3rd Leaders Debate – Jacinda did to Bill English what Hurricane Harvey, Irma & Jose is doing to Trump’s climate denial

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The wave of derision, anger and outright fury directed at Bill English when he tried to spin his lines was so visceral that it actually stunned him a couple of times and he turned a lighter shade of grey. I’ve never seen person drown live on TV, but I suspect it looked like Bill.

Wow.

Just. Wow.

There are so many things going on with the 3rd Leaders Debate it’s hard to know where to start.

The second debate was stacked with an audience of ‘undecided’ voters when in reality it looked like a Young Nats Social Club and it created an audience that was mocking of Jacinda and created a biased playing field on which Bill English could look like the winner, last night there was none of that pretence of ‘undecided’ voters to be manipulated, it was open slather and that generated a completely different kind of audience response.

The wave of derision, anger and outright fury directed at Bill English when he tried to spin his lines was so visceral that it actually stunned him a couple of times and he turned a lighter shade of grey. I’ve never seen person drown live on TV, but I suspect it looked like Bill.

Jacinda on the other hand was landing blow after blow after blow.

There were so many moments…

Jacinda: ‘I gave the Greens my word I would take their phone call first”
Host: “Why”
Jacinda: “Because my word is my bond”

mic drop

 

Bill: Your team has let you down.

Jacinda: Your team lied.

mic drop

Watching Bill trying to explain why more young NZers aren’t going overseas now was the most farcical part of the evening. He was claiming it was because he has made NZ so amazing, that’s bullshit. Young people aren’t leaving because changes to student loans including arresting students at the airport has made it so much more difficult to leave.

It was like his continual patting on the back for house builds in Christchurch – the reason we have built so many houses in Christchurch is because there were earthquakes! Relying on a natural disaster to create growth isn’t much of an economic agenda.

The most ridiculous moment was when Bill started berating a Transport boss for criticising him by stating that his Government has bent over backwards for roading so why wasn’t he praising him. It’s like Bill couldn’t understand his political bribe to build more roads wasn’t even working with the industry that directly benefitted from it.

The underfunding of social services and public infrastructure are too apparent now. All Bill English and National have left are scare tactics and lies.

To date that has been enough to win them power. Will the new generation of voters flocking to Jacinda allow National to do it again?

 

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31 Comments

  1. Mike the Lefty says:

    Even the pro-National stuff website credited Jacinda with victory in this battle, if indeed one cares about such things.

  2. J S Bark J S Bark says:

    “Will the new generation of voters flocking to Jacinda allow National to do it again?”

    Dear God, I hope not!

    You now have a chance to stop this country being such a miserable bunch of self-interested parochial arseholes.

    Please don’t fuck it up.

    I’d love to feel proud of this place again…

    • countryboy says:

      J.S.Bark
      Don’t count on it.
      I just heard re RNZ that allan fucking gibb, ACT founder and no doubt his double dating mate and crook arse punk at mainfreight are the largest contributors to the TOP party ( See above TDB header).
      What the fuck is that about???
      Are we seeing a desperate double swindle to head off the rabble who’re rousing from the anesthetics ?
      Cook up a newbi doll to distract and cause confusion? Not on my watch you fuckers.
      Headline!
      gibb and truck driver fuck NZ.
      As for economist gareth morgan?
      Who’s a rich prick then?
      You are, so you say.

      • aom says:

        Actually CB, wasn’t it The Mainfreight man that took aim at the Government over their Kiwirail failures. Seemed they wanted to make much more use of an effective rail system to move freight, in conjunction with their trucking operations.

      • Castro says:

        And yet the Daily Blog gives TOP oxygen; go figure.

      • Danyl Strype says:

        Attacking a party for who decides to donate money to them is pretty weak. If that was the criteria we really used to decide who to vote for, all the rich would need to do is give big donations to all the left parties, so none of us would vote for them. These donations to TOP, and this response, is a classic example of the old saying that while the left looks for traitors, the right looks for allies.

        If you think TOP policies are pro-corporate, or pro-1% elite, by all means, let’s hear about that. Policy, policy, policy! Otherwise, you’re just engaging in exactly the shallow scandal politics we’ve quite rightly been condemning National for.

        • Nitrium Nitrium says:

          Although all that said it’s quid quo pro when it comes to big donations. The reason that “all the rich would need to do is give big donations to all the left parties” doesn’t happen is because they won’t get anything back for it. They would only do it, I guess, to smear the party with their dirty money (which would work for a handful of people), while the party itself would use the money to further ITS platform, not that of the donor.

    • CLEANGREEN says:

      J S BARK I feel very similar to you on this, as Jacinda has given us new hope that we can be proud again after years under this repressive regime forcing us to accept lies & corruption.

      Be gone national – leave our shores and leave us to restore the mess you left us with.

      ilovejacinda.

  3. Michelle says:

    Well I didn’t get to see or listen to the 3rd debate but I did hear some rather bias comments that Jacinda interjected too much. Really !
    I also heard Garners TV 3 viewers running down Kelvin Davis when they don’t really know him or what he represents. So I listened to his (Kelvins) comments and there was absolutely nothing wrong with them in fact he is improving on how to deal with the one sided bias TV 3 media and that is good enough for me. From what I heard the 3 negative comments are anger because some people don’t like to hear the truth. A more balanced media would give some feedback on how many Maori and other NZers feel about Paula. I have been online and it ain’t nice she must be one of the most hated Maori throughout NZ and it doesn’t surprise me because she is nasty. But we don’t hear these views on TV 3s morning news she seems to be put up on a pedestal. Watch out when she falls oh the mess and who will clean up maybe one of the many people she has made a peasant.

    • WILD KATIPO says:

      … ” I did hear some rather bias comments that Jacinda interjected too much. Really ! ” …

      I posted yesterday that Jacinda needs to start getting aggressive because all these National types understand is aggression. I retract none of that. You can still be polite and not stoop to put downs etc ,… but seeing Jacinda dish out some of the same sort of garbage English , Joyce ( particularly that inane giggling dildo idiot who makes an art of butting in, speaking over , mocking and carrying on like a total oaf )… habitually do thinking they have a licence to act like wankers ,… it has been a long time in coming.

      This has long been a tactic used by the neo liberal dirt for decades. This is always how they’ve sought to close people down. And if that doesn’t work they threaten funding cuts.

      So now the hypocritical whiners are getting a taste of it they cry us all a river.

      Diddums.

      Every time Adern landed a blow I just thought,…’ good on you , – you go get em and go for their throats , lady , – this is long overdue ‘.

      Jacinda Adern simply demonstrated that if people want to play rough , – shes got more than enough mongrel in her to sit them square on their arse if she needs to. Even though obviously she’d prefer not to have to be like that..

      But sometimes, when a rabid dog just wont respond, you need to be proactive , and sometimes,… that means getting aggressive with it to protect people from being harmed further.

      • CLEANGREEN says:

        100% Wild Katipo,

        National are conducting now NAZI style contol of our ‘free press’, as they now are gaging RADIO NZ – and RADIO NZ CEO Paul Thompson obviously by now knows it is being controlled by NATIONAL NOW as his PA just confirmed last night she has informed him of our difficulty in being able to have a RADIO NZ Reporter cover our story after the report Jemma Brackabush from Palmerston North was supposed to come over to HB and cover our story but she even after the first contact after never ad the time to call back when promised to and after days of chasing her finally she has now advised she is ‘to busy’!!!!!!

        My accusation is that now we have clear indisputable evidence of National Government interference in our State run public owned radio network.

        My evidence is here; National are even now doubling down on gagging & controlling & stopping Radio NZ from covering any negative regional public community issues that we are communities are now complaining about National Government inaction!!!!!!!

        See our response below here to our last week beginning after the first leaders debate 1st September 2017 and the week since of trying to get the RADIO NZ to cover our regional transport issues before the election, as they have taken away all the regional reporters now!!!!!!!

        From: Jemma Brackebush [mailto:Jemma.Brackebush@radionz.co.nz]
        Sent: Monday, 4 September 2017 12:20 PM
        To:
        Subject: RE: NOW COMMUNITY GROUPS ARE RECOMMENDED TO BE INCLUDED IN FUTURE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING & TRANSPORT- A government report into the effects of climate change estimates $19 billion of property is at risk from increasing flooding and coastal erosion.

        Hi

        I’ll follow up with you this week. I’ve got a few days off, today and tomorrow, and will be in touch Wednesday. If RNZ are wanting me to come over we’ll need to plan this as I’m about to start on rurals full time as of Monday.

        I’ll give you a call on Wednesday!

        Thanks for your time and information.

        Cheers,

        Jemma Brackebush
        Reporter, Palmerston North
        Mobile 0272535393

        From: Heather Abbott [mailto:Heather.Abbott@radionz.co.nz]
        Sent: Friday, 8 September 2017 3:35 PM
        To:
        Subject: RE: URGENT RESPONSE TO PAUL THOMPSON &PA FOR NEWS REPORTER COVERAGE FROM RADIO NZ. – : Press release; opinion – of National government transport policy for the HB/Gisborne regions.

        Good afternoon

        I will see that your latest email is passed on to Paul Thompson, CEO and Editor-in-Chief, Carol Hirschfeld, Head of News, and Brent Edwards, Director of News Gathering.

        Kind regards

        Heather Abbott | Executive Assistant to Chief Executive & Editor-in-Chief
        RNZ | Level 2, 155 The Terrace | PO Box 123 | Wellington | New Zealand
        DDI +64 4 474 1846 | Mobile +64 272548308
        http://www.rnz.co.nz
        http://www.thewireless.co.nz

        From:
        Sent: Friday, 8 September 2017 3:27 p.m.
        To: Heather Abbott

        Subject: FW: URGENT RESPONSE TO PAUL THOMPSON &PA FOR NEWS REPORTER COVERAGE FROM RADIO NZ. – : Press release; opinion – of National government transport policy for the HB/Gisborne regions.

        Heather Abbott. PA for:
        Paul Thompson Chief Executive.
        Radio NZ.
        8TH September 2017.

        Dear heather. URGENT.
        See attached article in our local paper 5th September as this is our story to be covered please.

        Further to our conversation one week ago we have today been notified by your “rural reporter” Jemma Brackebush that she is too busy to meet us now and cover our community rail issue here in HB/Gisborne.

        So we now request you arrange to supply a regional reporter to come and cover our issue since our original reporter Peter Fowler has been sent overseas from two months now.

        We have no-one to cover our region at all.

        Please notify where from here, Heather?

        Our community group;

        Press release of current National Party Transport Policy for HB/Gisborne regions.

        1st September 2017.

        Last night we watched the first leaders debate on TV One between Jacinda Ardern & Bill English our current PM.

        The debate never actually tackled the thorny issues of transport issues we all face deficits from in our East Coast regions.

        That has provoked the need for our press release to clarify our Community concerns at those current deficiencies we all face in our regions of HB/Gisborne since the National Party have assumed the mantle of governance over our regions and lives.

        When the National Party took over in November 2008 the former Labour lead Government had just bought back the rail system from Toll Rail, an Australian Company and had set aside a track Maintenance Company called Ontrack who were given a $200 Million reserve account to rely on to keep the rail line in service, for the new Kiwirail operator to run their services.

        National’s new Minister of Transport Steven Joyce somehow reorganised the Kiwirail Company and folded the On Track rail line Maintenance Company up and the $200 million somehow disappeared.

        Since 2009 we have witnessed two events of large rail washouts on the rail line between Gisborne and Central HB, first the washout around Otane in Central HB and later the larger washout at Beach Loop near Mahia Northern HB/Gisborne.

        That $200 million was setup for the track maintenance to deal with these washouts, as we have seen many other washouts around NZ rail have been repaired since.

        So we must now ask the National Government: “where is our share of that $200 million to repair the Beach Loop washouts so our rail to Gisborne is finally repaired after being left closed since March 2012?”

        Will this be left for the new Government to find that lost $200 Million that was robbed from our Public Rail Company account?

        We met with the Napier National Party candidate David Elliott six weeks ago about the disastrous “truck Gridlocked roads” causing immense noise, vibrations and air pollution in our local regions especially around the Napier residential areas near the HB Expressway, as we are now confirming that our continuous cameras count over 2400 trucks every day travel on the expressway to the Port of Napier & other areas each day since the rail was cut from the slips.

        We asked for the Minister of Transport Simon Bridges to visit Napier and meet our Community Committee and inspect the issues we face now.

        After three attempts to ask for Simon Bridges to attend a meeting here with his own National Party candidate David Elliott he has declined.

        I expect Mr Bridges knows what a mess he & his Government’s transport policy has now left for us to live with.

        So today when we watched PM Bill English in his first Leaders debate talking about his Government actively going around the country meeting all those business folks, Seafood workers, and truck drivers, to see what issues they had we felt somewhat bemused as every letter request we sent for a meeting was declined.

        How could our Committee try any harder to work directly with the National Party to meet with our Community Committee in Napier as a copy was sent also to PM Bill English just as we had previously sent a massive 105 emails to PM John Key over five years from 2010 to 2015 to come to Napier about the same issues of transport and Mr Key also never answered one of those 105 emails or wanted to meet us.

        So it appears that even our community group has a long history of 16 years working with Government in the past, the National Government do not want to come and discuss transport issues with our community representatives in HB/Gisborne so we need to change this government to get a fair hearing and support for our regions.

        They can’t criticise us for not trying to work with them can they?

        We needed to set the record straight for voters to decide from here.

    • David Stone says:

      Well I just watched on U Tube, and it seemed to me that Jacinda started interjecting when she realised she wasn’t going to get a chance to speak on a topic unless she did. I don’t see how Martyn sees this debate as a great success for Jacinda. Not that she didn’t do all she could under the circumstances, but Bill was prepared with speal to draw in from all over the place to fill all the space he was allowed . And he was allowed to fill it all. Jacinda had to do her own moderating.
      The moderator’s strategy might have been to let him bore the audience to sleep I suppose .
      D J S

  4. Richard Christie says:

    I suspect a major reason for any drop in emigration numbers is due to Australia adopting a stance that makes NZers into second class citizens over there.

    The bolt hole to Australia always benefited the right wing as people hurt by right wing policies packed up and left for Australia, taking with them their opportunity to vote the bastards out.

    • lloyd jordan says:

      OHH WE CAN STILL HELP TO VOTE THEM OUT.. OUR VOTE COUNTS AS LONG AS WE POP BACK TO NZ EVERY 3 YEARS

    • WILD KATIPO says:

      Nailed it completely and utterly , mate !.

      And that’s ALWAYS WHY we’ve had wimp politicians in NZ accepting anything the Aussies dish up to New Zealanders. And another reason is because almost ALL OF THE BANKS in NZ are AUSTRALIAN OWNED.

      And you can bet your bottom dollar there so many vested interests in keeping that status quo you would never be able to shake a stick at !!!

  5. esoteric pineapples says:

    I “liked” the part where Bill said that even though National would raise the retirement age up to 67 people would still be able to enjoy a quarter of a century of retirement – like 67 to 92 are the best days of our lives.

    What Jacinda might have pointed out was that those two years lost are the best two years of retirement when people are more likely to be fit and well enough to enjoy them. There are not the same as taking two years out of someone in their twenties (for example).

  6. CLEANGREEN says:

    “Bill started berating a Transport boss for criticising him by stating that his Government has bent over backwards for roading.——-

    —-so why wasn’t he praising him? (Bill)

    It’s like Bill couldn’t understand his political bribe to build more roads wasn’t even working with the industry that directly benefited from it.”

    Very true that statement Martyn.

    We in HB/Gisborne have long seen our trucking companies here (Mainfreght, Weatheralls transport, and Halls, all have been calling for rail services!!!!!!!

    We know these trucking guys and they meet with us; and stated that the roads are shit & their trucks are being worn out hauling freight across the windy steep, narrow roads between Napier port to the Port of Tauranga.

    They are going broke doing this and have several times asked government to restore rail so they can use rail to move the heavy freight so they can offer their customers better movement of freight with less damage to their perishable produce as rail only spoils 5% of perishables while road freight they loose up to 20% losses.

    We had our first press release printed in the Wairoa Star two days ago and has generated a lot of interest as this press release shows how ‘out of touch Government really is because they now refuse to meet with communities to sort it out.

    We hope the new Government works with us all now after the election.
    Press release of current National Party Transport Policy for HB/Gisborne regions.

    Press release.

    8th September 2017.

    “Where is the rail money”

    Last week we watched the first leaders debate on TV One between Jacinda Ardern & Bill English our current PM.

    The debate never actually tackled the thorny issues of transport issues we all face deficits from in our East Coast regions.

    That has provoked the need for our press release to clarify our Community concerns at those current deficiencies we all face in our regions of HB/Gisborne since the National Party have assumed the mantle of governance over our regions and lives.

    When the National Party took over in November 2008 the former Labour lead Government had just bought back the rail system from Toll Rail, an Australian Company and had set aside a track Maintenance Company called Ontrack who were given a $200 Million reserve account to rely on to keep the rail line in service, for the new Kiwirail operator to run their services.

    National’s new Minister of Transport Steven Joyce somehow reorganised the Kiwirail Company and folded the On Track rail line Maintenance Company up and the $200 million somehow disappeared.

    Since 2009 we have witnessed two events of large rail washouts on the rail line between Gisborne and Central HB, first the washout around Otane in Central HB and later the larger washout at Beach Loop near Mahia Northern HB/Gisborne.

    That $200 million was setup for the track maintenance to deal with these washouts, as we have seen many other washouts around NZ rail have been repaired since.

    So we must now ask the National Government: “where is our share of that $200 million to repair the Beach Loop washouts so our rail to Gisborne is finally repaired after being left closed since March 2012?”

    Will this be left for the new Government to find that lost $200 Million that was robbed from our Public Rail Company account?

    We met with the Napier National Party candidate David Elliott six weeks ago about the disastrous “truck Gridlocked roads” causing immense noise, vibrations and air pollution in our local regions especially around the Napier residential areas near the HB Expressway, as we are now confirming that our continuous cameras count over 2400 trucks every day travel on the expressway to the Port of Napier & other areas each day since the rail was cut from the slips.

    We asked for the Minister of Transport Simon Bridges to visit Napier and meet our Community Committee and inspect the issues we face now.

    After three attempts to ask for Simon Bridges to attend a meeting here with his own National Party candidate David Elliott he has declined.

    I expect Mr Bridges knows what a mess he & his Government’s transport policy has now left for us to live with.

    So today when we watched PM Bill English in his first Leaders debate talking about his Government actively going around the country meeting all those business folks, Seafood workers, and truck drivers, to see what issues they had we felt somewhat bemused as every letter request we sent for a meeting was declined.

    How could our Committee try any harder to work directly with the National Party to meet with our Community Committee in Napier as a copy was sent also to PM Bill English just as we had previously sent a massive 105 emails to PM John Key over five years from 2010 to 2015 to come to Napier about the same issues of transport and Mr Key also never answered one of those 105 emails or wanted to meet us.

    So it appears that even our community group has a long history of 16 years working with Government in the past, the National Government do not want to come and discuss transport issues with our community representatives in HB/Gisborne so we need to change this government to get a fair hearing and support for our regions.

    They can’t criticise us for not trying to work with them can they?

    We needed to set the record straight for voters to decide from here.

    • Once was Tim says:

      You’re fairly passionate about rail @CG – and understandably so.
      We’ve already just about reached “peak road”, which is why people like the Mainfreight Chief are also advocates for a decent rail system.
      That Tauranga Expressway (Toll Road) that 10 Bridges constantly refers to is a fucking joke for a start. A 2 lane in either direction highway, which if you watch at ANY time day or night has minimal traffic, and certainly a single lane in either direction would have sufficed and kept the Natzi’s trucking lobby content.
      The thing about rail is that the politicians keep appointing their acolytes to run it (or rather run it down). And one of the problems has always been the choice of rolling stock – whether lumbering great ex British cast off’s that are only worthwhile to run at peak times between Masterton and Wellington, or Chinese wagons with suspect brakes or Locos full of asbestos).
      It’s almost as if they design it all to fail and thereby justify mothballing and closures.
      I note the latest suggestions to provide a passenger system between the triangle (Auckland, Hamilton Tauranga) which is great.
      We’d have had viable passenger transport in many locations as I’ve probably mentioned in the past – between New Plymouth and Stratford, Wellington and Masterton, Gisborne to points south, Christchurch to the West Coast, Christchurch to Picton, probably Christchurch to Dunedin with modular ‘bus on wheels’ type rolling stock.
      We could have systems such as are now operating in India (roll on roll off trucks on wagons going long distance). You get the trucks off the highways and simply have them operating locally from station to depots.

      There just seems to be this anti-rail religion amongst the dipsticks running our transport systems.
      Why – after the ChCh devastation and subsequent rebuild has there been no consideration for a rail system from airport to city – why no loop using existing track and relatively minor new lengths that would enable rail services linking Lyttleton, Rolleston, points north and City? Just recently someone else has seen the opportunities but as far as I can see, the powers that be seem to see them as some sort of nutter.
      Why not an investment in rail (as in using smallish modular bus on rail type rolling stock) linking Dunedin Airport to City and points North – eliminating that tedious shit of a journey by road fleecing anyone that gets off a plane)
      The need and eventual transition to rail is inevitable. Just a bloody shame that muppets can’t seem to see the bleeding obvious – or maybe they can and just want to clip the ticket while they can

      • CLEANGREEN says:

        100% Tim

        We concur see my post above; where last night 8/9/17 after contacting RADIO NZ CEO Paul Thompson’s office we found out they are blocking negative reporting of truck transport.

        We have finally found out that government have deliberately gagged RADIO NZ from covering negative reports from communities over “truck gridlock” these national politicians are the enemy of the state working against our communities health & well being!!!!!!!

  7. Patrick says:

    “Young people aren’t leaving because changes to student loans including arresting students at the airport have made it more difficult to leave.”
    Lucky Jacinda didn’t make a ridiculous statement like that.
    Even Bill would have been fast enough on his feet to ask how many students had been arrested and why is it only students who are allowed to go overseas.
    What about the vast majority of young people who are not students?
    Surely they are allowed to leave for a better life overseas if they want to.
    Or have I got that wrong?

    • Danyl Strype says:

      “Even Bill would have been fast enough on his feet to ask how many students had been arrested…”

      The threat of arrest doesn’t require a lot of examples made, but there have been a few high-profile arrests covered in the news media. For example:
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/third-person-arrested-new-zealand-not-paying-student-loan-a7393601.html

      “What about the vast majority of young people who are not students?”

      Now that even getting a job hairdressing or making coffee requires a diploma from a polytech or PTE, the majority of young people these days actually do have student loans. Worse, the bums-on-seats funding model for uni and polytech institutions pushes them into accepting students even if they *know* they are not capable of passing the courses they are signing up for. As a result, there are many people who have the student debt but not the qualifications, which is incredibly unjust, and does severely limit their ability to emigrate for better opportunities.

      As the Independent article linked above reports, young kiwis now owe over a billion dollars in students loans. User pays education has failed on every measure. Failed to improve the lives of all students, failed to supply enough of the tradespeople, teachers, nurses, etc that the country needs, failed to be financially sustainable. It’s time to accept this failure, and start a transition back to tertiary education being publicly-funded, just like primary and secondary. Thrilled to see that an incoming Labour-Greens government would start making immediate steps in that direction.

      “Or have I got that wrong?”

      Sure seems like it.

      • Patrick says:

        As there are approx 1.792 million New Zealanders between the age of 15 to 25 ( couldn’t find figures of 17 – 25 ) I think it would be very difficult for you to prove your assertion that
        “the majority of young people these days actually do have student loans.”
        There are 177,000 at Uni and an unknown number at polytechs ( couldn’t find those figures) but it sure isn’t the majority.
        Young people are not heading overseas in nearly the numbers they were and it has absolutely nothing to do with student loans.

  8. JustMe says:

    I am going to be crude but did Bill English regularly keep his left hand in his pants pocket as if he was playing pocket billiards? Did he, as per usual, not even look at Jacinda but kept looking ahead of himself in an almost robotic manner? He is constantly pull up about the past Labour government of almost a decade ago whilst denying there is a housing crisis especially in Auckland, a homelessness crisis in mostly the cities around NZ and the fact many low income NZers in deliberately kept low income NZ are living in poverty? I have already decided whom I will be voting for an it’s DEFINITELY NOT Bill English. Neither will I vote for ANY wannabe National MP in our electorate. Jacinda has my vote.

    • John W says:

      english didn’t mention that the last Labour govt left the books in the black and warned not to cut taxes further.

      He also didn’t mention corporate tax being relieved and govt income shifting the corporate share onto the workers and unemployed by way of GST increase.

      english forgot to cover that Kiwis by way of referendum, clearly showed they did not want their state assets sold yet NACT ignored that an sold them and that those assets are now in mainly off shore hands.

      • WILD KATIPO says:

        So that’s not democratic.

        And if its not democratic , and specifically against the wishes of the people and to the detriment of the people as they see fit , and there was no mandate given …. what is it ?

        There’s a word for it.

        And its called treason.

    • CLEANGREEN says:

      100% correct there.

  9. Marc says:

    Sorry, the debate in Christchurch was very vocal, partisan, almost childish. I watch the minor party leaders’ debate now, there is some stuff to consider, some stuff worries me, but neither Labour nor Nats will be able to govern alone.

  10. Michael says:

    I believe that the stardust will settle before the election and New Zealanders will opt to go for the safe and true option of an ongoing successful National Government under the strong leadership of Bill English.

    Further, I believe National is just waiting to pull its own trump card in Paula Bennett. Bennett is hugely charasmatic and is easily Ardern’s intellectual equal, and National needs to focus on her charm and wit to drown out the Media’s facilitation with the Labour leader.

    I trust that NZers are smart enough to vote for economic success and right thinking over Labour’s confused and vague economic policies. Deep down most people understand that a vote for Labour is a vote for economic crisis and mismanagement. Only a vote for Bill English and Paula Bennett will keep this country on track.

    I appreciate that Labour is doing well in the polls but mark my words, we will be seeing a 4th term National-led Government by the end of this month. Most of the voting public will be breathing a sigh of relief when we do.