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  1. What’s the point of having power, if you are just going to do what the other party would do any way?

  2. It’s exactly this kind of thinking that gets us to having the 2nd highest incarceration rates in the world, second only to the US, despite low crime levels. We have an outdated, punitive system fueling prison numbers. I’m with Gluckman – we need evidence-based policies, not just doing what you think might work and closing your eyes to the consequences.

    1. Why wasn’t he pushing that narrative for the last 9 years ?

      To busy sucking on the cows hind tit ?

      1. gluckmans’ silence on the meth-testing bullshit-narrative – when he walked/worked for the tories – renders his heartfelt concerns now a tad hollow..

        wasn’t that his job of work at the time..?..to go oi! about bas-science such as this..?

        didn’t he notice all the evictions happening..?

        gluckman gets a special late-to-the-party-award..

        1. Gluckman is a hypocrite, he follows the money and supports the government of the day, now he is moving on and being replaced.

    2. Booker: “It’s exactly this kind of thinking that gets us to having the 2nd highest incarceration rates in the world, second only to the US, despite low crime levels.”

      You’re dead right.

        1. it’s a global trend – attributesd to reasons as varied as the ageing of baby-boomers – and the removal of lead from petrol..

          but it is definitely a global-trend – despite what the hysterics in the sensible sentencing trust and their attendant clowns claim..

  3. I guess what Trottrr is trying to say is, “baby steps, people, baby steps!”.

    1. Sadly I have to agree with Chris. Politics is the art of achieving the possible. The National Party is a past master of working on perceived fear – the most bazaar and scurrilous of these being Muldoon’s Dancing Cossacks campaign. I support totally what Andrew Little is trying to do with respect to much needed criminal justice reform but the Three Strikes Rule is not huge – in fact, as was pointed out yesterday, John Key himself had a clause inserted where judges were given discretionary powers. However there is no doubt that self styled criminologists such as Garth McVicar and his ilk would have made huge political capital from this move had it gone ahead and they would have received unreserved support from the Nats.

    2. Labour, the so called Left, have been practicing Centrism for the last 30 years, basically putting more effort into winning the ‘soft’ National voter and Business, than their traditional base; the minimum wagers, the life time renters, beneficiaries, the strugglers.
      Call it Baby steps if you like.
      And yet here we are.
      Stuffed.
      And guess what…so called ‘soft National voters are still 100% loyal to National.
      And business still spits the dummy, even though they do very well thanks to Labours policies that are basically providing wage and rent subsidies that allow National voters to increase profits in their various exploitative business models..
      Baby steps while being run down by an ogre, why even bother.

      1. Spot on Siobhan! Unless Labour wake up to the truth of your words which is known by every progressive, this Government is going to be a one trick pony!

  4. And now we appluad Winston as he takes National MPs to couart in their attempt to silence him with “leaked information”

    We hope Winston takes a hard stand to punish both National toxic MP’s Anne Tolley & Paula Bennett to show how bad these both were complely now because both of these have damaged very many of our citizens in their reckless actions as careless MP’s.

    We in HB/Gisborne all knew about Anne Tolley’s previous lack of care for her consitiuents while a deputy Mayor of Napier City Council, and after that was a National Party Candidate,

    In Gisborne she was named as “No show Tolley” for very good reasons, so these two are very toxic MP’s.

  5. “He is old enough to remember the early 1960s when, for a few brief years, both here in New Zealand and around the Western World, there was a public willingness to embrace social solutions founded in compassion, bolstered by science and delivered by political parties temporarily freed from the encumbering baggage of traditional conservatism.”

    So am I. The picture presented here is just wrong, in almost every respect; it isn’t at all what I remember from that period.

    It was in the 1970s and later, that many liberal reforms were enacted. The DPB legislation; the establishment of the Waitangi Tribunal; the growth of the anti-apartheid movement from where it was in the 1960s; abortion law reform (such as it was); homosexual law reform in 1986. The anti-Vietnam war movement really ramped up at the beginning of the 1970s.

    “Andrew Little may be a good man, and Sir Peter Gluckman a powerful advocate for evidence-based decision-making, but neither of them would appear to possess Peters’ gut instinct for what is – and is not – politically possible.”

    Patronising and defeatist. As demonstrated by our history of social reform here from the 1970s on, politicians need to be bold, and to have the courage of their convictions. Make a case for change: advocate for it, for heaven’s sake! If we can’t rely on evidence-based decision-making in respect of policy development and legislation reform, there’s no hope for any of us.

  6. Sorry. But I don’t see how keeping a law only introduced to generate a revenue stream for private prisons is helping anyone, least of all those forced to crime because they can’t afford to eat or live indoors.

  7. 600,000 Asian immigrants brought in in the last 10 years to shore up the Tories voting base, meanwhile no new housing, hospitals & schools.

    Social Engineering ?

    1. Yes, of course, Labour did it when they were in power before, under Helen Clark, many Asians and other immigrants were welcomed here, and it happened also under the Nats after 1991, as I do well remember.

      Laissez faire immigration. Labour were also compassionate with many from the islands, allowing family in for years, and so it goes around, both the big parties used immigration to get new favourable voters for themselves, again and again.

      1. Shoring up their voter base at the expense of ordinary New Zealanders ?

  8. “In the grim ghettoes of deprivation and despair, however, Labour’s promises of kindness and transformation have yet to evoke a measurable political response.”

    Absolutely, Chris, that is true.

    They may in Parliament now talk so nicely and answer to set up questions by their own, the Labour ministers, praising the winter energy payments to start on 1 July.

    Nobody has the gust to admit, that the increase in Accommodation Supplement only helped a few, as those in greatest need, those that also require Temporary Additional Support or Special Benefit to survive, they learned by now, that the increase from 1 April was soon taken off them again, after their first review of benefit (3 monthly for TAS, 6-monthly for SB).

    So the government gave with one hand and let WINZ take it again with the other, as the abatement regime for those extra top up supplements for the poorest has not been changed.

    They do not even understand the benefit system, the ministers and MPs it seems.

    Let us hope the winter payments will not lead to abatements.

    1. The whole problem is that Labour’s promises of kindness and transformation were not there: much like the Blairites and Dems they are wimping out again. If you want the politically disenfranchised to vote you’ve got to be bold – yay, we’re banning microbeads but we couldn’t ban the export of water in the first 100 days? Give us a break!

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