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  1. An insightful piece of writing Curwen. A nascent thought along similar lines must have been in the back of my mind when I first heard the news, as my response to NZ diplomat Jonathan Curr’s tweet, “Tragic news of the assassination of my Russian colleague tonight. Condolences to his family, colleagues, loved ones, country. RIP Amb Karlov” was one of relief that it was kind, dignified and decent. I am so used to people kowtowing to the US version of liberalism that I half expect every public utterance to be an instance of it.

  2. In politics everything is true and everything is false. Everything is desirable and everything anathema.

    It is all about context.

    This assassination is like Chelsea v Manchester City. I have no idea which side to support, so the sane approach is to stay out of it.

    Apart from saying assassination is no way to conduct politics – what sensible can we say? I, for one, have no idea what it was about. The political motivations of that region are Chinatown.

    In the case of Charlie Hebdo, the attack was not only on ordinary workers like the rest of us, it was an attack on a core tenet of Western civilisation.

    When the attack is on something fundamental to our way of life and value system, or perpetrated in our name, we should speak up.

    If not, silence is entirely appropriate.

  3. Yeah , your right , Curwen ,… one thought that crossed my mind was that man had a family too ,… it was an ugly act.

    As for the reason?… well… Turkey and Russia had a bit of strife not so long ago with Russia’s air-force in Turkeys airspace.

    Erdogan , among other things wants Turkey to be the head of a 10 nation pan Arabic caliphate – even though the Turks are not considered ‘ Arabs’ per se’ but are considered a Muslim nation by majority. The assassin probably wanted the same as well , and was incensed at Russian activity in Syria… which as it seems,… the Syrian govt currently is pro Russia to a point.

    Whereas Turkey seems to want to retain cordiality with the west , in particular Europe / Germany and of course the USA ( NATO etc) by association.

    That 10 nation caliphate will almost certainly happen in the future , as all indications are heading that way for some sort of resolution among the divided middle east. Turkey has a fearsome and state of the art military machine. And that will threaten Russia’s interests in the region.

    I would say it is a direct result of western media working in with geopolitical considerations that translates to a silence on the part of the liberal political fraternity , that there is the reason why he is just considered a ‘ Russian’ .

    Any doubt as to the power of western media and the propaganda we are fed is clearly answered by this interview of John Pilger.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6StL-AJLDwY

  4. The ambassador lived to tell the tale. It was a set up by Putin as an excuse to go after ISIS big time. It was all a bluff.

    1. Helena: “The ambassador lived to tell the tale. It was a set up by Putin as an excuse to go after ISIS big time. It was all a bluff.”

      Say what? Where on earth did you get that idea?

      1. Didn’t keep links earmarked. Will search. Amb did live after phony assassination but (and I can’t remember where this info is either), Mossad followed up and actually did kill the poor man. Will post link when found again.)

    2. yup- total hoax. with all so called islamic terror, just put the word “hoax” at the end of it and watch the proof.

  5. Right on Curwen,

    Its time a oligarchy Corporate media stopped this phoney “cold war crap” as Russia was the only party who genuinely tried to calm the rising Arab wars.

    Of course the industrial war armament’s corporate oligarchy are going broke without another war they are trying to cause forb their profit but no-ones buying their bullshit any more

  6. Curwen;

    Helena is right: ” It was all a bluff.”

    I don’t pretend to know what the motive might be and who might be behind it at this stage but it is worth considering the article Martyn posted about CIA activity
    in our lifetime.
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/12/19/for-those-hysterically-judging-russia-for-hacking-us-election-heres-a-list-of-all-the-governments-the-cia-have-overthrown-in-first-50-years/

    But what I am sure about is that this is more Fake News.

    I have spent 28yrs in the field of ‘agriculture animal
    husbandry.”

    1.With a shot to the back of the head, the body would
    not lie in that prone position.
    More forward and crumpled at least.

    2. Heads bleed profusely.
    We cannot see the head. No sign of blood. (we have a clear shot here and
    now we can clearly see no blood.)

    3. An animal when shot in the head is not motionless.
    The nervous system is in massive shock,the muscles are still
    full of ‘electrical’ energy (ATP from memory) so the
    muscles would be moving.(twiching/convulsing)

    4. TV1 news had a still camera shot that seemed framed like a Hollywood thriller.
    .ie The Ambassador off centre so as to see the shooter lurking behind.

    5. A movie camera was there (nicely positioned) because it moved to capture the shooter on TV1 news so why did we not see the panic and commotion that
    would have occurred. Only another still that seemed to capture people supposedly cowering.
    Did not look real.

    6. Where was the security while he was allowed to
    rant on? We did not see him apprehended?

    Like the boy ‘supposedly’ washed up on the Turkey’s
    beach. Lying in the wrong direction. Perpendicular to
    the waves (perfectly) not approx horizontally and random if it were naturally
    washed up.(nice clean clothes as well)
    or
    The numerous beheadings all lined up on the beach
    in a quite relaxed manner,not fearing for their lives.
    and
    The single ones you never get to see struggling.

    They all seem fake, un-natural and staged.

    And Putin seemed quite relaxed about it all as well.

    When MSM put these images up in a flash for
    maximum shock, unless you have recorded the clip,
    or go to the internet to slow down at 0.25 speed, you cannot possibly
    analyze properly. (If you do you will see no sudden movement of the head when
    the bullet supposedly strikes.)

    What I am suggesting is this is another False Flag.

    Staged,like many,for whatever political effect.
    And we have the many examples above in Martyn’s
    list.
    Destableisation is the main motive for many and all
    progressing an agenda for TPTB.

    No doubt we will find out in time.

    Trying to create meme about Alt-Media is fake news,
    I believe, will backfire on them tremendously.

    Cheers.

    1. Perhaps they got the idea from the recent movie, Allied. Perhaps the man shot was just a look-a-like of the ambassador.

        1. “Tragedy and Hope” of 1100 pages, was written FOR the CIA.

          “Because their own section chiefs could not understand why they were
          funding Communists,Socialists AND Fascists,as well as ‘the run of the mill’
          Dictators,instead of promoting Liberty.”

          “It is a BLUEPRINT: An operating manual,an owners manual on how to
          run FULL SPECTRUM POLITICAL DOMINANCE.”

          “At the end it is all about COMMAND and CONTROL.”

          At the 53min mark
          “Full Show – Globalists Push WW3 To Stop Trump From Saving America – 12/20/2016”
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVyI-HatklA

          The Globalists Exposed.!!

          Cheers.

      1. D’Esterre;

        Sometimes there is a delay and we definitely can see blood in your clip.

        Why the close up shot so we don’t get to see the body fall?
        It would have fallen forward,not back in such a prone position.

        You can only hear the screaming and commotion when the shooting stops
        like that audio has been inserted. Does not sound real. At 46min mark below.

        “Full Show – Globalists Push WW3 To Stop Trump From Saving America – 12/20/2016”
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVyI-HatklA

        It has been suggested that Putin can now step up the annihilation of
        ISIS and take the moral high ground.

        Cheers.

    2. I have a follow up to phony assassination. Intel I read says Mossad followed up and did assassinate the ambassador. Intention being to cause open conflict between Russia and Turkey. Same thing with heat seeking laser which brought down Russian plane with Russian band members on board.

  7. I think you were more on the ball with your throwaway remark, Curwen;

    Why the difference? What’s at odds here? Perhaps it’s an artefact of power – a figure of state, rather than a comparatively minor magazine publisher. Maybe that’s why there’s a more overt lack the latter-day symbology of empathy here.

    You are quite correct, there were no sympthay memes for the Russian Ambassador.

    But neither was there an outpouring of sympathy memes or hashtagging for the US Ambassador, Christopher Stevens, killed in a terrorist attack in Libya in 2012. (There may have been a few – mostly highly critical of Secretary Clinton.)

    My own belief is that sympathy memes and hashtags are generated by those who are (predominantly) powerless, seeking to offer support to victims of violence who are also perceived as powerless.

    Those powerless victims can be at Charlie Hebdo or Palestinian children in Gaza.

    Ambassadors – as their nomenclature informs us – are representatives of State power. In the case of the US and Russia, two imperialistic super-powers (along with China and it’s imperial policies toward Tibet and Hong Kong) have had their representatives shot by people we view as “terrorists” – but others may view as freedom fighters.

    Israel and the West view Hamas as “terrorists”. But Palestinians elected Hamas to govern them, and view them as a liberating force. (http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/02/07/why-hamas-won/)

    It was not too long ago that Nelson Mandela and the ANC were viewed as “terrorists” by the west. Now Mandela is revered as a quasi-saintly figure in human history, and the ANC governs in South Africa as the democratically elected authority.

    Too often the term “terrorist” is a convenient label which, like the phrase “politically correct” offers more emotional meaning (and bias confirmation) rather than a careful analysis of why an event occurred.

    As such, Ambassadors are not seen as powerless victims of terrorism by meme-builders and hashtag writers. Quite the contrary, Ambassadors are seen as representatives of State power. They are the soft-spoken people we invite to polite dinner parties as they endeavour to legitimise whatever international plottings their respective governments may be up to.

    If anyone doubts this, let’s consider the manner in which the Israeli Ambassador was re-called from our country and the response from the Left.

    When the announcement was made that Ambassador Dr Itzhak Gerberg would be re-called, the Left erupted in joy – and that includes me, by the way. (https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/12/24/its-a-xmas-miracle-apartheid-israel-recalls-its-ambassador-from-nznz/)

    Not because Dr Gerberg is a bad man. I’ve no idea what kind of person he is, on a personal level.

    No, the departure of Dr Gerberg was cheered because of what he represents, not who he is.

    The same reason that the powerless view Ambassadors Karlov and Stevens as what they represent, not who they were, personally.

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