Ummmmmm, so Winston took photos of Journalists and gave them to a far right hate blog???

1. Does Slater still have involvement at the BFD?
   Winston is desperate if he has chosen this attack route, the lying just makes him look worse.
   It looks like NZ First is taking the SFO referral seriously enough to settle some straw man questions on Facebook not address the real questions to the public and creepily smear their accusers via the BFD.
   Would an innocent party do that?
   3% and falling.
   I think that if you spend your career lying, eventually there’s no one left to vote for you.

   • National have been lying it hasn’t effected them keepcalmcarryon or does it depend on who, what, how and when you lie. Or is it all in the timing, it being just before our election.

     • I helped vote the Nats out.
       Labour and the greens have lied over the TPPA, immigration, water, housing etc etc etc
       Winston’s been full of bullshit since forever, a complete lawyer, principles for a price.
       Being non tribal but more of the left, I have both eyes open and I will actively vote against bad government and blatant cynicism by politicians.
       The only punishment we have is to vote bad politicians out and await a remaking of worthless parties until someone actually represents working New Zealanders or even better, all of us.

2. Jacinda must be grateful she didn’t make the catastrophic error of offering NZFirst an electorate deal!

   Unfortunately she’s still chained to the festering corpses of the Greens and Whinney as they circle the drain. Pass the popcorn it’s going to be brilliant!

3. Winston has stooped to the same level as the National party. No journalists get close to National unless they bend over to Nationals demands. That is why there are very limited negative pieces on National even through 9 years of dodgy dealings of an appalling government.Sadly Winston has lowered himself to the very standard Bennett holds herself.
   Despite this it is looking like National and its attack dogs are starting early on “cutting out the middleman”They are flawed in their thinking as they forget one thing, I have no doubt NZ First will take Northland given their promotion of the area and Nationals lack of anything meaningful there. This is why Bridges has backtracked on working with Peter’s. Right at the moment 11% preferred PM won’t get you elected. If Bridges had a smidgen of intelligence , he’d resign as the intelligent Andrew Little did for Labour.Bridges ego is massively larger than his IQ so he and he alone will be responsible for Nationals downfall.

   • It was only a matter of time before Nationals Audrey Young got involved, let’s keep the fire stoked.

     https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12308687

     Any update on Nationals illegal donations?

4. From that Herald link:
   When RNZ contacted Peters this evening to ask who “we” referred to, Peters said he didn’t know who took the photograph.

   “To say that I said that we physically went and took a photograph, that’s bulldust,” he said.

   Later, Peters tweeted: “NZF has no interest in following Mr Espiner or any other journalists. The very reverse applies. No private investigators have been engaged to follow Mr Espiner or anyone else. A supporter thought it odd seeing ex-president Lester Grey with Mr Espiner so took a photo. Simple.”

   He made no mention of how the pictures came to be on The BFD site.

5. Well put. This is an abuse of power so despicable, so creepy, so desperate that if to was anyone else there would be outrage.
   Also it is a nail in the coffin of Winston having a basecourse of belief in ethical political systems. Any politician who did would treat anything connected with the Right with huge discretion, and a bargepole. Oh Winny just put up with the queries from the mosquito journalists. If you just said ‘Truth will out – and I hope that it doesn’t show us as having been involved in wrongdoing in the contentious situation of funding a political party.” and stopped there, that would have been wise.

   • Perhaps we should just use the Australian rugby league analogy for teams over the salary cap, disqualify them. At present we have one guilty protagonist as stated by the SFO in National and a second potentially in NZ First. If they are disqualified this election, do you think it would solve the issue around illegal donations?

     • The SFO hasn’t found National guilty of anything. They haven’t even brought charges against them. A court is the place where people are found guilty. The SFO is taking a group of people who donated to National to court which is where their guilt or innocence is decided.

       • You confirm my point, why the witch hunt on Peters? Let the SFO do their jobs, not trial by media and journalist. Yes it was a story when it was first broken, but when it goes on day after day, then it’s a witch hunt. If you don’t believe me then why not the same scrutiny for National’s case. Or do NZ journalists have a different standard for National or are they trying to cut out the middleman by keeping it in the media. Espiner and Peters, there is no love lost there.

         • ROFLOL. Only in your own mind bertie.

         • And National is only innocent in yours.

         • it’s a witch hunt.

           Yes. (Why some in the Left are rushing in to play along with the Natsies usual toxic, hypocritical little game, I don’t understand.)

         • That I can agree upon

6. Parliament is in free fall because it is now seen as no more than a talk shop defending naked capitalism in terminal decline. Old parties are dying and new parties and coalitions arise in their place.
   Parliamentarians are also in free fall and dirty politics is the norm. All of the fake news shit thrown around is to muddy the waters but that won’t work. The media is mired in this up to its neck. All around the world, new political movements are rising up to replace parliament and the corporate media as the tools of capital.
   The alt right have their stooges in government but they don’t play by the rules anymore. Trumpism shows the way as the Presidency takes on more powers and renders Congress impotent on the road to fascism.
   Boris Johnson is allowing his PM department to openly dictate to the UK treasury. The Labour opposition that capitulates to Zionism and trans ideology will see an end to the Labour Party as a dead end for workers, not before time!
   The right will use whatever means necessary to defend their profiteering against all attempts to stop climate change. The Canadian Govt has just invaded the indigenous resistance to big oil at the Unist’ot’ten Camp. All the big oil states are salivating at the prospects of Arctic oil and gas. And they will resort to space wars to drill to the death of us all.
   All capitalist govts are using identity politics, social patriotism, and the revamping of misogyny to attack women as the defenders of nature to smash the unity and power of the labour movement.
   The power base for the right has never been parliament or voters, but the corporate boards and media and thinktanks. Today it descends to street level populism and fascist gangs, intimidating, deplatforming, and backed up by physical violence.
   The left have to respond with their own organisation to resist the right and its shock troops. We need bigger and better antifascist fighters, a militant labour movement run by the rank and file, and a revival of militant feminism to unite the working class.
   These movements will be the democratic base for a global movement of survival socialism to expropriate capitalism and take power as a democratic workers’ state.
   Survival socialism is the only way to stop human extinction and restore the unity of society and nature.
   We have to kill capitalism before it kills us.

   • Well said

   • DB I’ll drink to that. Cheers.

7. I suspect promoting Winston is not the donation issue that Slater is involved in. Underhand machinations are something that Slater revels in. I believe there is a great deal more going on behind the scenes than anything realises.

8. Would these be the same people calling themselves journalists, who have conveniently forgotten about one of the few people worthy of the name, dying in a pommie prison???

9. It’s all such a storm in a teacup, really. I wouldn’t vote NZFirst if you paid me, but I do understand Winston Peters is who he is and as long as public funding of political organisations is insufficient, he is always going to have to pull a few Winston strokes to stay competitive.

   It’s not as if the other mobs haven’t done the same. I seem to remember a few election cycles back Natz got caught running a mysterious ‘foundation’ that was taking a few big cheques, knocking those BRIBES er sorry donations down to trances of smaller less noticeable amounts as anonymous donations.
   Peters has really pissed me off blocking so much the government needs to get done, but considering the neoliberal stance Aotearoa’s PM has on everything, I’m increasingly coming to regard Peters as a scapegoat so Ardern doesn’t have to keep the promises Labour made before the last election.

   For more than 150 years our political parties have knowingly given senior positions to agents of influence from England, US, Australia & China, a far more important issue yet no one wants to address that comprehensively by introducing long prison terms for any MP caught unofficially communicating with a foreign goverment or its representative.

   That issue degrades kiwi sovereignty, this one here is a reflection on the stupidity of Aotearoa’s business class, who are so naive they imagine Winston Peters will do their bidding for a mere thirty grand or whatever. Think about it, is Peters who only ever does something that is good for others as long as it is extremely good for himself, ever likely to enter into a corrupt arrangement with someone who could dob him in or lean on him forever afterward?
   Nah! Peters will take the dosh employing his flowery cliches, then do whatever he can to avoid assisting the donor beyond the basics – which is why Peters has to find new ‘marks’ every election.
   IMO the maximum donation should be aligned with the average kiwi wage; no one an individual or a corporate entity, can give more than what average kiwi takes home for one week’s work each electoral cycle – as well as keeping the highly censored facebook ads ( yep too true FB favors 1 particular dem candidate & censors any criticism of him see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfQ7Zo6m9yg ) down to a minimum, it will also have a positive effect on everyone’s take home pay.
   Why do we care about a rightist totally unobjective gossip-monger of a journo getting a little payback visited on him? We should all be chortling, not whining.

   • The racing and fishing industries have done AMAAAZINGLY well out of Whinney. The smaller the party the more chump change matters. Enabled of course by Cindy and The Greens. It’s been literally ages since The Greens have asked for an inquiry into anything… yep it’s all gone quiet over there. Nek minit!

     • And Charter schools did AMAAAZINGLY well out of Seymour, enabled of course by the ponytail puller.
       The numbers employed by the racing and fishing industries can not be diminished in any way shape or form, although National almost allowed the racing industry to die a slow death whilst in power.
       Racing is a sport that employs directly and indirectly more than 50,000 people, it has an economic impact of $1.6 billion a year and it has a major reach right across the North and South Island – and the export opportunity not only for horses but for people to go and explore the world.
       The comment on the Greens and an inquiry just highlights your immaturity.

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