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  1. Very interesting Curwen. I can’t join your party as I am a member of another one. But I have long suspected there are people around who function almost like gang prospects, for whom a scalp would be to make another small party “safe” for neoliberals. This is not a conspiracy theory, just the thought that there are people for whom an achievement of this kind would seem advantageous to their future networking. Maybe you need stronger criteria for remaining an NZ first member – after all, you would not last long in the Greens if you joined them to tout for fracking, and you would not last long in National if you were pushing to nationalise the farms and set them up as collectives.

  2. The thing that worries me, Curwen, despite your obvious good intentions, is that your leader, Winston Peters, is asking a blank cheque from us. We have no way of knowing if a vote for Peters is a vote for a National-led or Labour-led government.

    I’d rather know what *bang* I’m getting for my buck, thank you.

    1. With you on that, Priss. Until Peters discloses whether he will prop up a National government or not, a Party Vote for NZFirst is a dangerous choice to make.

      At least by voting Greens or Act, you know exactly what you’re getting.

    2. exactly, I’d expect him to go in to coalition with National. He needs to be pushed to rule that out by every journalist at every opportunity until the election

  3. Personally feel a Labour/NZ First/Green win will bring good policy and decision making back to NZ.

    The NZ First can push back the neolibs in Labour – keep the economy stable while the economy transitions into Greener policy, that the entire world is currently implementing. (or pretending to implement).

    Neoliberal globalism is against the Green movement and with climate change here already, Green policy must be implemented – but needs to be done is a careful transitioned way with new ideas and collaboration and a nationalistic approach – recognising cultural differences but still wanting to maintain regional and cultural identity. The opposite of the neoliberal global agenda with no borders, no culture and profit to the .1% lobbyists being the driver of all decision making.

  4. NZ First can easily pick up the rural and farmer vote and elderly vote as well as voters against record immigration when there are no jobs or houses or transport in place. Now one of our biggest exports is now transnational profits under Nationals neoliberal agenda! What a joke!

  5. I do suspect Winfred went with the Bolger govt at the time for two reasons, 1)… he came from the Nats originally , 2) , he felt he could possibly work from the inside to affect change.

    There was however , antagonism between him and Ruth Richardson .

    Here are a few extracts from Wikipedia :
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    As leader of New Zealand First, he held the balance of power after the 1996 election and formed a coalition with National, securing the positions of Deputy Prime Minister and Treasurer.

    Peters exacted a high price for allowing Bolger to stay on as prime minister. Peters became Deputy Prime Minister and Treasurer (senior to the Minister of Finance), the latter post created especially for him.

    Initially, there were concerns about whether Peters would be able to work with Bolger, the National prime minister who had previously sacked him from Cabinet, but the two did not seem to have any major difficulties. Later, however, tensions began to develop between Peters and the National Party, which only worsened after Jenny Shipley staged a party room coup and became prime minister.

    After a dispute over the privatisation of Wellington International Airport, Peters was sacked from Cabinet again on 14 August 1998. He immediately broke off the coalition and led New Zealand First back into opposition.

    However, several MPs, including deputy leader Henare, opted to stay in government and leave New Zealand First. It later came out that Henare had tried to oust Peters as leader, but failed. None of the MPs who opted to stay in government retained their seats in the next election.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………..

    He appears to have had issues with neo liberalism. Particularly as he did not like Ruth Richardson …in fact… it has been a recurring theme that he has opposed it. If we look back we see that recurring them.

    Essentially he seems as a ‘nationalist’. He certainly was almost prophetic as to becoming ‘strangers in our own country ‘ regarding opening the floodgates to immigration particularly from Asia.. ie: India/ China.

    And we see that years later with the massive immigration inflow afflicting NZ in the form of the housing crisis. Along with foreign buy ups of ‘sensitive land’, downwards pressure put on wages , foreign speculation etc etc.

    The very things the Key led neo liberal National govt has now created a millstone around its own neck with – ironically , – those very things that have caused the neo liberal ideology to have become hamstrung by its own rigidity.

    It remains to be seen if a coalition between Labour, the Greens and NZ First can be made. There are strengths among all of them. However it still gets down to a co-ordinated strategy of close dialogue to avoid working at cross purposes during the 2017 elections.

    For the benefit of that coalition as well as the NZ public. If that isn’t the case, – then the public will only see division and instability and will balk.

  6. “Historically, New Zealand First has depended in large part for our electoral success upon defecting ex-Labour voters.”

    Yep, certainly over recent elections if you focus on New Zealand Election Study data. I’ve been pointing this out on the local blogosphere for quite some time.

    “In 2011 alone, I believe up to and perhaps over 50% of our party votes came from exactly these sources (Labour and Green)”

    Based on NZES data, I’d say former Labour and Green supporters comprised roughly 45% of 2011 NZF voters.

  7. The reason Winston went with National in the first MMP Election was National was the only option for NZF to be part of a coalition Government, the only other option was NZF/Labour/Alliance coalition. However the problem was Jim Anderton could not get their acts together so Winston was forced having to go with National.

    This all turned to cactus when Shipley rolled Bolger, then National coerced a number of NZF MP’s over to National and just about stuffed NZF.

    So everyone blaming Winston for playing games need to understand the facts. At the end of the day Winston will act in the best interests of the country.

  8. Most votes in the Northland by election were anti-John Key protest votes.
    Key was booed at the Auckland nines and the big day out.
    Key’s polling is in the 30% as PM (I’m sure if the wording was right in the survey), Winston would have pissed in, in the preferred PM!

    It’s great news for NZ First and Winston.

    An unpopular PM like Key won’t want the ignominy of being defeated in an election (not good for the post PM-cred on the CV), so he’ll jump ship, before he’s made to walk the plank like Brash, and English (oops) and Bolger.

    Word coming out from the back rooms at ACT allegedly is, that succession planning is already under way.

    ‘Bronagh wants more personal time,’ the Herald will say. ‘JK wants to spend more time with his family, who were pretty much neglected while he was in banking?’, Hosking will opine. Or just the generic “family reasons”. Paul Henry will give us “5 reasons why the PM should be proud of his tenure before he has to leave for personal reasons.” and then Henry will ‘piss himself laughing at his own wittiness like Muttley from the Wacky Races.

    NZ First, will be thankful for small mercies of Key leaving for “personal reasons” and bullshit National, pork-barrel promises of roads and bridges in Northland.

    But there’s always the promise of a knighthood to sweeten the sadness of Key not being a 4th term PM. Eh?

    1. Yes…Keys looking sad and tired these days. Its not the big drama’s that’s grinding National down … its the smaller less headline grabbing issues.

      Things like Bennett rushing round like a chicken with its head cut off pushing the $5000 bribe for family’s to fling themselves off into some employment backwaters knowing full well the places available more than likely just aren’t suitable in the first place for low skilled workers – and whats worse – days out from the budget without English even knowing a thing about it.

      This whole housing crisis being brought about by the neo liberal ideology of ‘hands off’ unchecked immigration with an equally ‘hands off’ non existent policy on housing and infrastructure and leaving it up to blind ‘ market forces’…. as IF the ‘ market ‘ is an individual knowledgeable about planning, design or future forecasts for populations.

      And they expect us to pay them wages for what is effectively a govt in abdication.

      This is the beginning of the end for Key.

      He can piss in the shower and pull as many pony tails as he likes but this has struck at the collective conscience of the population. And anyone can see this is just going to spiral totally out of control with this govts attitude.

      So they better start turning those immigration taps right down and get spending on building houses fast or its going to walk right through to election day in 2017.

      Even spending $781,000,000 on the SIS and GSCB – with only half that spent on housing !…says it all . As does $24,000,000 on a flag change no one wanted. Not to mention all the fund cutting on social services – as IF we couldn’t all see that it was designed to bring in privatization of those services…what do they take us for?

      Key talking tax cuts of 3 billion dollars with family’s living in cars ??? and then back- pedaling when his Finance minister says no???

      Great unity and thought put into things guys – more like not being able to organize a piss up in a brewery – or worse- not giving a shit about your own citizens.

      This govt’s provided more than enough ammo for the opposition to sink a battleship. So Key is on the outer and it doesn’t matter who takes his place from that party – they will be tarred with the same brush and being counted among that number that created this absolute mess.

      Their goneburgers.

      1. I stand corrected. It is actually 178.7 million dollars allocated to the SIS and GSCB.

        However an apology is cheap as opposed to the social costs of having family’s living in cars and STILL working for a minimum wage because they cannot afford the rent because of the housing crisis. For that I retract nothing.

  9. In short, we need principled people of all ages and backgrounds who /understand what is at stake/ to join up with NZ First, get involved internally, and help us to keep the Party at large on the straight and narrow going into 2017, 2020 and beyond.

    Maybe to shore up your position too?

    What I hear is that you are badly on the outer, Curwen and must be feeling very uncomfortable.

    The way to change New Zealand First, (if it can be changed) is from the outside, by challenging them on policy.

    Traditionally Winston Peters has always refused to say who he would align his party with.

    By challenging NZF on policy, voters will get an idea of where Winston will position his party after the election. With Labour and the Greens, or with National and ACT.

    Entrism is a failed policy Curwen, The experience of entrists is that instead of changing the conservative direction of the movements they enter, it is invariably the entrists who get changed.

    If entrism was an effective strategy maybe we should be advocating that Leftists join National or ACT.

  10. This isn’t change. Winston has always pandered to the right wing, not all of us have forgotten his racist spiels about the ‘yellow peril’ and being anti the treaty and what he called Maori separatism. Nor have we forgotten the Simunovich fisheries scandal he was involved in, or his links to the Vela brothers and the racing industry or the under the table donations he received from the likes of Bob Jones and then claimed he knew nothing about them….

    Winston is NZF, and Winstons political leanings are whatever way he perceives the popular wind to be blowing.

    You seem like a well meaning and eloquent young man Curwen, why you persist in following Winston is beyond me.

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