Wait, what??? We will jail parents for 5 years for not giving teens puberty blockers??? This will be political cyanide

1. We can blame Minister Faafoi but really that’s like picking on the neighbors cat for shitting in your garden. They are simple creatures who just do and don’t really know why.

   The angelic little face behind this law was the MP for Auckland Central. Is Chloe going to be mentioned in dispatches here?

   • That is straight talking xray and bogh right and amusing to me. I wonder if that will be regarded as being against one of the clauses in the hate speech bill? Then there would be no room for relief by laughter when considering politics, which would become even more dire and dreary.

2. So just before the election certain media and the polls were saying a vote for Winston was a wasted vote. The public were informed just before the election that NZF were to be investigated for dodgy donations. Somebody leaked that Winston had received more super than he was entitled to, just before the election. This person/department/elected member was never found.
   1. Can you please not mention the need for Winston out of respect for me.
   2. Always vote for the person most like yourself. In the above case someone with a bit of Kiwi common sense like maybe, oh I don’t know……oh shit Winston.
   3. These matters you speak of should be dealt with by way of education and health promotion and family/individual support. 5 years in the slammer for these crimes!!!!???

   • “should be dealt with by way of education”

     Dealing with it by way of education is the major part of the problem. It is now mandated, within the new education curriculum, that children start to think about and question their “gender identity”, – from a ridiculously young age.
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     It is the context of the new education system that makes this such a concern. A few years ago it would have been unusual for a young child to start thinking about their “gender identity”, let alone their “sexual orientation”. Now, discussion of these things is being taught within the school curriculum.

     Here is a link: https://www.inclusive.tki.org.nz/guides/supporting-lgbtiqa-students/plan-sexuality-and-gender-education-years-1-8

     Right from years One to Three, “Students will learn about” questioning and discussing gender stereotypes and norms.

     This means they will come home and want to talk to parents about it. But if parents give the “wrong answers”, there may well be repercussions within the new laws.

     • Thanks for the link Kheala. This is so disturbing. Could have been thought up by an AI program! Oh heck, was it?

       • Might have been…
         Good to see you here again, Grey 🙂
         Missed ya…

         • Thing is Kheala, it’s much easier than teaching maths or science – or how to enjoy reading real books instead of watching iPads. The thought of some teachers I’ve known imparting gender information sends chills up my spine , and it HAS got some quite reasonable parents worried. There’s lunacy abroad.

         • It’s a social and medical experiment, on our children. To me, it’s horrifying.

         • I agree. I have no idea if or what the MSM is doing about this – I may go and read the library newspapers as I’m boycotting them – but it’s a terrible thing to be doing to New Zealand’s children, and a totally surreal scenario.

3. Yep maybe a special wing in Mount Eden prison can be set up for those people that Commit these heinous crimes of gay conversion therapy etc, potentially next door to the special wing set aside for the Comancheros !

4. These people are authoritarians and totalitarians.
   They literally are becoming the fascists they think everyone else is.

5. All done with the Assistance of the Human Rights Commission, the guys that give money to gangs to talk to them.
   Human rights for some, but not if you are white, straight or a parent.

   • Keepcalmcarryon Half the HRC don’t get on with each other. Marama D was one of their advisors. They ‘re a pretty pedestrian body, or worse.

6. Okay, so back in the day, when I was in my early teens. Not only did some people think I was gay, but some adults thought I was a girl. I guess the long hair didn’t help (it was the ‘70’s) and being groomed by an older gay guy probably reinforced the idea.

   Thankfully my parents and family were able to get into see a psychiatrist and helped out of my troubles.

   Today my parents and psychiatrist would be accused of converting me to the path of straightness, and I’d be placed on puberty blockers. And don’t think I’m joking. I’ve had discussions about this with my cousin talking about not only the hate speech stuff, but also conversion therapy. She was the one who realised what was happening to me at the time and got the help I needed.

   My apologies if I sound somewhat incoherent, this opens up strong emotions and angers for me and I find it difficult to discuss in a logical way.

   • Take care Terry. These issues are very real for you.

7. This is why they needed Winston.

   🙂
   yeah, I miss him already. Sanity ‘n stuff..

8. No, because their “gender identity” is whatever they say they want it to be, on any particular day.

9. Yet again Seymour got the soundbite 😉

10. I think people have their priorities wrong.
    In the near future as torrential rain washes away hillsides and water floods through our homes we will be able to trudge to higher ground secure in the knowledge we are a gender diverse people without inhibitions about sexuality.
    Homelessness is no longer a problem because the first to die in the new climate induced epidemics of dengue, yellow fever and cholera were the poorest and most vulnerable. But they died knowing that a compassionate government often said how deeply they cared for society’s most vulnerable people.
    The same thing with an ageing population. A touch of typhus and a completely bankrupt health system means we no longer have to euthanise old people. The most important thing about hospitals is the few remaining medical staff will all have full awareness of the Te Tiriti and respect the culture of each deceased person in the funeral
    The long summer droughts, punctuated by destructive cyclones, makes it increasingly difficult to grow food as the best agricultural land is reserved by the cattle barons for their dairy herds. This is sanctioned by the government as necessary to provide the exports of meat that pay our accumulated debt to foreign banks.
    The duopoly of supermarkets is no longer a problem as most of them were burned to the ground in the riots when bread reached $15.00 for a standard loaf. Now most people buy their food in growers market, which is organically grown in people’s backyard vegetable gardens or land that was abandoned after the property speculation bubble crashed.
    Obviously the situation was difficult for the government but hate speech and greater police powers is useful in controlling critics of the government which is now the Richprick’s Party( ex-ACT and National Party). Widespread disillusionment with the Labour Party led to massive non-voting in 2023.
    Extreme weather events, disease epidemics and riots by poor and hungry people led to the declaration of emergency powers by Doctor Felicity Munchbottom, New Zealand’s first Transsexual Prime Minister who cancelled elctions and made Great Barrier Island the seat of government.
    Doctor Munchbottom is fluent in Te Reo, Samoan, Tongan and Mandarin Chinese. He/she lives with his/her three partners, James, Lucinda and Wolfie. They are currently childless but are interested in adopting a boy/girl/other in the future. Oranga Tamariki( yes it still exists) is currently looking for suitable vic(sorry) applicants.

    and as we batter each other to death to feed our family and children on the few scraps of food we managed to grow in our backyard vegetable gardens

    • Please, please, pleeease! Finish it! I have to know the ending! 🙂

      • …. it ends when the eight-brained octopus Maui fished from the sea for the Wellington City Council to model its team work on, emerges from the Pacific Ocean, swims against a current unimpeded by the long- vanished buses of times past, and wraps its tentacles around a Beehive shaped with convenient foresight to have the life squeezed out of it before the pollies realise exactly what’s going on, just as they did to the proles.

      • Why wait for this laggard author JS Bark. For an ending I would like to see the family and their neighbours set themselves up into a little food circle where each household produces at least two vegs, fruit, and then two of the group do daily bread, and follow a careful dietary regime and have extra when available, a proportion of which they share to those who want it. They won’t starve, and have monthly potluck meetings with oher similar groups and can help when some new fungus attacks etc. That would prevent an Irish Potato Famine situation. But it has to be flourishing first not just started as a matter of urgency when some trouble strikes. Find out who your friends are and be loyal to them, as well as caring about your own family. That’s the way of the future.

        • Find out who your friends are and be loyal to them, as well as caring about your own family.

          Yes.

          That’s the way of the future.

11. The government is at fault from way back when they introduced neolib-freemarket into our lives and broke our path to adulthood and self-determining adults holding down jobs and making achievable plans. They have oppressed the citizens and people fall off the conveyor belt to security and stability. Now they want to put patches over the sores, and fines those who can’t comply to their required scenario.

    What is needed is counselling for youngsters who have little hope for the future, help them to find their inner gifts, to gain skills to use them, something to do that will be admired by society at large. Not to thrash around looking to see if it will be better being another gender. Some might find it so, but encourage them to give life a go, and give them the tools and help meet the goals they develop and most will cope with life in our present circus, that is developing into a challenging Big Show. It would help if we had better control over our country and its direction, but help the young adults to gain inner strength and they can stand tall and find the best way to cope with our coming troubles and escape nemesis.

12. There is more fascism and repression in the Christian religion.

    • Christianity is a choice though millsy.
      I still can’t understand why even counselling someone (a consenting adult) over their sexual orientation is seen as a crime but counselling and conversion therapy (including chemical and surgical intervention) for gender dysphoria in young teenagers is not only OK but refusal is a crime. It’s insane.
      The leading lights in government might think it’s OK, the vast majority of people, 80% from the survey, are not that foolish.

      • From my experience, troubled, confused & sexually abused teenagers who may also be questioning their sexually need highly qualified psychologist/psychiatrists to help them. My therapist would challenge me on my thoughts and the conclusions, & helped me find a way through the mess I had found myself in.

        In today’s world, the default setting for a therapist would be to confirm my gayness/transgender issues, unless I said no. You can’t be troubled sexually, and be straight. Unless you have a desire to sexually abuse women, children or other men. There are too many overly empathetic now involved in “counseling” which is why I believe it should be regulated.

        My experience with some people in the “radical rainbow” community is that they want to claim you for one of their own. A bit like the missionaries claiming your soul for the baby Jesus.

        • Whoa, so you think that homosexuality is a mental illness?

          Seems you want LGBT’s stuck in asylums and ECT’d until they are zombies.

          • trolly strikes again

          • You dont deny?

            Homophobia is a disease, and the only cure is jailing Christian’s.

          • I very much doubt that anyone, anyone at all on this site, or who even reads it, thinks like that. But then you know that already, treadmills troll.

          • You’re either a very clumsy troll or a drunk one, or just plain stupid. Probably the latter. You cannot even get your troll suggestions in a line.
            Treadmillsy T. Roll thinks:
            “Shall I suggest this person is homophobic? Or that gays want to imprison Christians? Oh! I Know!! I’ll fire them all in at once. That’ll show them.”

13. The National party supports it, so all the people in the comments crying ‘authoritarian’ etc, you’re right cos Nats would do it too.

    NO definition of ‘gender identity’ or ‘gender expression’, none, nada. If you cant define it how do you enforce it, legally

    Meanwhile in UK, Finland, Sweden and other countries they are walking back their claims puberty blockers are ‘safe and reversible’, not Mr Little and the MOH- they still have it ont he MOH website under advice for parents of young trans.

    Also underway in the UK at the moment is a Tribunal Hearing for Helen Webberley who runs “GenderGP” and has administered PB to children as young as 12. The Tribunal is 5 days into a 55 day hearing. 55 days! here’s what the suspended doctor is facing https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gp-facing-tribunal-running-illegal-21122035

    While you’re at it, read Tavistock v bell (UK High Court0- 3000 pages of evidence produced and they found treating trans children under 16 with PB is ‘experimental’ and lacks medical ‘efficacy’. Sorry to break it to everyone, children are not short Adults, they are undeveloped Adults and do not always know what’s best—

    • Yes Tracey, it is interesting that with all the vitriol being expressed towards the Government and in particular the PM, that the support of the other parties is not being mentioned. Makes me think that most of the commentators are just one-eyed. Anyway, what does suprise me is the information that the medical profession are prescribing hormone blockers to solve puberty problems – what a sad situation; they/we have obviously learnt nothing from the opioid crisis the world faces.

      • and of course the Salvation Army, who often have to deal with the devastating results of such therapies support the bill. I wonder who the opponents will turn to if ACT finally make a call and decide to support it.

14. Our dear leader is becoming distant. Too important. How long before she demands a pyramid?

15. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/08/newshub-reid-research-poll-act-soars-to-11-1-pct-labour-plummets-to-43-pct-and-national-still-not-cracking-30s.html

16. So the answer is bring back an old coot you all delighted in getting rid of 18 months ago?

    Here’s the toss. Ministers are being found out; wokeborg is in ascendancy in the PMs office and there isn’t common sense middle-of-the-road policies in a left wing covid environment. You have unfortunately starting pissing off the housewives of suburbia. This is a death-knell in an environment where COVID exhaustion is gaining traction; the rest of the world is moving on (gradually) and high priests such as Hendry and St Ash not getting the message.

    This could turn ugly, quickly if the low covid mortality holds in countries with high vaccination levels. Here’s the clicker – if we get to say 65% vaccination rate and the hermit policies continue there will be a widespread revolt as the hobbits realise vaccination isn’t the golden ticket they were promised.

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