Covid free status.
    The two most significant factors in the loss of this status were

    i) The trans Tasman bubble
    ii) The decision to drop Auckland’s L4 status to L3 apparently against most of the public health-expert advice, ( ‘give Auckland picnics’ – which rather trivialises it).

    • Go Hard or Go Home is the call at many a party. Well, Jacinda has just slunk off out the back door at 8.30.
      Go Soft and Cave In to business pressure is now Labour’s Covid response. When the toll bell rings will Jacinda l flee or will she Go Hard?

      • LOL. Did you expect something different. This was never about health and all about politics. When the game changes so does the politics.

        • It’s very disturbing Frank, that I possibly might agree with you on this one.
          Down the toilet for the lot of us.

          • LOL.

      • She’s going hard and just in time, with tough love. Suck it up everyone. The future is grim and there will be pain, unfortunately. Get behind the effort and support our people to prepare

        • Prepare for what? We NZ are in for a hiding. No way our MoH can cope with “let it rip”. The shitstorm in England is where we are headed. Enjoy. Elimanation is and was the best option, not business as usual. Money is not God, the people of Aotearoa want more than giving up, it’s not in our DNA.

          • I agree with you GreenBus. Prepare for the inevitable shit storm is what I was saying

    • You do know that the bubble was closed when the outbreak occurred?

      This has nothing to do with the bubble and everything to do with a leaky, mismanaged border. Hell we still don’t know who patient zero is and how they got infected.

      Stop trying to blame business – this is all on the government.

      • Actually Frank, with your many repulsive and gleeful comments at the destruction this pandemic causes, you’re incorrect, as always.

        Yep leaky border. But it’s Delta. An R9 rate when it hits. This is on the pandemic.

        You seem incapable of any empathy. Classic right libertarian. Taking joy in other people’s misery. I know I’m wasting my breath/typing/time.

        • Was the bubble closed at the time of the outbreak not Dazza? Auckland is in a prolonged lockdown because of poor border/MIQ controls. As such this is 100% on the government.

          • Bullshit. The bubble weakened everything, but you righties don’t want to accept responsibility.

18. Stand for Big Pharm and apartheid, treat unvaccinated Neve Ardern as a second class citizen now!

    • Really? So lame Ethan. What do you to achieve with that?

      • Woke comments are just radical far right mantra, nothing more, nothing less.

    • Yeah, because three year olds are currently eligible for the vaccine…

19. So the inevitable happened to me, sooner than I might have hoped – I got COVID. I got COVID from an unvaxed friend who came to me for help. I am fully vaccinated. Other than a couple days of mild lethargy and fever, and a loss of appetite, I feel absolutely fine on day 5 – expecting a clean test sometime soon and getting back to my life; however my friend has the full gamut of severe symptoms, such as nausea, abdominal pain, headaches, painful throaty cough, high fevers, cold sweats, painful tenderness – with no signs of abating soon. This a healthy, young person. That’s the reality that many people are going to have to grapple with sooner rather than later. Don’t poke the wasp’s nest with a stick – mitigation of this is not tyranny, it’s wisdom.

    My frustration with anti-vaxers, and especially this person, doesn’t mean I’ve lost my compassion and empathy – when I beat the drums for ‘government tyranny’ (of a government I am certainly no fan of, who I think has made many errors of judgement and competence) it comes from that place. I’m worried about my sick friend now, I’m worried about whether they may suffer lasting consequences for their decisions and actions – there’s no need for an ‘I told you so’ here, that is now a given.

    We have had the unusual luxury of being able to sit here in our Smug Hermit Kingdom, observing the reality of the bedlam outside our walls, and drawing the appropriate conclusions – that many here in their arrogant privilege are proving to be unwilling to do that much is an indictment of their intelligence, and moral fiber. Their protests to the contrary are the pathetic, screeching tantrums of spoiled toddlers – not the reasoned philosophizing of rational adults. I am proud of my city for reaching such high vaccination rates, and we are beginning to see the real effects of that in static and even declining hospitalizations even as the spread accelerates. You will never again see this city so united about anything, probably – it is about time the lagging regions got the memo. COVID’s coming, get the fucking jab before it’s too late.

    • Applause!

    • Really good read.

      mitigation of this is not tyranny, it’s wisdom
      Exactly!

    • Barly, anyone who expected perfection is on the wrong planet. I am just grateful our government was able to keep enough of us onside to get us to where we are; it certainly would not have happened under anyother PM’s leadership.

      • They’ve done enough – just, maybe. We’ll see.

        But I wanna give a shout-out to Norway and Spain, for helping us bridge the gap in our vaccine rollout at the critical moment. And also, most importantly, my fellow JAFAs (in the vast and overwhelming majority), who really carried the ball for NZ and the government, took the big hits, had our scrotums rucked open like Buck and are still limping around, abiding. We’re bloody exhausted, and just need the rest of NZ to take the ball and put it over the line.

        I mean, do rugby metaphors work better than and academic finger-wagging from the ivory towers? Maybe? Don’t be pussies, get vaccinated.

        • Barly, I am totally mystified as to how and why Norway and Spain suddenly found they had masses of spare doses of the vaccine that has been in short supply worldwide. Were they stockpiling it and for what reason.

    • Just don’t tell Off White or I’m Right about real life scenarios.

      • Oh, but we must Bert. Keeping in real n all 😉

      • Yo y’all. Nothing like reality to give folks a wake up call, whatever political colour

20. Why is ANY top quality data about anything other than Pziser blocked on this site?
    I used to come here for the truth that the media wouldn’ tell me.

21. No vaccine for me and possibly no job in the future but thank goodness for welfare, cheers fellas!

    • Don’t worry, you’re not alone on this – I am double vaxxed but will not be acceding to a requirement to “show my papers” to undertake daily activity. I really can’t believe I’m saying this in NZ. “Show us your papers” said the Camp Lieutenant.

      We rearrange the complete social and political basis of society, demonising thousands, steamrolling about 8 different human rights, for an extra 10% vaccination of a vaccine that is already being promoted with a need for a booster and potentially fourth shot and several studies show has little or mixed impact on transmission. It’s literally insane – I’m waiting for us to accept police cameras in our houses because we didn’t hire enough police to deal with increased crime and it would make us all “safer” to do so.

      If we had even a 1% of the effort from Government on almost any other societel ill, we’d be near paradise on it. I wish I was making this up as some dystopia sci-fi story.

22. The NZ Herald would print maps of Labour MPs homes with recipes for Molotov Cocktails alongside while Mike Hosking would actually orgasm live on air.
    ^^^
    I have never laughed so hard from reading something on the internet. Kudos to you.

23. Totally agree with Richard Christie

    “months ago an isolated NZ enjoyed Covid free status.
    The two most significant factors in the loss of this status were

    i) The trans Tasman bubble
    ii) The decision to drop Auckland’s L4 status to L3 apparently against most of the public health-expert advice, ( ‘give Auckland picnics’ – which rather trivialises it).”

    Also too many MIQ places and for stupid reasons in stupid places run by stupid people for many stupid people coming to NZ.

    So many stories about celebrities like the wiggles coming, MIQ sites next to vaccination sites and poorly protected, unvaccinated and untrained staff at MIQ everywhere and new arrivals in MIQ who become absconders from MIQ who seem to come to NZ and think they can do what they like, taking up MIQ places!

    Now government and ‘business’ are about to bring the next Delta strain into NZ, by opening the border more, and allowing zero MIQ to ‘business people’ who apparently can all be trusted to self isolate so they can venture back and forth around Xmas.

    Thanks fuckers, for putting everyones life at risk (as well as the economy) for someone who can’t use zoom!

    The polls speak for themselves, and voters want Labour to keep high security, NOT open it up to selected business people, celebrities, gangs and NZ whiners who left the country, don’t work and live here and then whining they can’t come back for Xmas!

    We also know from past experience, how plane loads of apparently Covid free nationals ‘somehow’ got Covid in transit to NZ. Some countries seem to have more failure in tests and somehow ‘pick up’ Covid more easily than any other national in transit. Yeah, right.

    Avoiding hurting someones feelings is part of the problems and needs to be kept away from Covid policy as killing people is a lot worse!

    • it doesn’t matter anymore making MIQ ineffective and renewing imports of indentured labour will cook our goose nicely

24. Well said, Martyn. Stuck in a hideously rightwing American State (not blaming MIQ issues, not yet) I watch from afar. I have close family in NZ who have fallen down the rabbithole of Qanonynoism and worship at the altar of Banner, Breitbart, Jones and a group of mad US doctors/quacks and am daily subjected to their idiotic and dangerous rants. Don’t look at the USA as a whole, look at individual States. I have said this before and will likely say it every day, at noon…compare these statistics: Arizona Population 7.2M Oct 26, 2021 Total vaxxed thus far 58.8% Total cases 1,150,432 New o/n a low 450 (down 2000 from day before) Total deaths 20,963 New o/n 102 Fatalities 291.6/100,000 per capita – state is open for business. Tough luck if you have a disease OTC (Other Than Covid) if you need hospital care. But then a few of the Kiwi whanau here in AZ together with others across the nation, toddled off to Washington DC to enjoy Kiwi Fellowship and a game in which some big Kiwi fullas destroyed a feeble US team. SMH Bloody Kiwis….

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