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  1. Delaying the inevitable is exactly what we need. In 60-100 years technology will hopefully be sufficiently advanced that we will be able to solve demographic crisis.

    1. I put a rider on this stage2omega posting as more in-depth research has shown that Iceland debt forgiveness was on the table in January 2012 and mortgages were thereafter written down but not off. A full debt write-off would require firstly currency revaluation and thereafter the announcement of NESARA.

    1. There is a rider attached to the first comment above (not yet up) and this comment was posted again by mistake. Sorry.

  2. Thank you Mike, your formula for a path to a workers’ paradise sounds absolutely ghastly. Good luck with finding followers.

    Compulsion is a very blunt weapon which should be kept in the cupboard until all else fails.

    Think more about what a worthwhile society looks like before you devise ways to settle old scores.

    Old “Socialist” Bernie is all about attacking the undue effects of privilege
    and making the trappings of an adequate income: good education, housing, health, freely available. This is how you improve lifestyles, not just by forcing some wage hikes on employers who will simply pass on the increases to their customers without improving the situation for more than a few months.

    Free education, health care etc should be universal (this is way more efficient than means testing) counterbalanced by a return to a more progressive tax on incomes, but also taxes on transnational corporations at income point, wealth, inheritance and capital gains.

    An over emphasis on what is provided (in income or even material benefit) at the expense of how it is provided (ie who pays) is entirely to get the cart in front of the horse.

    I doubt that Gareth Morgan plans to shoulder the main burden of his UBI “generosity”. (UBI, by the way is little different from a minimum wage, extended to beneficiaries: in the hands of a Ruth Richardson or even John Key it would inevitably end up as the latest bench mark for penury). Nor are the dream a “the-workers-are the-only-source-of-wealth” atavist going to provide more than a distraction. Let’s try to keep it real, people.

  3. Gustavo Caldas · 1 hour ago
    ” There are several ways to solve the economic nightmare the West and New Zealand is in ,but they must be applied TOGETHER ,and enforced permanently :
    1) A debt forgiveness Jubilee for people in the bottom 75% (in income)
    2)An upper limit to the assets an individual can own. No more than one house, end property speculation. Don’t enrich Australian banks lending money to finance an insane property bubble that robs everyone blind except the speculators! And robs the economy of disposable income turning families into mortgage serfs for life.
    3) Money must be issued by a government controlled kiwi bank, not by private banks,and the issuance must be regulated with the goal of achieving a steady state economy. No property bubbles or inflation.
    4) Disgorgement by the top 10% of the assets that exceed the upper limit of wealth allowed to individuals.Can you hear the howls of outrage?
    These changes would mean the end of Capitalism,a system that is NOT WORKING anymore ,except for the top 1%. ”

    Also the end of inequality! Can you see that happening here with the likes of Shonkey and Dunny running the show? In your dreams mate! Also Labour who are doing nicely thanks with the current setup.

  4. ‘We should be looking to create our own media..rather than leave everything in the hands of big business. ‘

    gee..!..wouldn’t it be cool if there was someone curating/collating/linking to ‘progressive’ (for want of a better word) local and international stories/viewpoints/arguments..?..each and every day..?

    ..that would be guaranteed of lots of support from the left/progressive ‘community/’gatekeepers”..(for want of better words..)

    ..wouldn’t it..?

  5. Underneath it all is a finite planet.

    Once upon a time exploitation was ‘cheap’; ‘other people’ paid the various costs, both immediate and long term.

    Now the familiar ingredients are not so readily available and our technologies haven’t kept up with our collective greeds and yearnings. We still find ways to do the same old – fracking, not drilling. Gouging out more soil and creating weird ecologies. No one Important is conserving topsoil and water resources – yet.

    For decades we’ve created a noxious little mythology around ‘baby bumps’ and ‘breeder’ payments of various kinds.
    Could our successive governments hurry up and work out we are neither filling factories nor platoons and battallions? Fewer people, dummies. Fewer!

    And basing ‘pensions’ on the consumptive habits of the pre-pension cohorts is downright silly because many scarcity-minded folk get twitchy about paying any sort of living allowance to ‘unproductive’ people. The least possible to eke out an existence while prices rise based on what the median can pay.

    What game/s will we play when this final round of Monopoly is finished? People made it. People allowed it. People can change it. And start recognising WHEN to change it (before the same people keep on winning and sour all the other players).

    And don’t count on any permutation of ‘government’ to stand as protectors: ask the folk in Flint, Michigan how well their local government protected them from hazardous levels of lead in their municipal water supply…

    Time for a different game.

  6. Good stuff Mike! I fully support you with your suggestions.
    We are living through the collapse of the capitalist system and they are fighting as hard as they can to maintain the structure that creates their wealth. TPPA is one example of the ways they are trying to prevent the people from being able to make the changes that are needed if we want to prevent runaway climate change and social inequality. The ones that currently have it all don’t want to think about the consequences of what they are doing to the world, they just want to hang on to their wealth at any cost.
    All of us that have a vision of a better world for everyone must join together to fight back. They are powerful and we are at the start of a huge change for the world but we all have our part to play.
    Thanks for putting it out there Mike!!

  7. Good stuff Mike! I fully support you with your suggestions.
    We are living through the collapse of the capitalist system and they are fighting as hard as they can to maintain the structure that creates their wealth. TPPA is one example of the ways they are trying to prevent the people from being able to make the changes that are needed if we want to prevent runaway climate change and social inequality. The ones that currently have it all don’t want to think about the consequences of what they are doing to the world, they just want to hang on to their wealth at any cost.
    All of us that have a vision of a better world for everyone must join together to fight back. They are powerful and we are at the start of a huge change for the world but we all have our part to play.
    Thanks for putting it out there Mike!!

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