What most NZers seem to utterly miss in the immigration scam

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We seem to be allergic in this country to debating our ridiculous immigration and migration policy.

The Government doesn’t mind because the tens and tens and tens of thousands let into NZ each year  keeps their property bubble inflated and makes economic growth look far better than it really is, and anyone who raises it on the Left gets accused of being a Winston Peter’s xenophobe who is little better than a Klu Klux Klan member.

It’s time to call bullshit on all of that.

Our Housing Crisis is being driven by speculative greed and an immigration policy that has simply opened the flood gates. Our infrastructure is groaning to a halt because it can’t cope with this flood. Our tourism infrastructure is buckling. Our social infrastructure isn’t coping and the joke infrastructure into the regions who are actually exporting and making money compounds this problem.

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Leaving things to the free market in a  country as small as NZ is a recipe for gross inequality, and that’s what we are getting.

Immigration and migration isn’t an issue about race!  What most NZers seem to utterly miss in the immigration debate is that it’s a giant scam for corporations and employers!

Mike Treen helps break down the illusion in his must read blog this week detailing how employers have manipulated immigration policy to allow a slave market of lowly paid workers to flood our country.

It is a bewilderingly vicious calculation to avoid having to train NZers and pay them appropriately for their skills while importing workers who know nothing of their rights and are constantly exploited.

This impacts all the social infrastructure because these lowly paid workers drag on the system and it creates friction between the working classes who are now competing with cheaper labour who have been imported.

Why the hell are we importing workers for chefs, dairy cattle farmers, cafe/restaurant managers, retail managers, carpenters, dairy cattle farm workers, retail supervisors, aged or disabled carers, truck drivers and registered aged care nurses???

Is there any NZers in NZ who can say with a straight face that we can’t train NZers to be chefs, dairy cattle farmers, cafe/restaurant managers, retail managers, carpenters, dairy cattle farm workers, retail supervisors, aged or disabled carers, truck drivers and registered aged care nurses? These industries are ripping off the people of NZ by undercutting wage prices and training courses so they can import exploitable migrants!

The obviousness of this exploitation seems to be utterly missed when we debate and discuss immigration. This is a rort on a massively corrupt scale and I don’t believe we should allow xenophobe name calling to call out  those industries who are importing these exploited workers.

We have to tackle the demand side of our housing crisis and its pressures on our infrastructure and clamping down on these worker visa scams will also force those industries to invest in kiwi workers and pay kiwi wages.

Enough is enough!

49 COMMENTS

  1. However, as we learned this week if you are a foreigner on a “Student” visa then you instantly become a “New Zealander”, (no residency, no citizenship or any part thereof required) if you just so happen to buy property, according to Nationals fraudulent foreign property buyer stats.

    Just how a poor foreign student can buy property in Auckland is another question altogether but it does in no small way take you inside Nationals use of immigration to cheat nearly every system this country has to protect its own people from exploitation!

    Anyway we would be without a taxi industry and Chorus and Noel Leeming would have to shut their doors were it not for National, as they would have to employ Kiwi’s and we can’t do that kind of crazy shit now can we?

    • I have come across a few mostly Chinese (Mainland) students, who either must have had wealthy parents, or some other access to money, as they did indeed buy their own apartments in the Auckland CBD, and after their studies some sold them again, at a capital gain. Others stayed, as you suggest, to suddenly get employment, or start a business or did whatever else, to become NZ permanent residents.

      I also know of a person, who worked with an agent (non NZ agent, but with PR), to create accounts for a small business, which helped the person get PR, although the accounts were based on thin air or even less. This is anecdotal, but reliable, and more cannot be said, such may be isolated cases, but they do happen.

      • I had a Chinese client who admitted that the reason she set up her company was so she could pay herself enough to bring her parents over.

    • @ XRAY – Good post.

      So is it also a possibility these student property owning (no doubt with parent’s help) pseudo “NZers” will vote National as a result of their new non citizen/resident “status”? I’m thinking this will be the case. Could even be part of the deal perhaps.

      John Key’s National government, corrupt and rotten to the core as always!

      • I think you are onto something there Mary & XRAY,

        We had a mainland Chinese student in our home as a student in 2003 and he was here in some agreement long term as he used to go back to China and come back every two months and he eventually moved out of the east coast and set up in Auckland, so this is a rort and needs investigating now before we are completely swamped and colonialized by Chinese.

        Bloody criminals these NatZ.

  2. Very good article Martyn. I totally agree with what you are saying but in some sectors it is damn near impossible to get Kiwis to do the boring slog the job has become. The Dairy industry is a good example. We used to have the best system in the world for young people to work their way up from farm labouring to farm ownership. What with all the farm amalgamations and increasingly larger herds ( all in the name of greed) the farm owners only require people to milk gazillions of cows and not have a life and to do it for peanuts. Hence the importation of Phillipinos to rip off.

  3. The Nats are content importing skilled labour, and meanwhile there are 160,000 unemployed New Zealanders looking for jobs. Any other time, there would be howls of protest.

    But interest rates are low. Mortgages rates are low. So the public’s expectations are equally low.

  4. THIS….IS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING FOR A LONG , LONG TIME.

    It isn’t about ethnicity’s, race or whatever – its about our own country – are we saying we are that incompetent that we cant produce our own workers anymore?

    Or was it the ‘ policy creep’ from the neo liberal 1980- present and the slogans and propaganda to soften us up such as ” we must be tolerant”. ” we must be a diverse and multicultural society ”

    Rubbish. That was a forked tongue guise to enact more globalistic policy’s to divide and create a working poor class.

    Now there’s nothing wrong with being tolerant and there’s nothing wrong with a multicultural society – but when it starts to impact and be manipulated as a tool to enrich the already rich and displace the NZ populace in favour of cheap workers and embed low wages… THAT’S when its time to literally call time on this insidious .

    We have absolutely no obligation to throw open the doors to the world at the expense of our own people and infrastructure.

    No other country does that and no other country wastes times navel gazing and being neurotic about ‘ racism’ as this country does when it comes to having some spine and standing up for whats right for its people first – and THEN – out of its bounty extend the hand of friendship.

    AND EVEN THEN … refugee’s FIRST!!! They could do with a safe place to live and bring up families- not these moneyed characters who so often as not don’t give a shit about our history, culture etc… for many … its a damn piggy bank to be cracked open wide.

    Its time we developed again a sense of nationhood and stopped walking on eggs over this issue – we owe it to ourselves.

    • So-right Wild Katipo,

      Jonkey doodle dandy has now effectively dispossessed our nation and it’s people for his preference of pouring any other poor nations flotsam & jetsam.

      Most historians will reflect in years to come as this being similar to Genocide!!!!
      Evidenced by Martyn’s statement that Key is keen “to allow a slave market of lowly paid workers to flood our country” and helicoptered them into our country to cause an underclass of poor Kiwi’s to create a divide & rule mentality akin to what happened during the Germany 1930’s with the Gipsies and Jews before the second world war.

      Perhaps they are following this same system on control and divide our country and he should be locked up for genocide.

      “Key; 2009 ” I don’t want to see you as tenants in your own land”

      Bloody deceptive, criminal, Traitorous, lair, Martyn! go get the bastard!!!

    • You’re so very right along with all the other comments above this one. I have been boring people on this topic for years now. The other aspect of immigration is the money brought into the country to speculate on our homes adds to our GDP, whether it’s a student or an adult. Our GDP is crap when you take away this portion of it and then percentage-ise it against Govt Debt is actually scary.
      The hoards who now compete with our own for the few jobs available is cruel, and the disdain for our own unemployed as a result borders on treason. And the clauses in the FTA’s (which we are supposed to be forever grateful for) guaranteeing a certain number of immigrants is going to be difficult to unpick.

  5. Respect for your courage, Martyn, it is indeed a topic we need to discuss more frankly and seriously, as we let the government get away causing incredible liabilities for all of us to pay in the future.

    I am tired of this labeling as being “xenophobic”, as that is a mischievous argument so often used to simply shut down the debate, so no arguments will be accepted.

    As long as we talk about immigration without singling out certain ethnic or cultural groups that some may like to hold responsible for some issues, it is a totally acceptable topic to discuss right now. I have raised this one for a while, but have observed how overly sensitive some are re this.

    Immigration is being exploited for political and economic reasons, to keep the appearance that our economy is “growing”, which it is not, it is not even growing with immigration, that is on a per capita basis, as Steven (Goebbels) Joyless Joyce (excuse the pun) admitted on Q+A this morning. Corin Dann finally got it out of him, that the economy grew barely by 0.5 percent on a per capita basis last year!

    http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/jobs-wages-migrants-leadership-steven-joyce-video-6485554
    (see after 3 min into the audio!)

    I have over recent years witnessed how immigrants are being exploited in this country, legally and illegally. Some are proper immigrants others students on visas here, allowed to work part time up to 20 hours a week. I have them come to my door trying to sell all kinds of stuff, they come also as fund-raisers and whatever else.

    A few years ago I took in a boarder from Korea. Before he had stayed at a family home in Mt Albert, where a Tongan NZ family housed up to a dozen of boarders, at 3 to 4 in a room, and offered nothing much for $ 200 a week in board, not even proper breakfast. They had to sleep in bunks, got no lunch, had rationed times to use the bath and so, and little freedoms. Most were overseas students.

    He was surprised he could have his own room and enjoy normal freedoms in my flat. He went to two English language institutes, who charged him exorbitant fees, and offered stuff all help with study, so he had to also work part time, late nights and so in some restaurants, one being run by Japanese. He was paid under the table but got less than the minimum wage.

    There are heaps of people exploiting migrants, doing all kinds of study and jobs. Due to recent law changes some practices have become less, but we still have many put up with endless shit.

    In being allowed to work, and some also working illegally, they keep wages here down, or force them to drop. We have workers on building sites now, working in trades jobs for the minimum wage, or after paying for accommodation for less than that.

    John Key will take us further and invite Chinese corporations to build the many new homes, apartment blocks, town houses and whatever, also bringing some labourers with them, and they will do it all at minimum costs and earn a good profit, this will most likely be enabled if the Unitary Plan is accepted as recommended.

    With minimum rules for building and developing prepare for this city I still live in to change radically over coming decades, to become a little Asia, with minimum rules and conditions, where the upper and upper middle class may feel comfortable as their living standards may be maintained. But the working poor and other poor will gain little or nothing, not even get affordable homes.

    We already have half the staff at Pakn’Save where I often shop be young and not so young women be from the Philippines, working at just over the minimum wage on long shifts.

    The Upper middle class and even remaining middle class seem to have no scruples when it comes to get cheaper groceries at 24/7 conditions at supermarket chains or in the many cherished restaurants all over the place.

    It is time to wake up and stand up, and make sure that conditions are protected, and that immigrants are not conned into coming here, or attracted with false promises, to fuel the housing market and artificially boost an otherwise weak and poorly structured economy. It is time for serious discussion and even action, to hold these criminals in government to account.

    • It’s interesting that our friend Mr Joyce does not seem to respect what the some of the hi level business people are saying ie Jennings… He seems to believe his own ideology over what others who you would think he would respect are saying.

  6. Well said, Martyn. And well writ, Mike.

    Adjust our annual GDP growth for population (i.e. this grand immigration PONZI racket) – and take out the Christchurch rebuild – and we’ve been flatlining for a decade.

    That’s what happens when you have FX speculating chump masquerading as a economic mastermind at the helm.

  7. “Our Housing Crisis is being driven by speculative greed and an immigration policy that has simply opened the flood gates.”

    I disagree. Our housing crisis is driven by the way we think about housing – we consider housing as an economic investment. That is what is driving our housing crisis. The actors are immigrants and foreign buyers, but they’re no more of a problem than local investors (and even regular homeowners who vote for capital gains).

    If we keep blaming immigrants and foreign speculators, then nothing much will change (we just make housing more profitable to local speculators, and they’ll make more of a killing). We need to blame the way we think about housing, and change that. We need to talk about economic ideology.

    “Immigration and migration isn’t an issue about race!”

    True, but it depends how we are talking about it. Creating lists of people with Chinese sounding last names is not the way to go about it (especially when Labour’s housing policies are aimed at the middle and upper class). Also, simplistic rhetoric about ‘hard working Kiwis’ and ‘selling off our country’ needs to be rethought. We have plenty of Kiwis who have made millions of unearned dollars in the property market. We need to talk about the wealthy who are sucking the poor dry, and many of those wealthy have a Kiwi passport. If we talk about class then that will include foreign investors too. If we talk about foreign investors then the wealthy Kiwi leeches will exploit us more.

    “Mike Treen helps break down the illusion in his must read blog this week detailing how employers have manipulated immigration policy to allow a slave market of lowly paid workers to flood our country.”

    Yes, but Mike sees the problem as more about worker’s rights than immigrants. Mike rightly frames it as a problem of labour rights in his last paragraph:

    “As a first step all workers currently in New Zealand must have full legal rights – including the right to change their employer which workers on essential skills visas cannot do. All workers currently in New Zealand should be given first preference to take up permanent residence if they want to.”

    We do need to rethink our immigration policies, especially our skills based immigration policies and class based immigration policies, but we should fight for the wages and rights of all workers, regardless of where they are born.

    I heard employees used to train people on the jobs, but they don’t now. When did employers get so damn lazy? We need to make them train young people on the job again (either by carrot or stick).

  8. Spot on Bomber great post and very timely.
    The race card is always trotted out when anyone wants too seriously debate immigration so much so that people who havent a racist bone in their body but can see the lunacy of the current levels have stopped talking about it.
    Everything the current administration does has has severe long term flow on effects for all of us dependent on our poor wage and salaries.
    Key- English want a low wage economy thats obvious and they are creating a lower one than we have at the present time using immigration and foreign workers too do it.
    Serious debate and a rethink is needed but we dont give issues like this a breath of air in our current media enviroment one of this governments most lethal weapons as it shuts the issue down.
    Right wingers always complain about repressive communist and socialist governments of old because amongst other things no freedom of speech !
    Well the right wing control this country in the same way by supressing negative news stories and controversial policies and the effect on our country too allow them to govern without dissent or alternative view points other than their own.
    We need control back from these people but my fear is it will take a long time and massive damage will be done while we wait.

  9. Severely disabled I need home support services. However I’m mostly subjected to untrained immigrants who have no idea what they’re doing. (Did you know that cleaning the bathroom involves simply pushing the toilet flush button?) They’re often careless as well as unskilled. English communication is difficult as they don’t understand and haven’t a clue so don’t do the job properly. Instead they damage my property, steal it or expect me to give them my nice things. They are dirty w/ little or no knowledge of even how to peg out the washing without ruining it. I need house work chores done but many haven’t learned how to wash dishes in hot water, just under the cold running tap. Some reek as though they don’t know how to wash themselves in hot or any water. So many kiwis who could do the job but the agencies sponsor the 3rd world people for immigration without their employees having any training or appreciation of our way of life.

    • Who is your service provider, go and lay a complaint, if it is as described, or contact an advocate. But I know that the system we have is hollow and does not deliver, even the HDC is a useless Officer of Parliament, hardly worth our time:
      https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.wordpress.com/2015/10/04/how-the-n-z-health-and-disability-commissioner-let-off-a-biased-designated-doctor/

      http://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.wordpress.com/2014/05/27/health-and-disability-commissioner-can-we-trust-in-hdc-independence/

      https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.wordpress.com/2016/07/24/the-new-zealand-ombudsman-fairness-for-all-an-empty-slogan-for-some/

      But the society we have is now sick, and we have a government that is close to being criminal in neglect, and that uses outsourced service providers that offer no service, for zilch money. Also have family carers been shafted with recent government decisions, even if some won at the courts.

      I really feel sorry for you, I wish I could offer more help.

      • I had a Kiwi friend who did this type of work – but it was for a family where the mother was sick and someone had to look after the children and do the housework.

        Basically she was paid the minimum wage, it was in a rural area and had to drive for miles and her car needed much more maintenance. She was not paid I think for her time getting to work and her car needed expensive repairs all the time.

        Anyway she had to give it up, because although she loved the kids, it was just not worth it as her true costs were not covered in particular the costs associated with the travel and not being given a company car but expected to use her own car free of charge while on minimum wages.

        Again this is pretending that Kiwis are not interested in working, while finding that it is easier to exploit people who are new to the country than locals.

        • I once had a capable kiwi homehelper who lived in the city 3 weeks out of 4 in order to afford to do this job and live. She was from a remote rural northland region where the travelling costs outweighed her wages. Moreover they were expected to accept less than award or minimum wages or not get the job. Even the registered nurses w/ BN degrees took lower wages in order to remain in their area and serve their people. The employer/provider being a darn hauora. In fact the rural hauora employ untrained staff on cut rate wages so that disabled like me are discriminated against. A wheelchair user, my attempts to shuffle/mobilise mocked and laughed at by the uneducated staff. On obesogenic steroid treatment, my weightgain taunted, criticised, I was constantly teased by the same unregulated unskilled employees. The lack of training so obvious, one hauora employee accused my need for mobility transport as “ripping the system” because of her uneducated attitudes towards disabled/ incapacitated. So women make the sacrifice to live the city and work alongside their 3rd world counterparts or get no opportunities in the rural setting. The agencies won’t invest in proper training when its an unregulated & inexpensive workforce. My doctors are aware that community or home based – as opposed to institutional care is a way of the future and money is to be made. Cheap 3rd world immigrants are an easy and vulnerable workforce to exploit.

      • My replies disappeared. I feel sorry for other clients too vulnerable to speak out because the next place for them will be institutional care.

      • Thanks Mike. My reply vanished but yes I’ve done the H&DC. By requesting basic rights I’m labelled as a “difficult” client because I hear other clients do not want to rock the boat. They’re too vulnerable, without a voice. I complained the immigrant 3rd world staff were unskilled and untrained but was shut down with the provider saying they do “train” their staff. What they don’t say is its not training in essential house hold hygiene or basic chores. I complained about damaged clothing so was told I had to tell them how to hang out the laundry on the washing line and to monitor the staff so the agency can give them “coaching”. Clearly the immigrants don’t know what they’re doing because they’ve had no understanding of our way of life and aren’t trained because its a temporary job to get sponsorship for immigration. Or if one helper with a severe anxiety disorder was like a bull in a china shop, routinely smashing & wrecking my things each visit, I’d signed a breakage waiver. I never waived my H&DC or Consumer Guarantees act rights to reasonable skill & care. I understand more vulnerable clients who’re afraid to complain. For them, the next step will be institutional care and so they put up with the untrained immigrants who have no training in household hygiene basics and no understanding of our way of life. One thing to “wash” the dishes under the cold tap only but some don’t even know how to use soap and hot water on their own bodies, so pong so much I wish they’d cleaned their stale spice smelling rank armpits & stinky vaginas too. So yes the immigrants are being exploited just as vulnerable sick, disabled, incapacitated, or frail elderly are. Immigrant staff, sick disabled or frail elderly clients, we are all being taken advantage of for the govts immigration policies. The provider is a church charity agency, so draw your own conclusions.

  10. Again, nothing will change with the Nats at the helm… They need to be voted out, simple as that.
    New Zealand will continue to spiral downwards until they are gone.
    They are shipping in votes, they don’t care about New Zealanders, they never have. They are lining their pockets as hard as they can go.
    The last 8 years has been upsetting to watch, as I’m sure many others on this blog would agree with. We care, that’s why we comment.

    • They will never be voted out when they are importing hundreds of colonist voters on a weekly basis. Again, only an organised army of armed patriots that literally throw them out on their arses will achieve that You can keeping talking about it for another decade, but ultimately that is the only thing that will work.

  11. At last. Hallelujah! I can stop being a racist xenophobic p***k. I really don’t care where immigrants come from. I was brought to NZ aged 5 years. Like all 50 something Kiwis I feel that I have invested a lifetime making this country a place for my children, for our young people. Surely they come first. We dont have the skills? We havelots of clever capable young who can learn. Im festooned with IT “specialists ” from London, Joburg, Mumbai who have lots of certificates and are generally not up to the pre publicity. Lets give locals first cut. The easy way to force employers to invest and train is to deny the visas.

  12. Bomber, the majority of these workers are willingly exploited, because they simply want residency. It is worth pointing out that the overwhelming majority of employers who exploit migrant workers are migrants themselves. There is no “we”. There is no “our”. Widespread inequality is already here. Civil war will follow. How many foreign fighters would flock to your cause if you promised them residency/citizenship for them and their clan after the government was violently overthrown and replaced?

  13. Immigration controls are racist
    Immigration controls are racist
    IMMIGRATION CONTROLS ARE RACIST!

    It is a human right to freedom of movement. That human right means eff all if you go and put in the qualifier “as long as it’s not to here”. You are privileging people born in this country over those born in a different country – you are denying them their human rights.

    Every time. Every single time you try to make this “Left wing anti-immigration” argument you play right into the hands of the racist right. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Stop it. It’s bad. Stop it.

    You’re concerned about workers rights? Keep on talking about workers rights, and stop falling into the obvious and idiotic trap of making it about immigration. You DO talk about workers rights, so it’s not like you’ll be silent, it’s not like there’s nothing to fight back on.

    Concerned about the housing crisis? Why waste time and breath pillorying immigrants when Kiwi landlords are being rapacious ruthless raiders, how about actually having a polemic against them which isn’t muddied by populist, racist rhetoric about immigration.

    Once again:

    IMMIGRATION CONTROLS ARE RACIST.
    End. of.

  14. Immigration controls are racist
    Immigration controls are racist
    IMMIGRATION CONTROLS ARE RACIST!

    It is a human right to freedom of movement. That human right means eff all if you go and put in the qualifier “as long as it’s not to here”. You are privileging people born in this country over those born in a different country – you are denying them their human rights.

    Every time. Every single time you try to make this “Left wing anti-immigration” argument you play right into the hands of the racist right. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Stop it. It’s bad. Stop it.

    You’re concerned about workers rights? Keep on talking about workers rights, and stop falling into the obvious and idiotic trap of making it about immigration. You DO talk about workers rights, so it’s not like you’ll be silent, it’s not like there’s nothing to fight back on.

    Concerned about the housing crisis? Why waste time and breath pillorying immigrants when Kiwi landlords are being rapacious ruthless raiders, how about actually having a polemic against them which isn’t muddied by populist, racist rhetoric about immigration.

    Once again:

    IMMIGRATION CONTROLS ARE RACIST.
    End. of.

  15. Immigration controls are racist
    Immigration controls are racist
    IMMIGRATION CONTROLS ARE RACIST!

    It is a human right to freedom of movement. That human right means eff all if you go and put in the qualifier “as long as it’s not to here”. You are privileging people born in this country over those born in a different country – you are denying them their human rights.

    Every time. Every single time you try to make this “Left wing anti-immigration” argument you play right into the hands of the racist right. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Stop it. It’s bad. Stop it.

    You’re concerned about workers rights? Keep on talking about workers rights, and stop falling into the obvious and idiotic trap of making it about immigration. You DO talk about workers rights, so it’s not like you’ll be silent, it’s not like there’s nothing to fight back on.

    Concerned about the housing crisis? Why waste time and breath pillorying immigrants when Kiwi landlords are being rapacious ruthless raiders, how about actually having a polemic against them which isn’t muddied by populist, racist rhetoric about immigration.

    Once again:

    IMMIGRATION CONTROLS ARE RACIST.
    End. of.

    • Hooray, yeah, we have space to house a few more million here, I suppose, and employ and feed them. Most still get fed also in Bangla Desh, I hear, maybe you want us to be lifted up, ahem, down, to their level and standard of living?

    • What you are calling for is straight out of the communist party rule book, so the fact that you call immigration control left wing is astonishing.

      What we are really seeing is an elite that can turn the tap on and drive down local wages and working conditions. Migrants don’t benefit, they just end up in low paid jobs competing with the local poor. In countries with generous benefit entitlements, like the UK, migrants send taxpayer funded benefits back to the home country, not to feed the poor, but to build luxury homes in Poland and Romania. The point of the EU is that there is free migration between countries, so it meets your criteria of free migration. However those living in the more socialist countries (like the UK and most northern European countries) are having resources and money sucked out of the economy and into the pockets of the wealthy abroad. Meanwhile the poor are suffering lack of jobs and low wages – that’s why they voted for Brexit. The elite benefit from cheap labour and low costs, which allows them to pay higher CEO salaries. It’s the elite who benefit from open migration, not the poor or migrants. Look what happened when the British Empire moved in.

    • You may be sincere in your belief but to ignore immigration plays right into the hands of the business sector who just want more consumers as well as the shonkey employers and transnational companies who care not about NZ just their profit.

      Immigration is a valid issue and regulation of immigration must be in place to protect our economy, our lifestyle, our political agenda towards planning and facilitating infrastructure, employment, housing, health system, transportation and a plethora of other considerations such as the whole environmental landscape.

      Hands off plays right into the hands of the profit takers who carry no responsibility for consequences.

  16. @ ALWAYS ANTI RACIST – weirdly although having plenty of rapacious ruthless raiding Kiwi landlords, a few years ago you could still get buy a house 3 bedroom house in Auckland for $350,000 on a freehold 500m2 section or find a place to rent under $400 per week.

    Now we need a new unitary plan and people are talking about $800,000 and paying Body corp fees on top.

    The question is, what happened in the last few years to cause the housing crisis?

    Of course we do have a free market approach so anyone of the 7.4 billion people can buy a house in Auckland and actually under the rich migrant investors category you can gain residency by ‘investing’ in property here.

    • “The question is, what happened in the last few years to cause the housing crisis?”

      National and Key is what happened. No amount of denying and “what took place under Labour for 9 years” can ever be used as a pathetic excuse for the destruction of kiwi home ownership under National. Time for kiwis to fight back at the polls next year.

  17. Absolutely correct. And as soon as they become permanent residents, they vote nashnull to keep the floodgates open!

  18. Thanks for your comments. Yes I have been through several of the so called home care coys with similar results. However the #Presbyterians agency in particular have a penchant for sponsoring 3rd world immigrants (esp. Asians) but not training them in household hygiene as we came to know it in NZ. And yes I have indeed involved the H & DC a few times already. People like me who do complain are labelled as “difficult” while others are shut down. For example when I complained about one “carer” who smashed wrecked or broke anything, I was told I’d signed the breakaged waiver. She was like a bull in a china shop and no I did not waive my H & DC or Consumer Guarantees rights to reasonable care or skill. I complained about the obvious lack of training but again dismissed with the agency their staff were all “trained” – just clearly not in house hold hygiene. Many elderly, vulnerable, sick, disabled on their own don’t have a voice. For them without the so called “care” agencies, institutional care is the final option, so they don’t say a thing. A blind man was taken shopping but the 3rd world “carer” added her own groceries onto the conveyor belt. She wasn’t dismissed. A blind woman had her perfumes and other items stolen when the same “carer” was on duty and had been asking for the scents. Again nothing was done, as it was the client’s word against the “carer” so no dismissal of that unsuitable employee. A severely disabled woman with MS was also robbed of her money when the same crooked care worker was rostered – Yet again police involvement was fruitless and that very same “worker” not dismissed. I worry for those without a voice as they’re silenced in their vulnerability so that clients like myself and the woman with MS are subjected to victim-blaming because other clients are too marginalised to speak out or easily shut down. IMMIGRATION brings unskilled labour who take the low waged jobs kiwis could do. They also need housing, with several of my 3rd world care givers overs the years currently on the HNZ social housing wait list. We do have kiwis who could do this work without having to import even less skilled from the 3rd world while our people live in cars because the influx of foreign unskilled also require low cost housing. Meanwhile one unskilled 3rd world nurse broke my power wheelchair and the agency refused to remedy it.

    • @ Janice – the other big problem is the so called ‘complaints procedures’ under National are a joke – they are set up to have a paper process that goes nowhere, while taking the maximum amount of time and often run by appointed cronies and bovine investigators who are told to find nothing while writing seemingly well written reports that are full of assumptions and fiction to pretend there is a democratic process.

      Interestingly this is probably not new. Franz Kafka worked as an investigator assessing compensation for personal injury as well as in the insurance industry – probably good experience for his books based around incomprehensible social-bureaucratic powers and bizarre predicaments.

      • I have a strong suspicion that John Key did as a youngster read Kafka and Dickens, and with a perverted excitement formed his determination, to create a society in which he could run various experiments to see how far he could go with driving people to the limits.

    • Carers are often underpaid and exploited by the agencies that employ them, hence some have little motivation, and the odd one may try to “top up” their income by doing what you describe. That of course is unacceptable and should be addressed appropriately.

      But as long as our local work force are neither trained and educated to do certain work, and are also not offered wages they can life off, we will have this exploitation continued, that by getting more immigrant workers in, which perpetuates the cycle.

      So for a start we need to get back to training, educating and employing New Zealand workers at decent wages wherever work needs to be done. When people see that their work is valued and they are respected, we may see a significant improvement in our society, that once was one counted to the “fairer” and “more equal” and better ones on this planet.

      On Planet Key we can only dream of better times, that is those of us who do not own valuable real estate, are bosses running successful businesses and who are not part of the elite and upper middle class.

      To begin the change, we first need to throw out this government next year.

      As for the HDC, look up their annual reports, it shows that the vast majority of complaints are NEVER investigated.

  19. Damn you racist bastard Martyn.

    You are just another xenophobic racist bastard and must be treated as such on the streets.

    Ban my comment. I don’t care. I will tell you in your face next what you are next time i see you in a protest

    • Fuck off @ Migrant. If you are indeed a migrant you didn’t get your papers based on your thinking powers. And if you have read me before, you will know I don’t judge people on their race. I judge them on their stupidity and frankly old boy? I mean ? You can barely build a sentence. As for threatening Mr Bradbury? So, you come to NZ, and now you’re making threats against someone who expresses an opinion that your ignorance and dull mindedness can’t see the logic in?
      I see.

    • Spectacularly illustrating the point there, Migrant. Can we at least have the discussion? Or are you just happily trolling?

    • What a stupid, senseless comment, Martyn has been a very outspoken person against racism, sexism and many other ill “isms” we have.

      By the way, some of us commenting here and even the odd author, I suspect, are migrants also, so this attempt by you to spoil the scene will get nowhere.

      I bet you are not even a migrant, but possibly rather a white, middle class, right wing or ACT-oid troll.

  20. The countries from which many of our immigrants have originated in the last decade, ban immigration and property rights to foreigners.Yet the reasons why many of these immigrants come to NZ is not because they are escaping a racist Government, but because they are escaping a corrupt Government OR they have have been part of this Government and need to find a haven for their ill-gotten gains. Not all, but many of these people are hypocrites when they cry ‘racist’ to make people feel guilty about continuing the discussion, effectively killing an important discussion with invalid, emotive reasoning. Ignore them.

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