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  1. I remain convinced that almost the “whole” answer is a financial transaction tax on every dollar.

    GST is a depressingly regressive tax (& there are many who are able to recoup that tax money, & it isn’t people like me – elderly, very unwell, still paying off a mortgage at nearly 80y.o. & & &. Being a retd. NZRN, I well know that EVERY SINGLE PHARMA DRUG IS A TOXIC, POISONOUS CHEMICAL, THAT ONLY SUPPRESSES SYPTOMS. There’s not one that cures/heals!

    My costs have only increased; my superannuation minusculey increases each April, & won’t even buy a loaf of bread or some milk.

    The likes of Susan St John would likely consider me to be wealthy. BUT my house needs all the spouting replaced. Dry rot both inside & outside needs cutting out & replaced with sound wood. I need a plumber to find a leak under the kitchen sink (don’t fret – I’ve SEARCHED for it.) I could go on but …

    I’ve had to give up my St John alarm – at $725 + p.a. I simply couldn’t afford it anymore. People think I’d qualify for WINZ assistance. In my experience WINZ help the least possible: they’ve told me I’m getting the max I’m entitled to.

    I live day & night with the pain & exhaustion that is greatly part of Multiple Sclerosis. I simply don’t have the energy to do battle with that loathsome organisation anymore!

    1. No Isabel
      I would not think you were in the top 20% of the wealth distribution.
      the money from a net equity tax could be used to relieve some of the pressure you and others are under

  2. Well at least Roberston isn’t accusing Qatar of terrorism so the other OPEC nations can kick Qatar out.

    It is worth noting how ever, Susan also asked made the point about the governments intentions particularly since we’ve seen a decline in the revenue of the construction industry. The former government lived in the junk food days of Mainzeal and all that easy lazy money coming out of those big real estate investment trusts and all those big pools of money coming out of public private partnerships are now finished or are in the gym been nets secondary recovery.

    But I don’t believe that a consumption tax cut in GST can cut marginal tax rates. Tax can’t go up on the big end of town. Neither can it go down at the bottom end. Where it was possible in the past it’s not possible now. Another reason is because we have restricted goods going untaxed like the family home. The base for such a tax means those things have got to be removed. So now discounting a CGT and there’s a small gap there. Like the rains not going to gush in.

    Compounding this is compensating beneficiaries because welfare is vary low with high penalties. Imagine accumulating $250 per week in emergency motel costs while receiving two hundred dollars benefits. So putting anything on this has far greater consequences to fiscal yields. The cost of compensating tax payers is far greater.

    So the savings argument of which all the surpluses have been built since 1991 falls apart because the savers are all on higher incomes.

    So if the tax working group doesn’t yield kindness we’ll all end up with wet shoes.

    1. Sam
      The TWG are not recommending GST goes down. Sadly they have not stood up to the government who took the family home off the table and disallowed any increased tax rate

      1. Was lead to believe that the trade off for not taxing the family home was for existing houses only. I’m not sure how the TWG intend to cap CGT of the number of family homes. Just have to wait and see.

      1. Saudi Arabians pay no taxes, it’s the greatest tax haven in the world but no one wants to live there. They’re not the most reliable neighbour going around. The greater the distance between Saudi and Qatar, the fewer the irainin missiles fall on Qatar when the poo poo hits the fan.

  3. Susan,

    Will the Tax Working Group actually address housing inequality?

    No; – they wont. nor will they repair all the damages NZ suffered since 2008 with all the asset stripping and privatisation.

    With ‘MC Scrooge’ in charge of our public purse we cannot expect a ‘awakening of our past egalitarian society’ any time soon sadly as he should have used the “reserve bank act” to make Government’s own funding available for our massive funding for repairing the damages of the previous nine years of rort and slash and sale of our assets during the John Key years.

    They should have followed what NZ Labour did during the first global depression under Michael Joseph Save in 1935 he used the Reserve Bank Act to fund social changes and enrich New Zealanders wealth and health and so should we now.

    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/michael-joseph-savage-1935

    “The key election issue was the Social Security Bill, the embodiment of Savage’s welfare vision for New Zealand. This comprehensive policy of looking after New Zealanders from the ‘cradle to the grave’ helped ensure a comfortable Labour victory.”

    1. Their CGT cannot address the accumulation of housing assets at the top end because that is gains made in the past.
      They also cant include the family home- so $20m mansions are exempt

  4. An obsession with the need for a capital gains tax on housing speculation can only be maintained by someone not understanding how little speculation in housing can be done without the speculator being deemed by IRD to be a dealer, and paying income tax on the speculative profit at a far higher rate than anyone is suggesting for a capital gains tax. Or how easy it would be to make the criteria for being deemed a property dealer even more encompassing.
    The problem is international and systemic. The gains achievable in the present environment with property prices driven both by our immigration requirements re financial qualifications, and the unlimited amount of money in the world looking for a return on investment mean that almost any tax for those with cash to play with is almost irrelevant. It’s what’s left over that counts. And alongside investing in government bonds at zero or negative returns , speculating in the Auckland housing market even at over 50% capital gains or income tax will always be the obvious choice while the bubble continues to grow.
    Such a tax will catch all the wrong people.
    If I have understood the suggested above (and I have tried), a net equity tax on a deemed value CV at 3 or 4% would be imposed. I suggest that this would be of little concern to a speculator with cash burning holes in their pockets, but a serious concern to a young family stretching their resources to secure a home. At the present rate of house price inflation $1 or $2 M exemption will not be a help for long.
    The government has moved in the right direction limiting overseas money investment. This area together with including overseas money coming in with an immigrant , who buys their right to emigrate with that very same money needs attention.
    D J S

    1. David
      you say “If I have understood the suggested above (and I have tried), a net equity tax on a deemed value CV at 3 or 4% would be imposed. I suggest that this would be of little concern to a speculator with cash burning holes in their pockets, but a serious concern to a young family stretching their resources to secure a home. At the present rate of house price inflation $1 or $2 M exemption will not be a help for long.”

      Under the net equity approach as outlined a young family would be very unlikely to be caught up. The exemption is for net equity, not the price of the house. If the couple has a $3 million house and a $500,000 mortgage- each would have a net equity after the exemption of $250,000. If it was in the bank at 4% this is a taxable income of $10,000. If she is not earning that would be tax to pay of $1050 and $3,300 by the main earner on 33% tax rate. This is not onerous.
      The couple in the example with a 27m home would each have $13m net equity. the net equity tax is highly progressive and wont affect 80% of people

      1. I still can’t get it Susan. If a couple have a house worth $3M and a mortgage of $500 000 , then they have between them an equity of $2.5 M surely, not $250 000. What am I missing?
        D J S

        1. So if your income as an employee is $50,000 and your total capital gains is $20,000 then you total taxable income is $70,000.

          1. HI David
            each have an net equity of 1.25m in their family home. Each have a $1m exemption on the family home
            Therefore each has a net equity of $0.25m. That if placed on the bank earns the interest they are taxed on.
            Had the home been owned instead by foreign owners or as a second home net equity would be the full amount without an exemption .

  5. You can try and design a better performing and fairer tax system, including a capital gains tax of a form, or alternatively tax land, property higher, which is though already happening in the form of rates levied by local or regional authorities.

    What I note though is, that the countries with the highest residential real estate price increases, the fastest growing valuations, they tend to be countries with relatively high net immigration rates. Look at New Zealand, Australia, Canada, and until not so long ago also the UK, and a few years back Ireland.

    If you add, that is in the case of New Zealand, the many returning residents and citizens, who may have earned well overseas, then the immigration growth in this country is significant.

    Add also some forms of overseas residential property investments, which was easier in years past, lesser so now, but still possible, we have a residential real estate market with high demand, not met by building of additional stock.

    Anecdotal evidence indicates that potential foreign buyers are still very much present at open homes and auctions.

    As long as we have this comparatively laissez faire immigration allowed into New Zealand, as long as some back doors seem to exist, and as long as governments of both sides of the political divide consider growth, also achieved through growing the population, as being the ultimate goal, we will continue to have rising land, house, unit and apartment prices across New Zealand.

    Restrict immigration and contain population growth, and prices should ease, while the work force gets trained to build more homes for locals only.

    We need more productivity, we need to focus on what matters and represents the essentials for living decent lives, and it can be done. But instead, we have a middle and upper class obsessed with getting the latest imported cars, improvements to their homes, new boats or motorbikes, the latest gadgets and overseas holidays, also spending much on consumerist trash goods, wasting money that is needed for more essential spending.

    Inequality is an issue, poverty is an issue, but those that have do not want to share, they prefer their quarter acre sections, gated communities and leafy suburbs, other ‘riffraff’ kept well away in the ghettos destined for them.

  6. “But the TWG have both hands tied behind their collective backs by the terms of reference that excluded:

    * Increasing any income tax rate or the rate of GST
    * Inheritance tax
    * Any other changes that would apply to the taxation of the family home or the land under it, and
    * The adequacy of the personal tax system and its interaction with the transfer system”

    And by the government having excluded all this, they have already ensured that the system will only get a few tweaks and trimmings around the edges. Expect damned little to solve anything, I reckon.

  7. Regarding housing inequality, I agree there is a housing crisis and increasing homelessness. However, there is NOT necessarily a shortage of homes/rooms .. hear me out ..

    The advertisers that fund the main-stream-media desperately want property to continue to rise and failing that, plateau! The panegyrics towards rising property values has been nothing short or sickening propaganda.

    The truth is many media outlets here are so scared of an alternate narrative, they’ve banned links from the likes of Martin North’s (DFA – Walk The World) YouTube channel.

    There are many empty houses, and properties ‘coming on stream’ in NZ. The problem has been the housing bubble BUT it’s about to deflate! I could be wrong, but you’d be a fool to think otherwise given the evidence .. once you’ve taken the horse blinders off and looked around.

    1. It would be expected to deflate on past form but we might be in a new era of financial intervention since the QE response to the GFC. Creating unlimited amounts of Fiat money to arrest a market/banking collapse wasn’t done in the past. Now I believe the authorities in the major economies are quietly supporting stock markets around the world whenever they look shaky with fiat money without any announcement..
      That will flow through to housing markets as more and more money is thus fed into circulation, looking for safe if not profitable investment. This is enough to keep the bubble expanding as long as it goes on. The stock markets are already dislocated from sensible dividend relationships but there’s nowhere but shares and property for the money to go.
      It is just going to separate those that have access to this inflationary money from the masses that do not.
      Traditionally inflation has pervaded the economy of the people, in food prices , consumer goods etc. But in this situation little of the inflationary money is entering the real economy, because there is no attractive investment in the real economy of ordinary people. The gap is set to widen at an ever increasing rate between the haves and the have nots.
      D J S

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