If the National Party rowing advert was real there would be more blood in the water.
If the National Party rowing advert was real it would be Cameron Slater calling the strokes.
If the national Party rowing advert was real, there would be far more sharks in the water.
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I want to ask you and Frank this question.
So please assist me. I need some knowledge, if you have it.
If I like some of Labours policies, and some of the Greens policies – and if I definitely want Nats gone; but also, I like the fresh initiatives of IMP, and in particular Laila Harre as a leader, and also Metiria Turei as a leader, ahead of David Cunliffe as a leader, then how am I best to place my votes, to ensure that the Nats have no chance of surviving this election?
Are my 2 votes to get rid of National best served as:
Green/Green
Labour/Green
Green/Labour
Green/IMP
IMP/Green
Labour/IMP
IMP/Labour.
What is the ‘left winning’ combination of votes?
IMO I would give your candidate vote to labour and your party vote to any of the 3 party’s that you mention, that you find best suits you as they are all pretty much guaranteed to get seats.
Mistery, without knowing which electorate* you live in, I can only comment in a general way.
Let me break it down.
ELECTORATE
Electorates are still fought on a First Past the Post basis, so most electorate contests will be Labour vs National. In this case, ticking the Labour candidate is a vote against the National candidate (though they can still win a Parliamentary seat on the Party List).
Exceptions are;
Ohariu, which in 2011 was United Future’s Peter Dunne vs Labour’s Charles Chauvel
Epsom, which was ACT vs National
Te Tai Tokerau, which was Mana’s Hone Harawira vs Labour’s Kelvin Davis.
So your electorate vote, generally speaking, is a choice between Labour and National.
If you live in Ohariu, the best strategy is to vote Labour’s candidate.
If you’re enrolled in Te Tai Tokerau, it’s a contest between Labour and Mana – and depends how Left you want to vote.
If you live in Epsom… >>cough<< I sympathise… but… hold your nose and vote for the National candidate to get rid of ACT's David Seymour. Because if Seymour is elected as Epsom's MP, and ACT itself wins over 1.2% of the Party Vote, he'll bring another ACT MP into Parliament on his "coat tails". Whereas if you vote for National's Paul Goldsmith, you get just him.
All other General Electorate Seats: vote Labour. (In my electorate, I'll be voting for the Labour candidate.)
Maori Seats: it's your choice between Labour and Mana. (If I were enrolled in a Maori seat, I would probably vote Mana.)
PARTY VOTE
1. If you want to get rid of National, you can give your Party vote to one of three parties (in alphabetical order); Internet-Mana; Greens; or Labour.
2. Choose which one of those three best suits your preferences in terms of whatever priority is most important to you; policy? Leadership? Something else?
3. It sounds like you have a tough decision to make between two great parties; the Greens or Internet-Mana. Either one is a good call and is a blow against this increasingly rotten government.
(It's a shame we can't have a Green-Internet-Mana Party alliance… but the acronym would be unfortunate.)
So, of your seven suggestions, the best are
(Party/Electorate)
Internet-Mana/Labour
Green/Labour
Labour/Labour
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* In some rare cases (eg; Epsom, Ohariu,Te Tai Tokerau) electorate votes can also determine seats in Parliament.
Mistery : It’s all good. The party vote is the only one that has any effect on the numbers in Parliament (unless you’re in an overhang seat like Epsom, Ohariu or Te Tai Tokerau), so that vote only matters in a fairly symbolic way — unless it’s a close contest between Labour and National, and the Labour candidate is better than average, I’d say it’s best to vote for the candidate of your party vote.
Mistery – Regarding your electorate vote – Well, there is no single answer – That depends entirely on your electorate. Just as the Epsom and Ohariu/Belmont electorates carry a lot of weight in strategic voting, so may yours, depending where you are. Who are your electorate candidates? Is your electorate a traditionally strong National or Labour area? Who won it last time and by how much? Does it look like they will win it again, or does current popular opinion change the odds? Are you in an affluent area where constituents with money to spare have benefitted from buying into the SOEs? Are you in a poor and low employment area that has been hit hard by welfare reforms? Is your area set to benefit from National’s big spending on roading, or does it need a more public transport oriented approach? How is your local access to ECE and childrens healthcare going to prosper under a National government? Are there new schools being built and properly funded, or are they being closed? There are so many factors that each voter needs to consider depending on where they are, the social and economic status of their community, public amenities and infrastructure, and of course, the particular candidates who are running for them.
For your party vote, Labour and Greens are both safe bets. IMP is a strong contender, but you need to weigh the risk for yourself. A lot of people are wary of KDC (Personally, I’m not. I’m not voting for IMP, but I think he’s harmless, and I think Harre is great. I’d be perfectly happy to see them as a minor coalition partner, but my vote remains with Labour.) The next few weeks poll results should give you a relative indication. I’d also not be placing any bets on IMP until after the Town Hall Meeting on Sept 15th. Who knows what’s gonna come out of the bag at that one. Things could still go in any number of directions at this point.
I’d advise you to research your area and local candidates. Talk to your parents about them, whether you agree or disagree with their opinions. Go visit their electorate offices and get copies of their brochures. Talk to them and ask them to convince you why you should give them your vote. (I would still do the same with the National candidate, just to see what plans they have at local level. Take those ideas and weave them into your conversations with left leaning candidates, and ask how they would negate or improve those ideas.) You’ve got 4 weeks before the KDC bombshell hits or misses, so use that time to learn. The last 5 days are gonna be crazy, so now is the time to prepare.
Internet Mana – Internet Mana
Rationale: 1. You do not want to support National or any party supporting National (tick). 2. You will have Cunliffe as PM. (No tick, but that’s as good as it gets. It’s either Key’s successor or Cunliffe.). 3. You have a strong Green influence, whom have also released a very decent social policy proposal and are very much focused on environmental preservation and sustainability. And, on top of that, you have 4. Strong progressive leaders such as Hone, Laila, John and Annette keeping them focussed on the issues and present new ideas and ways to make live better for all.
SADLY the right wing with all the help of the Lame Street Media are dampening the effects of the Hager book.
Whaledump needs to post more evidence to get this back as first news item, because the right wing have successfully got the sheeple of NZ watching other stuff on the news.
A dark day for democracy in NZ if they continue to succeed in this obfuscation-action!!!
New Whaledump post today. Long thread of emails between Slater and Aaron Bhatnagar (ACT). Includes a lot of the vulgar stuff about the sex scandals and so on, but I think the most important part is the issue of obtaining other peoples emails. Slater and Farrar have been doing a big sob story about their privacy being invaded, but the thread contains a few instances of Slater gloating over the fact that he has got other peoples emails and personal info. That should be used to silence his “poor me” act. There is still plenty of time for new info, and a drip feed I think is better than a mighty torrent of info – A lot of people are going to be feeling over-saturated as it is. Also, if any of that info happens to include backstabbing towards the MSM… Well, they’ll be sure to get their pound of flesh. 4 weeks for that, plus whatever KDC has up his sleeve for Sept 15th is potentially a lot of ammo. The story is far from dead.
Today’s Whaledump direct link – http://pastebin.com/Kzu0C673
The sharks are in the boat Martyn! It’s us ‘Spotties” in the water.
If the National Party rowing advert were real Judith Collins would be there pulling out the bung.
If the National Party rowing advert were real they’d be disqualified. You’re not allowed nine cox.
Trust the Nats, Pete. The rules don’t apply to them.
“Keep the team that’s working”
Working? If so, for who?
Not sure any members of this team has done an honest day’s work in their lives.
The television advert:
“Nobody said it will be easy. But through your hard work and the National Party’s economic management, New Zealand is heading in the right direction.”
True. Many people know full well with National in power nothing will be easy. Yes, work has become a lot harder. “Management”? Mismanagement is a rather more apt description. “Right direction”? True, heading exit stage Right into a hard Right neoliberal cloud cuckoo land.
…”Stay on course to prosperity, or risk it all on who knows what direction.”
Don’t think I’ll call plummeting to the gutter “prosperity”, nor do I wish to stay on course. While they’re “working” as crooks, I doubt they can possibly conceive or appreciate any other direction.
In summary this advertisement must be aimed at and have relevance to a niche audience. “Gotta support my team” (chanted in a low dozy voice like that of drunken sports fan).
For those of us who find ourselves with belts tighter than six years ago, peddling that whole economic growth line really means f**k all.
This National Party television advertisement is successful in one respect, unlike their billboards, one can’t vandalise this tripe on your television screen.
The Nat ad is sharp, clear and on message. Ponder.
The Lab ad is vague, wishy-washy and seems focused on the narrow personal interests of a small proportion of the electorate. I would suggest about 25% of people. Of course, if those particular interests are your interests, you will love it but there is nothing suggested in the ad that would compel you to vote Labour. The vague concerns could equally be tagged to the Greens, IMP and UF.
Ha!!!…only thing ever that is sharp ,clear and on message with Natzi’s is the concealed outboard motor on the back of that rowing boat.
Ponder.
( is that some SIS insignia their wearing on their shirt lapels? )
Right. Those people with families, those people who care about paying their bills, those people who want a decent education without being indebted for life, those people who want employment law that protects them rather than forces them to walk a tightrope… You’d suggest about 25%.
I’d suggest that you’ve suggested wrong. You seem to run on the notion that a few cherry picked soundbites that vaguely relate to the economy defines clear, sharp, and on message. Well, welcome to NZ. There are a shitload of people who desire more than that. And to those people, Labour’s ad is anything but wishy-washy. We would say that it is your interests that are narrow.
If life consisted only of economic concerns, the world would be a giant Monopoly board. As it is, Monopoly is just a game. The world is full of life, of wonder, of struggle, of hope, of confusion, of fear. Constructing an entire campaign around the singular aspect of economy, while ignoring all the social and humanitarian aspects that our lives consist of is incredibly myopic and in the long term, utterly destructive.
As for me …itll be Labour for the electorate vote , and becuase IMP is the new kid on the block …I’d like to help to ensure there is backing to bolster the Left bloc….so thatll be my party vote.
Besides taking umbrage at the crap dished out to KDC,..Laila was an exellent choice , I like the fact that there are some strong, volatile advocates for the Left contained within both Mana and Internet.
Politics should be engaging….people should be made to sit up and think….not just leave it up to unscrupulous , unsavoury characters such as now has been demonstrated to have happened.
None of this ramming through legislation in some haughty autocratic manner…..democracy should be a process…
Anyways…as has been said…any one – Labour , Greens , IMP is a good choice as I have posted…..VOTE LEFT !!! as of late 🙂
Gerard Otto’s version is better: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152717519752033&set=vb.661042032&type=2&theater
Far more sharks in the water, you say?
perhaps there would, but they’d be dead and starting to smell, on account of having their fins cut off
A rowing skiff is a wonderful craft if you want to travel fast in a straight line on calm still water.
Has any one in National tried turning one around on a fast flowing river when the wind is up?
If afloat in the middle of the Tasman I’d rather be in the dinghy!
Interesting they chose rowboats as their metaphor for the political process: none of the people doing the work can see where they are going.
If the national Party rowing advert was real, we’re all on a slow boat to China.
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