So the NZDF lied to all our faces about war crimes in Afghanistan? This unblinking cretin must answer new OIA revelations

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If we have a functioning fourth estate, this should lead every news bulletin and Keating must be forced by the media to explain why he lied.

This unblinking cretin must answer new OIA revelations

Can we all pause and just consider that today we found out that the NZDF lied directly to our faces about war crimes in Afghanistan.

When the book Hit and Run was published in March last year, the Chief of Defence Force Tim Keating held a press conference claiming that the book had nothing to do with the New Zealand SAS because the SAS had been in a different place on that date.

In response to questions from reporters, Keating said:

It’s irrefutable that we operated in a different area to the claims of the book” and

it’s not on an operation the NZSAS conducted.”

Just before the 2017 election, the Chief of the Defence Force lied directly to our faces about a revenge attack personally signed off by John Key that burnt civilian houses, wounded 15 civilians and killed 6.

NZ ordered the Apache Attack Helicopter strike, we are responsible for this, we may have committed a war crime personally signed off by the Prime Minister and the military lied to our faces about it.

If we have a functioning fourth estate, this should lead every news bulletin and Keating must be forced by the media to explain why he lied.

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18 Comments

  1. Kevin says:

    ……If we had a functioning fourth estate…..instead we have a propaganda outlet for the Uber Elites, full of piss poor journos, who are biased & undemocratic.
    DO NOT read, watch or follow the MSM. Their job seems to be purely propaganda and mind conditioning. It convinced Kiwis to vote & then keep voting for the biggest traitor this country has ever had.

  2. CLEANGREEN says:

    If we had honesty at the core of our society today we would have accepted the truth years ago but now we will live in doubt for a long time sadly.

  3. Marc says:

    Oh no, we must honour our soldiers, no matter what they may have gotten up to, do not disturb the next ANZAC Day Parade, thanks.

  4. Kim dandy says:

    He lied to cover PM John Key’s a***. Simple.

    • mary_a says:

      @ Kim Dandy … absolutely right.

      Now let’s hope Key is faced with some stiff questioning on this whole issue. He has plenty to answer for here.

  5. Michelle says:

    agree 100% with Kim Dandy all the lies are spilling out

  6. e-clectic says:

    Should he explain before or after he resigns?

    What standard of accountability will the Minister of Defence be seeking? He needs to cut a clear distance between himself and his predecessors, especially on this matter.

  7. Sam Sam says:

    I disagree that collateral damage is a necessity. Being a competent soldiers means knowing how to wield the sword so it remains sheathed.

    • Sam Sam says:

      I just read your first paragraph and dismissed the rest.

      Being politically correct or against PC culture is dangerous. You don’t know what you are talking about and just quickly I’ll prove it. Hitler was the most anti PC person ever, he hated that Jews could deviate from the majority even a little bit and killed millions.

      So do you understand why getting so upset about being PC or not is a terrible idea? If you understand how the game is played, and how to wield the sword, you CAN keep the sword shieved, and just pull it out for the appropriate occasion.

      The just following orders defence is no longer valid. So soldiers have to be smarter now. The killing game is all rulz of engagement and operational hence the word “counter.” COIN, counter barrage, counter ops. I suspect the way NZDF does business has changed a lot since you where an enthusiast. NZDF must now be viewed through the lense of FLOC (Future Land Operating Concept 35. Just type in the Google search “NZDF” and “FLOC”) developed after the events of the book Hit and Run FLOC seeks to take NZDF philosophy and procurement and revolutionise it for the recruit who will be born in 2018. They will likely be urban, more diverse in ethnic background, and less likely to be able to cope with the hardships because New Zealand has experienced 3% economic growth year on year for the last 30 yrs.

      So the way NZDF conducts business in the next 50 years will be a lot different than the last 100 years. That there are more opportunity for woman to join the military than the private sector as a consequence NZDF culture will approach problems more peacefully as its a woman’s natural instinct to want to make sure every one gets a fair shake.

      You’ll also find that drones will be as available to section leaders as the MARS-L.

      So it IS a case of out with the OLD analogue mentalities and in with the new coolness.

      That’s out with the old busted joint, and in with the new hotness, my boy.

      • Sam Sam says:

        Ah yes, every ones got a really bitching plan until they get punched in the face. That’s in part why policy,my raining and mentoring is wrapped around the 2035 recruit to muld them into something useful.

        At the bottom of the IQ ladder so about 80- 89, you’ve got all the low payed IQ jobs the system try’s to funnel the underclass into ie:

        -Check out operator
        -factory worker
        -so boring repetitive jobs no one wants to do

        And underneath an IQ of 80 the system doesn’t provid any jobs and the thing with technological revolutionists like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg is they are introducing computational technology that will make below 90 IQs redundant and that’s a lot of Nee Zealanders with zero stake in all this that we have to find a job so shifty politicians don’t convince them to stand either side of a bayonet.

  8. Pete says:

    We put up with Key and Collins blatantly lying, not lies in failing to carry out policies they said they’d carry out, just lied about what they’d done.

    When you have the leader of the country and a Minister of Justice who don’t value truth but set clear models of the opposite, why should anyone else value honesty?

    • Michelle says:

      don’t forget judiths visit to Oravida on the tax payer now she claiming to care about the housing crisis something they said didn’t exist

  9. Francesca says:

    I think our military has closer bonds and affiliations with other military players (the US, Australia,)than they have with NZ and its politicians.
    And lets face it, our military is doing the bidding of the US, following them in to their stupid wars
    Governments come and go, but the military goes on for ever (they hope)
    Playing with the big boys, seeing action allows them to progress the career ladder.
    Woe betide any PM who crosses the military
    A bit like the intelligence agencies in the US
    “let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have 6 ways from Sunday at getting back to you”

  10. Michelle says:

    They (the NZ military) have too much power its needs to be reined in. We also have bad culture in our police force they are more interested in spying on people and doing illegal raids on people mansions American style. NZers need to wake up to this before we find ourselves in a full on war. Not a war like we fought before but one with evil cowardly people that just have to push a button. And believe me the 3rd world war may be closer than many think with Russia provoking the west and their allies and putin wanting to unleash his new weapons on anyone that dear question or challenge their power.

  11. mosa says:

    The point here is we don’t have a functioning fourth estate that ended in 2008 or what was left of it.

    Bill English and his resignation and its timeline had a lot to do with this enquiry.

    I will wager that the current government will not do what is right and just here as there are too many apologists like Mr Ron Mark and others who will never sanction a real enquiry.

    Labour WILL ROLL OVER to keep uncle Winston and others on side.
    This issue should be a make or brake for the Green party pure and simple.

    The more things change the more they stay right where they……are.

    The fourth estate is dead except for this courageous site that unfortunately does not have the cut through of the corporate media.

  12. countryboy says:

    Drugs.
    God invented drugs for this reason.
    Crop dust the entire landmass of the planet with GOOD ecstasy powder and not one shot would be fired in anger. You can guarantee some idiot ( Like me ) would sit on their gun and shoot themselves in the balls by accident, but no state manufactured ( corporate) hate would be involved. ( Police/Ambulance/Screaming/Bleeding, yes. )
    You’d likely get buffalo rooting crocodiles then calling on them the day after with roses and chocolates but hey? Nothing’s perfect. Buffodile Babies? Cuuuuute! OMG! Crocolo’s! Extinction just got fruity.
    Better than dead, mangled children and wailing parents doomed to forever roam a haunted landscape, and those few of us who don’t enjoy schadenfreude? We are equally devastated. We’re right there with you. There in, lies the rub.
    Yeah, I’m being flippant. So what?
    Mr Waxhead the Soldier above is all a-puff because he has a tiny penis. And when it gets aroused? He whacks it with a stick while thinking about dead kittens.
    He should shave his head, grow a nice pair of sideburns and get a girl/boy friend combo.
    But what does he do instead? He kills people. Why? Did they come here and try to kill us? No. They did not.
    We go to a place in Auckland where there are mostly swarthy brown people with white teeth, and I know they have white teeth because they smile. Unlike Waxhead the Soldier, who, if he smiled his kitten stick would wilt and he’d be left to fend for himself in his dungeon with his handcuffs and rubber suits.
    Remember kiddies? Fucks like him are in a sickly and infamous minority. He, like those before him, have simply learned how to convince us otherwise.

    What if they gave a war and nobody came…

    https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/4433299603266188/

  13. David Stone says:

    As a kid the men who worked with and for us were mostly returned from WW2. They didn’t talk about it much but looking back, though it seemed an age ago to me at 8 or 10 it must have been yesterday to them.
    I think they quickly gave up talking about it as they realised that no-one who hadn’t been through it had any concept of what it was like. They couldn’t communicate the horror to the people who had not lived through it. Some were probably ashamed of things they had done, but that wasn’t the main reason they didn’t talk about it. It was better put in the past, and to live in the future of work and family and peace.
    D J S