So how has Oravida managed to get 25 year rights to suck NZ dry of its water?
The Government doesn’t want to admit ownership of water so they don’t have to compensate Maori or force their allies in the diary industry to pay for it, it is this need to avoid giving Maori money for water and not have their farmer mates pay for it that is creating a loophole that other companies will now exploit.
Thank that’s bad enough? Also know then that when we sign the TPPA these companies will be able to sue the Government if we try and stop them sucking our water dry.
In the week the Royal Society release their report painting a grim future of drought and water salination, we are allowing companies to sign contracts on water that will be horribly compromised in the life of that contract.
The close ties between the National Party and Chinese business has compromised our political system.
Who affirms that Maori own our water ? Who thinks they should own the water ?
Who is insane enough to continue to allow these water bottling companies to take advantage of free water for massive profits ?
Who gives Jonky Donky the right to affirm that ” no one owns the water ” ?
When are ” WE THE PEOPLE ” going to stand up and tell these politicians, ( and we pay for their salaries ) what we want and what we feel is right and fair and just ?
When are we going to limit this greedy take over of our countries resources for greedy gains ?
Thank you ! ! to the Green Party for calling for a temporary moratorium on all bottled water projects until ownership and sustainability of NZ water is worked out. No wonder so many are supporting the Greens now.
Can any of us trust — Judith ( Crusher ) Collins and some of these Chinese greedy business and real estate people as far as we can throw them?
We are slowly being sold down the river and our insane PM is at the helm. Our corporation PM in disguise of a man.
http://thestandard.org.nz/oravida-and-the-water-that-no-one-owns/
http://www.newshub.co.nz/business/oravida-jumps-in-to-export-kiwi-water-2016041918
Her Majesty the Queen of England confirms and guarantees to the Chiefs and Tribes of New Zealand and to the respective families and individuals thereof the full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries and other properties which they may collectively or individually possess so long as it is their wish and desire to retain the same in their possession; Article 1 treaty of Waitangi, English version.
Could not other properties mentioned in that clause include things as water or the foreshore/seabed?
And whereas Pakeha view water as something to profit from, Could not Maori view water as a property that provides life and sustenance?
This is typical of this Government… corrupt to its core… why do we have to pay our water rates if no one owns the water Mr PM?.. please answer that one if you can.. of course you’ll wiggle, squirm and suddenly suck in air when you lie through your teeth.. I AM SICK and TIRED of the way big foreign Corps rape our country and the average kiwi gets nothing from it except the bill to clean up afterwards.. ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!
To be fair you pay water rates because it’s treated (i.e. made safe to drink and continually tested to ensure it stays that way) and delivered to your home (the water needs to piped and is under pressure). This costs money, which in some councils is included in the rates (e.g. Hamilton). Imo it really should be individually billed (e.g. if you DON’T have a swimming pool or a massive garden, should you be subsidising those that do?).
just because Fluoride is an industrial bi product & a toxin, doesn’t mean they haven’t found a way to charge people for getting rid of the stockpile via mass medication, anyway rates should cover the infrastructure & water meters should only be for local businesses or farmers – not just for revenue gathering or to charge us for domestic use while we give ourselves fluorosis. (your soaking in it!).
I agree Nigel but I also see why we pay a bit every year for our rural , under ground and very clean aquifer water to come to our water tank. There is maintenance of the line and pump and on and on. There are also costs for city water consumers to have to pay a bit as the systems need maintaining and the quality of water needs to be assured etc. and all of this costs.
My ongoing big beef is with these several dozen water bottling companies who – yes have to pay a bunch to do their business but they have no right to take our water willy nilly with practically no cost to them for the actual water.
That is wrong and needs to stop and your right, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
I also will always believe that the Maoris do not own the water and we all do not own the water ; air ; rivers ; ocean and sea bed. We are stewards and protectors and are responsible for maintaining these resources but to state that any of us own it is egotistical and just plain wrong.
The greedy 1%ruling on water no democratic ratification of our indigenous resource oust the bastards
Death to Oravida!!!!
The problem of course, like most of what the nats do, is that they think there is an unlimited supply of the resource. And they treat water like a commodity; it has a value, therefore it can be exploited, in order to make money for somebody. This, after they have drawn off millions of litres creating an artificial environment in which dairy can be intensified, while the rivers from which they draw the water to irrigate their unsustainable farms no longer reach the sea. It doesn’t get much more primal than water. What will we sell next? Air?
Orivida and exploiting water. Whose water ? Ours, New Zealand’s, water to Maori? How about Dairy and polluting our water. The key problem here is the current government rolls towards such as the ” Canterbury Model “. Whose water? This is the water which belongs to the generations after us. Stewardship of this country’s water just has not happened. What a tragedy, where ” wadeable ” is good enough. Shame on us for looking away for decades, and for the tardiness in addressing pollution of our waterways in ” God’s own ” paradise.
NZ Pure? Yes NZ pure madness ?
How long will this keep going on or just maybe civil protest will begin in the the spirit of one of our fine generals , Rewi Manipoto. Perhaps it will start near Rangiriri.
Orivida and exploiting water. Whose water ? Ours, New Zealand’s, water to Maori? How about Dairy and polluting our water. The key problem here is the current government rolls towards such as the ” Canterbury Model “. Whose water? This is the water which belongs to the generations after us. Stewardship of this country’s water just has not happened. What a tragedy, where ” wadeable ” is good enough. Shame on us for looking away for decades, and for the tardiness in addressing pollution of our waterways in ” God’s own ” paradise.
NZ Pure? Yes NZ pure madness ?
How long will this keep going on or just maybe civil protest will begin in the the spirit of one of our fine generals , Rewi Manipoto. Perhaps it will start near Rangiriri.
National play a German/Nazi game Hitler used by first create a fight over whatever, and in this case it’s who owns the water and of course all our pakeha mates say don’t let it be Maori exclusively own the water!!!! Bad move there.
Stupid situation has now been created folks!!!!
Now National slyly said no-one owns it, and no body cares to think that now we will have open slather with foreign Corporations coming in here to set up mega factories to export our water till we are sucked dry!!!!
Consider; when you see Govt comes in and says no one owns the water who was the first then to rob the free water and make buckets of money for Collins and co!!!
Bloody smart eh as the money flows freely straight out of the country like our “free” water!
In the English text, Māori leaders and people, collectively and individually, were confirmed and guaranteed ‘exclusive and undisturbed possession of their lands and estates, forests, fisheries and other properties’. Treaty of Waitangi
Could not other properties also include properties such as water?
Where Pakeha view water as a means to profit, could not Maori view water as a source of life?
In my view “other properties” could include things such as water,trees & the foreshore/seabed.
personally I believe that Maori have every right to have some form of access and control of water in this particular circumstance as it is a known fact (only if you are not Maori?) that when Maori people recite their genealogy (Whakapapa) their rivers of the areas that they’re from are mentioned so when people comment that they believe Maori do not own water firstly are ignorant and secondly perpetuating the message that these greedy pricks want and that to rip NZ people off (by appealing to their insecurities) Maori are easy targets as most NZlanders have some form of negativeness towards anything maori and the elite are not blind to this behavior
John key certainly felt that he owned the water when he sold the water rights with the power companies that he flogged off to his offshore mates.
In a nut shell, John key couldn’t have sold the power companies without the water.
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