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  1. Yes it does seem more than a little skewed towards maintaining the neo liberal status quo, Susan St John… good article. As we can see the discrepancy’s you highlight. 36 years of neo liberalism is a hard thing for some politicians to have to admit hasn’t worked. Much like the die hard flat earther’s of 500 years ago had in admitting they were wrong….

    Still, a little more social unrest and failure should see them right…after they have had a ring put through their noses and led to the correct conclusions… it really beggars the mind how infinitely blind so many of them actually are despite the taxes from the battlers of this country who pay them to have their handsome salary’s and lifestyles at our expense…

    All I can say is they all had better start walking the straight and narrow from here on in, – if they know whats good for them. And whats good for the Kiwi battler will in turn be good for them. To do otherwise and neglect that demographic will not go well for them or any other aspiring government.

    The fun and games, frolicking and rorts and lavish lifestyles of the neo liberals of yesteryear are over.

    Things have suddenly gotten very , very serious indeed.

    And New Zealanders are in no mood to suffer liars and fools any longer.

    1. Politically it is not very astute for them to leave the running on this issue to the green party. It will be interesting to see national’s families policies- will they reinstate the hours worked rule or have they seen the light?

      1. Yes,… but now we get down to basic human psychology,… did Blackbeard see the light?. Or was it ”just one more guinea, one more guinea?”… And I know you can see where this is going…

        As for National,… Eddie Teach could hardly have taught them any new tricks to an old sea dog…

  2. The elephant in the room is that wages are now less secure than benefits, and you can be worse off financially working, than being on a benefit in today’s gig/low wage economy.

    But the government wants to pretend you are better off working, thus giving extra benefits to their ideological workers (which don’t seem to be beneficiaries doing work, but workers on benefits)…

    It must relive the stress of business (sarcasm) knowing that the rest of the country has to prop up with significant welfare benefits, their workforce. And they can afford to pay more, but simply don’t have too. https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1808/S00537/oh-thats-where-they-get-their-profits-from.htm

    1. “But the government wants to pretend you are better off working, thus giving extra benefits to their ideological workers (which don’t seem to be beneficiaries doing work, but workers on benefits)” love it so perverted it does your head in

      1. @Susan St John, Exactly!

        I would also love to see anybody on a benefit (student/worker/) be able to earn a lot more before being taxed above a minimum waged worker when they start working. They should be able to earn up to what the expected expenses costs are for the essentials in Auckland (rent, power, phone, internet, food, insurance, transport, probably, circa $600 p/w) and taxed at the same rates as a minimum waged worker not at crazy ‘benefit’ taxes.

        1. yes allowing beneficiaries to earn more and abate more slowly is a clear actual work incentive that makes sense

    2. There is another option.A National government encouraging poverty through restrictive and punitive policy. Through their ideological ideas that more money to business means more jobs to enable everyone the means to a better working life . No thanks, I’m happy to have my taxes contribute to those less fortunate whilst others are happy to create a bigger divide and increased poverty.

  3. Labour need to tidy up the entire benefit system.They also need to sort Oranga Tamariki out starting with getting rid of all the Chief executives all feeding out of the public trough (and failing) I noticed too many have no background in that area of social work. Too many chiefs not enough Indians comes to mind. And while (labour) are at it start with cutting of the head, chief Moss who is obviously extremely unsuitable.

  4. While on the subject of work, it would be good if ‘good’ work championed by government was not of such a drudgery nature demonstrated by the title ‘shovel ready’. No doubt helping to contribute to NZ’s growing mental health issues to have such a one dimensional focus.

    Demonstrated today by
    Only in NZ! Watch – Papamoa blocklayer’s epic piano performance on job site goes viral
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344454

    Recall the movie, The Pianist when Władysław Szpilman works as a bricklayer to survive during the holocaust because only essential workers doing slave labour are deemed worthy to survive.

  5. Guide to welfare in NZ,

    It is important to remember you need to get your low wage job BEFORE you apply for benefits because going Benefits to low paid job, could ensue you pay more taxes under the current system.

  6. Ah, yes, the usual topic, what about all those 80 thousand on TAS and SB, who never got the 25 dollars increase promised by lying PM Ardern and Useless Sepuloni? Most in need get their hardship supplements cut when the main benefit goes up a bit. BS galore from this government.

  7. Yes so far it’s still not a perfect world surprise surprise children, if you got a problem with that and think National will do better feel free to vote for Todd and Jude!!

  8. Short answer is “if” not when Labour finally abandon’s the global neo liberalism that has been its guiding philosophy since the mid 1980’s. Still amazes me people hope for Socialism from a party that to my mind looks more and more like National.

    Still the tribalists will argue up is down, trot out and blithely vote for “more” and then complain when that’s exactly what they get.

    1. You are right Sean – I have never understood the tribal thing,
      ‘you seriously continue to vote for Labour no matter what they do’
      “yes well who else could you vote for there isn’t anyone else”
      ‘well the Greens are better than Labour not as much as we would like but still better’

      Until we have party that says there will be absolute full employment then what do you do.

      It is totally possible to have full employment:
      We would be rid of every wilding pine in the country;
      We would have no rubbish on our streets;
      We would have clean pristine rivers that anyone could swim in;
      We would eradicate all the creatures that have invaded our lands;
      More of us ‘with help’ would grow our own vegetables.
      We would have FREE classes for whatever people wish to learn.
      There would be free public transport and free bikes for people to borrow to get around.
      We would have some community owned electric cars.
      All visits to doctors would be free.
      Everyone would have a warm dry home and a diet that means they get sick less often.
      Food that is handed out would be nutritious and simple to put together with recipes!

      We would drop our prison population @ $100,000 per person a year by 2/3 as done in one of the Nordic countries.
      All of those still in prison would have drug, alcohol and mental health counselling and learn a trade and come out with support in the community etc.

      All of those doing community service instead of expensive prison service and a ridiculously personal high cost go in groups to do community work.
      Every state rental and council house in the country would be in excellent condition with their gardens properly looked after.
      Those who are lonely would have regular visitors.
      We would have state owned care for the elderly.
      The disabled and sick would be properly looked after.
      Everyone would be on at least the living wage.

      At that point you stop unemployment benefit – if you are able bodied YOU WORK to contribute to yourself, your family and society. Not necessarily full-time.

      Of course there will still be benefits for the disabled, sick etc.

      Just read The Spirit Level we know from that research that if we did all these things we would have
      less inequality
      lower teenage pregnancy rates
      fewer drug and alcohol issues
      less crime and frankly happier people in Aotearoa.

      This could all be done but frankly there is no ‘will’ – the politicians just don’t have it in them.

      However we know that business would not want this, unemployment suits them absolutely.
      And the two major parties would never ever upset big business.

  9. Nowhere here is there a mention of the root cause of poverty – child or not. Housing. It was the defining moment of the first Labour government. We need to get back to state run housing. Until rents are reasonable and affordable, even working couples cannot afford to save for their own home. And beneficiaries and the poor cannot afford decent living conditions.
    Take property speculation out of the equation for building and rentals. CGT on all but the family home. No house purchasing for non-residents. If I hear the term “mum and dad investor” one more time I’ll scream.
    Until something is done about affordable social housing all the rest is just talk and window dressing.

  10. The worst off children will be hardened survivors that society needs, who will do better than the spoiled middle class brats who do not want to get their hands dirty.

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