Green Party List – but can they get over 5% on election day?

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No one has noticed, because the Green Party are utterly invisible during this pandemic, but the Green Party list is out…

Green Party initial election list puts newcomer Teanau Tuiono ahead of several sitting MPs

An initial list for the Green Party puts activist Teanau Tuiono ahead of several sitting MPs in the party.

The Green Party list will dictate which of their MPs enter Parliament after the next election, should they win over five per cent of the vote.

The ranking of the list is voted on by members in two different stages – first by delegates at a conference for an initial list and then by all 7000 or so Green Party members closer to the election.

…in the Green Party, the uber woke apparatchiks vote first and then the Party membership. I’d be surprised if Chloe and Golriz remain behind Tuiono after Party membership weighting swings in.

To be honest Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck could be on the Party list and it won’t make a lick of difference for the Greens, the real danger this election is the same danger TDB has been warning about since the last election, that the Greens would become so politically irrelevant they would fall below the 5% threshold for representation in the 2020 result.

The Greens have spent the past decade going backwards at every single election and they over poll before all elections so their 5% today could easily be 4% on election day.

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Combine this history of going backwards alongside their middle class woke identity politics with its pure temple over broadchurch messaging, and you have an incredibly alienating movement that despises the wider electorate and in a political landscape determined by social media, the cultural backlash will only become more extreme not less.

The starting points for many vocal woke Green Party activists are that all men are rapists, all white people racist and anyone supporting free speech a Nazi, unfortunately that message is about as attractive as drinking a cold cup of sick.

The Green Party are too focused on finding traitors and not finding recruits.

Their appalling ‘do nothing about climate change for 30 years’ carbon neutral position is not a response to the climate crisis and when every issue should revolve around that climate crisis, the Greens are off on some woke crusade for a fringe position no one else outside Twitter supports.

The pandemic creates another threat for the Greens, with zero news oxygen, Jacinda is sucking their very life essence away with her stellar leadership. The overseas vote that has always saved the Greens will flow towards Jacinda the International megastar, not the invisible James Shaw or Marama Davidson this election and domestic Green voters who see no future inside the Greens will start to shift their party vote to Labour as well.

The last thing the Greens need is to have any of their secret Facebook groups published online to see how far they’re prepared to go to smear their own political opponents. I’m guessing those messages would be pretty destructive 3 weeks out from the election.

If the Greens slide under 5%, they will need to ask why that happened and how they alienated their own support base in favour of the woke fringe.

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  1. Ahhh another post about the Greens and their woke identity politics and getting 5% at the next election.
    De javu? Wasn’t this the same subject of panic posts on here last election and everyone saying they will vote for the Greens to ensure they are above 5% ……I don’t see the same panic and pleading plus the wringing of hands explaining why NZ NEED the Green party!
    Do I sense a change in feeling and more of a ‘Meh’…if they get in good, if they don’t it’s their own fault attitude?
    Hope so….they bloody deserve it!

  2. Fun facts…

    A 10% rise in immigration leads to a 2% reduction in wages.

    The Bank of England found that a 10% increase in the proportion of foreign born workers in lower paid service jobs was associated with a near 2% fall in average pay for those jobs, when focusing on particular regions.

    https://fullfact.org/immigration/does-immigration-reduce-wages/?utm_source=content_page&utm_medium=related_content

    (It also creates a massive welfare burden when NZ has so many top ups for low income people which are effectively going to prop up big business profits like supermarkets or people trafficking of NZ visas in ponzi’s when after 0- 2 years most foreign residents can get NZ welfare and vote after 1 year which is skewing our democracy).

    ‘Green articles’ – not sure if these are anything that the Green Party is thinking of addressing, but might get some of their voters back if they stop trying to emulate the Labour/Maori party and mythical woke party and instead concentrate on retaining their previous Green voters to make it back.

    Some alarming NZ articles highlighting what is going wrong in NZ for the environment.

    NZ Government Secretly Funded Water Bottling Companies
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1904/S00055/nz-government-secretly-funded-water-bottling-companies.htm

    “A dam illegally constructed in an Auckland Council reserve is set to be lowered before Christmas, but not removed

    The impact of an illegally-constructed dam has been described by the Environment Court as “critical” for New Zealand’s most endangered bird but its removal will be a slow process, with the company which built it unlawfully setting most of the terms.”
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/12/19/953508/dam-delays-half-soon-half-later-maybe

    Harbour of doubt: The tiny creek that drains Auckland of its waste

    “St Lukes mall, one of the single biggest contributors of sewage into Meola, and likely among the biggest overflow points in the country.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/117958444/harbour-of-doubt-the-tiny-creek-that-drains-auckland-of-its-waste

    No plan to tackle environmental degradation by increased tourism – Commissioner
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405767/no-plan-to-tackle-environmental-degradation-by-increased-tourism-commissioner

    Protesters are vowing direct action in southern waters after oil giant OMV was yesterday cleared to drill up to 10 exploration wells off the Otago coast beginning this summer.

    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/mayor-slams-drilling-approval-farce?fbclid=IwAR0pg_haSht_L8zIPWhj2D-ph2d6CJb5yMAqp6BMozpjpjlofFpZuYFfylc

    Waihi runs out of water, council distributing water bottles
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/02/waihi-runs-out-of-water-council-distributing-water-bottles.html

    Appeals against Chinese water bottling plant dismissed
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118255435/appeals-against-chinese-water-bottling-plant-dismissed

    EPA grants drilling and discharge consent for Otago coast to oil and gas company OMV

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118277477/epa-grants-drilling-and-discharge-consent-for-otago-coast-to-oil-and-gas-company-omv

    “Directors of Tamarind Taranaki, the New Zealand business of a Malaysian oil and gas producer say the company “may be insolvent”.

    Tamarind operates three oil fields according to its website, Tui, Amokura, and Pateke in the Tui Area oil field. It is the 100 per cent owner and operator of the fields.

    The company’s business model is to buy oil fields late in their production life.

    When buying fields off other companies, Tamarind assumes responsibility for any remediation costs when the field is closed.”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12284777

    Dairy firm wants ocean wastewater outfall
    https://www.odt.co.nz/rural-life/dairy/dairy-firm-wants-ocean-wastewater-outfall

    EPA’s ‘inappropriate’ reaction to student’s speech
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117378375/epas-inappropriate-reaction-to-students-speech

  3. Golriz knows her stuff but isn’t vocal enough and doesn’t appear to work hard enough. Chloe is all fluff!

  4. Big sincere promises that medicinal cannabis was for both terminally ill and those suffering chronic pain. After – just the terminally ill.
    I feel suckered and its for the last time, I cant be bothered voting anymore for politicians, sure Im going to vote in a referendum because it seems the only way I can get affordable access by having the ability to grow my own or obtain cheaper recreational products than what was just created for a medicinal scheme.
    Like, where is the compassion for sick and disabled kiwis? I feel they dont give a fuck.

  5. You make some excellent points Martyn, and if the Greens go below their 5%, they deserve it.

    If you knock on just about any door in NZ and talk about the environment you will find the occupant cares about the environment. They may not know an awful lot, but they care. So how come the Greens have managed to alienate so many people?

    • So how come the Greens have managed to alienate so many people?

      That is the million dollar question, but I think Martyn answered it with

      ‘The starting points for many vocal woke Green Party activists are that all men are rapists, all white people racist and anyone supporting free speech a Nazi, unfortunately that message is about as attractive as drinking a cold cup of sick.

      The Green Party are too focused on finding traitors and not finding recruits.

      Their appalling ‘do nothing about climate change for 30 years’ carbon neutral position is not a response to the climate crisis and when every issue should revolve around that climate crisis, the Greens are off on some woke crusade for a fringe position no one else outside Twitter supports.’

      The problem is that they seem to be going against previous Green’s stance on everything from Keep NZ assets in NZ, buy NZ made, sustainable natural resources, The treaty of Waitangi and Maori interests in for example giving Chinese companies more water bottling rights, (because they think it’s racist not to, the believe propping up human rights abuses governments, some neoliberal told them to??? Who knows what went down, but current Greens failed to live up to Greens voters expectations or previous Greens values and policy on this, and many other issues that seem more Natz than Greens thinking).

      In spite of their mistakes, they are probably still a better bet to vote for than the other parties.

      Good things Greens did.

      Did not vote for TPPA when everyone else, including Labour did.

      Did manage to ban the plastic bag (although propping up Chinese water bottling companies use of disposable plastic bottles negated this win in my eyes, not to mention why, why, why give the water away to private business in China?).

      Glacially slowly trying to get rid of the oil and sand companies mining in NZ and polluting the place while destroying the natural environment.

      • Its a “Cult!”. The doctrine of Woke Fascism Authoritarianism is there dotrine these days. The kids dont know how to drive the political vehicle that they were given and have smashed the fucker up so badly that nobody recognises it anymore.

        As for the interlopers, the wailing white middle class neoliberal wokesters. They’ve all fucked off to join the Labour Dole queue.

        The best thing to be respectful to McDonald and Jenette is to bury this fucker with them. Amene.

        • Denny – “The kids dont know how to drive the political vehicle that they were given” – kids is the operative word here. I’ve gone from admiring Swarbrick to thinking her a bit of a brat with unresolved issues, hence her contempt for her elders – breathtakingly telling students at VU, that experience doesn’t count. Wrong.

          The Greens left me, not I them. They’re trouble makers. Blaming Pakeha NZ for the terrible Muslim massacres was disgraceful, and wrong.

          But at least I’m not a male – who seem to be the one’s who Davidson wants to delete themselves. NZ Maori have a greater affinity with the environment and historical affinity and wealth of knowledge than Greens even seem all that interested in – they fell in love with themselves, and are slipping out of sight.

  6. You make some excellent points Martyn, and if the Greens go below their 5%, they deserve it.

    If you knock on just about any door in NZ and talk about the environment you will find the occupant cares about the environment. They may not know an awful lot, but they care. So how come the Greens have managed to alienate so many people?
    The Party has been infested with Yanky carpetbaggers whose only environmental qualification is that they ride bikes.
    It has also been infested with a nasty strain of hard left that has nothing to do with the environment. What the hell is ‘social justice’ and what has it got to do with the environment? Get out there with the work parties clearing weeds and trapping pests and you won’t find many of these nasty Stalinist types because they’re at home tapping on their keyboards.

    The general absence of any accredited environmental scientists speaks volumes. With a real green government by now we should have seen an extension of and addition to marine reserves. They are desperately needed. We should have seen cameras on fishing boats and more intensive conservation patrols. Instead we get an ban on oil & gas exploration that will in due course *increase* our carbon footprint as well as make us all significantly poorer.

  7. The Greens normally get a overseas boost from ex-pat voters. This year (?) they won’t, the overseas vote will be going to Jacinda. I can’t say that they’ll be missed

  8. All of those points Martyn are flaky at best. What we should all really be doing is focusing harder on reclaiming the “C” word. Surely that needs to remain the priority?

  9. Hehehehe …. They’d top that poll, “The Most Irrelevant Political Party in NZ!” If there was one run, Martyn??

  10. ‘It’s positively alpine!’: Disbelief in big cities as air pollution falls

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/11/positively-alpine-disbelief-air-pollution-falls-lockdown-coronavirus

    Food for thought around deaths…

    India suffers most pollution-linked deaths in world, study finds
    Pollution causes more than 2 million deaths a year in India

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/19/india-suffers-most-pollution-linked-deaths-in-world-study-finds

    Covid-19 deaths in India so far – 249 deaths

  11. There are also only 3 males in the first 10.

    What happened to the equal split the greens were so fond of?

  12. I’d like to see the Greens and COL, post Covid concentrate on improving NZ’er’s lives in terms of environmental and long term social impacts… They need to forget the trivial and actually start thinking of real benefits to society.

    Questions

    What is the benefit of clean water and a non polluted swim in a river or ocean?
    What is the benefit of being able to grow your own food, water your garden and be self sufficient and be able to build your own home again cheaply (tiny home) not a McMansion or high rise?
    What a the benefit of having enough secure income?
    What is the benefit of having clean air?
    What is the benefit of security in terms of personal safety?
    What is the benefit of happiness?
    What is the benefit of democratic freedom?
    What is the benefit of having a fair justice system and police that help and prosecute society equally?
    What is the benefit of freedom from surveillance?
    What is the benefit of a political system free from corruption and donations from industry and overseas powers?
    What is the benefit of decent and nutritious food available for all?
    What is the benefit of power affordable for all?
    What is the benefit of preserving our natural forests, flora and fauna that are available for all to enjoy?
    What is the benefit of a well rounded decent education system with full literacy and numeracy, critical thinking, sports, arts and music in NZ?
    What is the benefit of NZ training enough local workers and actually have regulations in place to retain them going forward instead of repelling them overseas with zero hour contracts, wage theft, self employment that is really employment like Chorus workers, Uber drivers, zero redundancy payments, 0% pay rises, wages decreasing in real terms, (now we have voluntary pay cuts being mooted)?
    What is the benefit of not having multinational big business run NZ’s workforce, get the lions share of corporate welfare, that through poor conditions now relies on constantly importing workers in the future as they fail to retain their own workers due to lower and lower wages and conditions?
    What is the benefit of actually implementing The Treaty of Waitangi and Tina Rangatiratanga? How is that possible with free trade agreements that are decided in quasi courts that over ride Tina Rangatiratanga or with more and more land and assets being sold off or given away is not enforceable? Even if if you win your case in free trade courts, it costs millions of dollars, time delays, costs of fighting in court are huge to iwi and a small country like NZ when faced with more and more multinationals that are monopolising NZ and can buy up and then abandon on a whim (or scam), or threaten to, Rio Tinto, Cadbury, Waiwera pools?
    What benefit is there to attract people who are criminals or don’t actually live in NZ as citizens and residents or don’t pay, or pay minimal taxes here but can still claim full benefits for their families on our health, welfare, education and infrastructure services?

  13. Labour will need “friends” as will National to be the Govt. in 2021. All the tantrums, and/or warranted criticism, of the Greens will not change that little MMP fact.

    So castigate away people, but some of you are behaving more like concern trolls than adding to the discussion. There is a Cannabis Referendum to be won, and Chloe is making some of the most mature contributions. Nashnull must be denied at all costs, so what are some suggestions to assist that happening?

    People should consider practically helping one Party or another, or one of the pro Cannabis groups like “Make it legal”, do something, not just whinge. I am hosting a Labour (I am not a Labour supporter as such, but partner is) and a “Make it legal” hoarding on my property which is a key site on a SH in a Tory electorate.

    • What’s a concern troll?

      The greens, so that’s Golriz, Marama, Julian Genter and the one other are dividing there votes up with woke speak and everyone’s just shaking there head wondering what the they’re on about. Everyone can see the risks, no one is going to hold there hands and say well you did the right things up till now because they didn’t, and don’t think this is all about the greens because David Clark and a whole bunch of Labour/NZFirst MPs are just as teetz, and I do say so myself.

      We were very lucky to stick together a 2 seat majority it could very well have gone the other way if Bill English wasn’t so terrible. It’s like the more we say we don’t like what the greens are doing, the more it makes them do dumb things.

      • We were very lucky to stick together a 2 seat majority it could very well have gone the other way

        Yes, that’s a concern. Given the shite state they’re in (the Greens), I don’t have an answer.

        I’m very angry at a lot of things they’ve done, and that they’ve neglected to do. My first impulse was to put those things out there, write about them here, – they haven’t even been mentioned. But then I worry about the future, under another horrific right wing, BIG business, O/S corporate, enviro-trashing, nation-selling, dirty-politicking “government”, and start to feel despair.

        How it will all pan out in the election, when we’re pretty much dependent on having some sort of Coalition if the ‘Left’ is to survive politically at all, I just don’t know.

    • Post virus I hope people have better things to think about than smoking pot . The economy is going to be in a terrible state and the country will need people with clear heads and the ability to work hard . This is another reason to not have Greens at the top table as they only seem to put up obstacles to growth.

      • Growth and (animal abuse, poor food regulation and poor hygiene) is what created Covid-19 and neoliberalism’s love of growth, spread it around the world.

          • @Sam, nearly 1 billion just went to Air NZ which apparently has over 1 billion in cash reserves while laying off their staff, god knows how many billions going to go to Fletcher for the roads we don’t need, billions for the retail and hospitality giants to pay their wages for them like Harvey Norman…

            40 billion don’t last long at this rate, especially when NZ taxes might be a lot lower than expected… government are just propping up the same big business sunset industries for the most part… not concentrating on new high paid jobs for people in future industries that are better paid and less dysfunctional…

          • @saveNZ

            My belief is kind of radical and it is my belief that we can not get to where we need to go with the tools that got us in this mess.

            In other words twenty first century technology is an order of magnitude less than than the challenges imposed by climate change in the twenty first century.

            In particular one of the biggest problems we face is the political economy. We have effectively starved our scientific and business enterprizes for resources creating a dire and cut throat compitition which has completely deranged kiwi culture and traditions.

            So one thing I’d say in response is that I have broken and have broken for many years with just about every left wing expectation. That’s not to say that left wing policy or style of presentation isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, I’v had every intention of revealing the man traps using standard working class terminology but it goes far deeper than this.

            My belief is that what we’ve created is a career structure, and employment structure and access structure that can not possibly complete the job. Now why is that???

            Well what if an attempt to address the fundamental defects inherent in this neoliberal structure results in career suicide?

            So if you think of this as a solution then then you would realize that addressing a pandemic as weak as the Wuhan virus would synchronise failure across many seemingly powerfully independent institutions. And I believe that’s exactly what’s been going on all through this governments year of delivery.

            In this case the neoliberal theory has really been fixated in the minds of the baby boomer generation that has allowed them an infinite amount of elaborations and formulation of economics, culture and geometric context, and these supposed economic experts spent there time applying for mortgages and borrowing growth from future generation, but in fact most of this borrowing had nothing to do with future proofing New Zealand what so ever.

            Now believing in a unified theory of economics is an embarrassing thing because it’s the same as believing in perpetual motion machines but I thought I saw some statistical anomalies that could have solved what bedevilled Jacinda’s aspiration to end child poverty. How ever I thought I’d fess up because ending child poverty and defeating climate change is exactly what I’m on about 100%, every day.

            We’ve only seen a unified parliament during WW2 and I believe we can see a sustained, unified parliament during peace time. Because a unifying theory of economics would have different characteristics than every other type of politics before it then we don’t know what we would normally call an effective set of policies.

            Now if you follow suicide statistics then I’m sure you know that from 2008 to now youth suicides have been spiking to all time highs through a period that John Key was very proud of calling it the greatest terms of trade in New Zealand’s history, and would lead to the widest openings in inequality in New Zealand’s history. That is a very strange positive feedback loop, in fact it’s an attempt to answer what is an economy for?

            Youth suicide is a problem of a unified theory of economics that bedevils us but never bedevilled the previous generations to this extent, now why is that?

            Well maybe we have confused an economy with what can be sold to other countries and it is absolutely not that. Liquidity or how many transactions that can be completed in one year is not the same as industrial policy and I have analogised this by simply saying that “when you export a nations wealth instead of feeding your own people then of course there will be spikes in suicide rates.”

            So knowing all the policies that permeates both New Zealand politics and business is an entirely different thing from becoming a successful politician/entrepreneur. But in the case of a unified theory of economics it’s an answer to the question why do some people have to much and others don’t have enough, and I don’t think this is what a unified theory of economics is meant to be either, and why is that?

            Well I believe that most of us are unable to formulate airtight arguments, politically speaking, which coxes out of political voids, a something, a bridge, a house, a what ever. How ever there is one question that might be able to solve a unified theory of economics and that is how does the government find $12 billion dollars over night?

            To blatantly peruse purely ideological responses to a particularly nasty virus, responses that will destroy whole industries, and the kiwi way of life, as did rogernomics before it in the great neoliberal purge – but this is what businessmen like Mathew Hooton are attempting to conjure up.

            Hooton proposed a set of policy that would have destroyed New Zealand’s magazine industry, a policy prescription that Greg Presland (Micky savage) indorsed and Chris Trotter rebelled against in there recent attack blogs.

            Hooton’s proposal was to suspend national capital flows into certain areas of the economy so that it could be diverted to the things that would get the economic luxuries of his own political expediencies, in the hopes that ideological vampires like him, can holt this governments planed wage increases.

            Even if it’s not true, and Mathew Hooton did a big song and dance about kiwi values and he’s just a nice guy, in the sense of ruthlessly exploiting a national health crises to secure ones own miserable objectives won’t get us there.

  14. I am sure Greens will get in. But will Labour need them to form a government? My answer is NO as Labour will be able to govern on its own.

    • LV. Are you any good at math?
      41 Nat’s v 29 Lab in the electorate seats. Labour will need to flip 4 to 5 of them, hold all the Maori seats and find another 200,000+ voters? That is a big ask and wont happen with 1 million people in the dole Q.
      When people get sacked, the dont vote or its a protest vote.
      Gweens are dead. NZF will need a seat gifted to them by labour if labour can do the math, they’ll need a partner. Capiche.

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