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  1. Okay so Māori are getting there cut and they’re growing economic bases but how long is the earth going to be inhabitable and what is a treaty strategy for that?

    So Māori has been pretty good at recognising there’s a pollution problem but is it enough? No it’s not enough but Māori and pakeha have taking some resources and people are doing some things.

    So Māori are willing to skip all the dirty coal and all the dirty industrialization but Māori have to be given the economic wellbeing that crown already has. Māori has to be given a right to decide if legislation is good or not. Otherwise the economical argument to save the planet will be used to keep Māori in second place and that’s not a treaty partnership.

    The Crown has to meet Māori halfway so that Māori have a chance to develop the standards of living of Māori with in the crown framework and maori can do that with in an Upper Parliamentary house, and that means the crown has to do more sacrifice than Māori because non-Māori consume more resources than Māori, a lot more because of the different standards of living.

    The crown has set up the system to do 3 things, 1) get more profit, 2) grow your company, 3) get a larger market share. Those are the ABC’s of neoliberalism/capitalism. Corporations and Iwi entities survive by getting these objectives met. That’s what the boards have chosen to do, that’s what shareholders/stakeholders expect. That’s the how the system works.

    If along the way the elites have to sacrifice either the wellbing of workers, or the well being of the planet, or the environmental conditions, elites may feel plenty bad about it, and I’v met plenty who do but they had no choice and they will explain it if they’re honest that that’s the ABC’s of capitalism and that’s the way the system works.

    So I don’t think there is currently a place for Māori with in the system that can seriously deal with the limits of growth and with the need to preserve our environment and take care of our health and people because we have a system with an intensity that pushes Maori issues aside and that seriously needs to change.

    It’s probably got to do with a disinterest in Māori and that has to stop because it’s having a negative effect on society and the profits in which the environment functions is greater than the profits for the relatively few and even more important is the jobs the environment creates.

  2. There is more mahi to do in a pair of shorts

    Beautiful speeches, eloquent orators, Waitangi on the telly. 180 years and we are now in a position to really address the occupation, theft, deception and institutional malfeasance that the previous racists and neoliberals were allowed to get away with. All of the planets are aligning; a progressive government, empathy and kindness, robust policy, more transparent information, open source platforms, social media. Surely now the indigenous people of NZ will get a fair go. Or will they? This government really haven’t done anything yet. How can this administration ignore professional working groups who recommend urgent action in the social sector, where Maori are overrepresented? Wtf is this government doing to properly provide for, protect and grow the 2/3 of the country who aren’t the property class? How can Ihumaotao be subject to claim and protest when all previous claims cannot then be reexamined and relitigated (just give every citizen with Maori ancestry $1 million so they can house themselves and be done with it, a trillion dollars should be enough)? Isn’t all this talk and promise just hot air? While Jacinda was raising and lowering her eyebrows with concern this week, China built a functioning hospital. This is the sort of dedication and planning we need. Let’s do…something.

  3. Old news, NZ is now dedicated by the 1% to be a multicultural country and the treaty is out the window.

    The Pacific is a very underpopulated area, ripe for resettlement. Prob only 744,800 Maori and pos 3 million Pakeha left here (who knows with the botched up census), why worry about the treaty, sarcasm!

    Māori miss out in Census 2018
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/30/560052/maori-miss-out-in-census-2018

    Here are some signs that the woke conveniently ignore!

    Focus on housing squeeze, not refugees – Whanganui mayor
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/395707/focus-on-housing-squeeze-not-refugees-whanganui-mayor

    More migrant aged parents expected than both Maori and Pacific Islanders https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12281479

    and they are still bringing more aged migrants into NZ

    which means that Gen X and Y generations who were forced into user pays education here, will end up paying taxes for aged migrants benefits that never contributed a bean, while also being forced to pay interest for their own tertiary studies post 1980’s and their own retirement savings with “Kiwisaver”!

    It’s complete discrimination to the local population to force their taxes to pay for other people’s parents who don’t have to pay anything to get it! https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/119288609/pension-age-debate-crunch-coming

    No wonder tertiary enrolments for domestic students down and I would guess that NZ has one of the highest rates of overseas people running our universities now. Meanwhile domestic students bodies lie undiscovered in university halls for a month, while the parents are billed for his accomodation.

    The latest MSD data shows the number of people receiving a jobseeker benefit has increased by 13,000 or 10.9% in the last year.

    And it isn’t evenly spread. The increase by key demographics is:

    Maori +14.6%
    Pasifika +15.9%
    Under 25s +13.7%
    25 – 40 year olds +16.7%
    And even bigger growth with hardship assistance. The special needs grants are up 45% and advances up 53%.

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/04/jobseeker_benefit_numbers_up_11_in_a_year.html

    No voting in prison and Maori over represented.
    More prisons being built. Prison building intentions triple in 2019 – Statistics New Zealand

    Overseas Investment Authority consents over 18,000 in last 6 months…

    Whenever a government official talks about employment exploitation they say “migrant exploitation”, not worker exploitation which has been ignored in NZ for 40 years since 1984! Domestic exploitation of workers is acceptable and encouraged here. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/365540/why-being-made-redundant-in-nz-is-so-tough

    Non-Māori race relations commissioner ‘missed opportunity’
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/non-māori-race-relations-commissioner-missed-opportunity/ar-AAE8KiE

    GUEST BLOG: Hone Harawira – The useless Race Relations Office
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/03/06/guest-blog-hone-harawira-the-useless-race-relations-office/

    ‘Silly, frustrating, insulting’: Princess Cruises slammed for fake Maori stunt
    https://www.news.com.au/world/silly-frustrating-insulting-princess-cruises-slammed-for-fake-maori-stunt/news-story/1488027cff1919f85c1e45f2bafc5dab

    Get some Meth and other drugs into the locals, take over the voting and bobs your uncle a ‘peaceful’ way to create ‘drugged out, lazy, people and rehome billions of other people into the Pacific.

    The new drug highway: Pacific islands at centre of cocaine trafficking boom
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/24/the-new-drug-highway-pacific-islands-at-centre-of-cocaine-trafficking-boom

    Asian drug links reach south with meth deals
    https://www.scmp.com/article/724511/asian-drug-links-reach-south-meth-deals

    I think it is pretty clear, NZ is not going in the direction of a bicultural country legally guided by the treaty anymore!

    1. What is even worse, is that we have more Maori Maori/Pakeha in parliament than ever before and things are going down the toilet in real terms for domestic statistics… our politicians seem to automatically discriminate against domestic people in every policy while getting a lovely trip to China or more donations from overseas.

      Lowering of wages for families since Rogernomics global policies have become the dominant thinking here and is one of the many problems in NZ and a huge contributor to poverty and the working poor and stopping Maori and Pakeha working together to eliminate poverty and pollution here and go back and create a new agreement such as a 50/50 bicultural parliament!

      “Shortly after, I discovered that measured poverty in the country was dominated by children and their parents. This was a revolutionary finding at the time and it took only four decades for it to become the conventional wisdom. Even today, you will find people who focus their poverty discussions on beneficiaries, ethnic minorities, single-parent households, and those in rental accommodation. The research evidence points to the most common household in poverty is a Pakeha couple with children living in their own house (with a mortgage) and being dependent upon wages.”

      https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/invisible-children

      We now have growing evidence that many people coming to NZ are fraudulently paying to work here to get residency and earning well under the average wage of that industry as they are bought in, thus lowering the industry wages in NZ, year by year and creating less and less skills in industries. That is encouraged by our politicians.

      NZ politicians and officials are captive to the lazy cash, impoverished working conditions to make us their dream of a low wage economy, and turning a blind eye to the growing international criminal rings operating here and recruiting the locals.

      Locals are between a rock and a hard place, when it is becoming more secure to be on a benefit here, than have a job or train for one, as the wages in real terms, as well as skill and experience, decrease in NZ yearly.

      1. We need to be opposed to rapid population growth driven by immigration for political expediency but not anti-migrant or xenophobic.
        We need a new narrative.
        The vast majority of NZers – Maori, Pakeha and new migrants – do not want to live in a NZ of 10, 20, 50 million.
        Our small population and low population density is our greatest asset.
        Let’s work together to keep Aotearoa small and beautiful.

        1. Environmental Fascism Party?

          We need to be ant-migrant and xenophobic with out sounding ant-migrant and xenophobic.

          1. the planet is dying because of your false religion of infinite growth; let’s be sustainable, not join the rest of the world in its suicide pact

        2. We also need to be realistic that NZ is being shat upon by many criminals and dysfunctional people, around the world and stop it.

          Criminal gangs from overseas are also recruiting local people. It’s a downwards spiral for many communities who families are being murdered, getting on drugs, becoming involved in complicated multinational child disputes, becoming homeless in our own country, can’t get through the courts because there is so much demand in the criminal justice system, etc.

          We are turning into the Phillipines where oldies and kids live, while workers earn money overseas because the local jobs are poorly paid and they have too many people, and drugs have become a massive problem.

          Our Government has not put in anything to stop disturbed or drugs smugglers coming here. The ease in which Tarrent blew away 51 people in cold blood, while he rented a place in NZ and apparently had no job for 3 years since he came! Oh, he could also vote here and be on a benefit. Yay, we really need those nice folks from overseas voting. Sarcasm.

          Whose next, a Marae, a school, hospital, city? Who knows with a growing amount of internationals morons who seem to have zero skills, a sense of entitlement, race/gender/family violence, drug, mental health, political agendas, fraud and drugs, and who knows what other issues, and easily groomed into who knows what to act out their bizarre fantasies. Now the drugs people are recruiting the locals and it’s spiralling out of control.

          This homestay 23yo https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/student-filmed-host-shower-and-stole-underwear was found with the CHCH images on his phone for example. We seem to be attracting a lot of people who seem to be angry or disturbed coming here from around the world.

          Even when foreign crims get caught they somehow still get to stay here! The NZ woke wants damaged people to flock here (cultural fit). Having a mental breakdown in NZ as a foreigner, the woke will be all over to help, while a Kiwi student will miss out on basic mental health services and we now have bodies turning up undiscovered for a month in student halls.

          The woke governments response to Tarrant, was telling everyone to avoid micro racism on neighbourly and arm up police in South Auckland. Not really what anybody was expecting, when they find out new residents for no apparent reason were stockpiling weapons while living in CBD apartments after just arriving!

          Woke thinking is more dangerous to society than a lot of other discourses and being risk adverse has gone out the window with neoliberalism.

          The sniff of a tidy profit for a private individual is more important in NZ law, than a safe society or justice for victims born here and who have no other country to turn to.

      2. SaveNZ & Martyn B : Your observations re: the dispossession of Maori and increasing numbers of working class Pakeha are obvious and class war is everywhere. But those pointing out such things (Winston Peters & Brian Tamaki) are immediately slandered with the worst calumnies. As if caring for New Zealanders is a hate crime.

        A hundred poxes on the woke who enable a second wave of colonisation of NZ and the impoverishment of their own people. (And they don’t seem to care about the spread of a deadly virus either). Because they are so fucken enlightened and globally aware.

        Charity begins at home. Actually having a home is step 1. Not selling off everything to the highest bidder, so that your kids can become housemaids to the new elite.

        Neoliberal, globalist economics is a betrayal of Te Tiriti and selling out our own children.

  4. Instead of calling 44South a bigot, perhaps someone can tell me which of his statements are factually wrong. They look pretty good to me.

    1. The war between Māori and the crown was a stale mate. As it turned out regametslism was a match for tribalism. The tactical economic war that proceeded over the next 180 years was of course won largely won by the crown because the crown requires the police and brute force to win. Māori, only require free market economics to win, and that’s something Māori are becoming more and more proficient at, much to the dismay of the already well housed and well fed.

  5. The Maori party needs to become a truly transformative party. They need to stand on a platform of drastic immigration reduction in order for Maori to have a chance at becoming a demographic force to be reckoned with in Aotearoa. Maori make up 33% of births therefore without mass migration Maori would soon be on the way to being a large proportion of the population as opposed to at present being marginalised demographically through mass immigration.
    The majority of Maori would support this (some such as Morgan Godfrey think that the treaty will be honoured even if immigration increases and Maori have nothing to worry about – history tells us otherwise).
    The Maori party needs to then take back all the Maori seats but expressly not campaign for the party vote. This would create a major overhang and put them in the most powerful position in parliament – the King Maker! They can hold the country to ransom and they have every right to!

    1. The Maori Party helped the smiling assassin & Natz to create the immigration problem in the first place. And now COL are too gutless to do what they campaigned on and crack down to 10,000 high worth migrants only and stop the student and temp routs, while they SOLVE all the NZ problems like infrastructure, poverty pollution, low wages, treaty issues and housing.

  6. ‘Right now NZ has floods, drought and fires. The climate crisis catastrophe we face demands radical reforms that don’t have the luxury of time.’

    The climate crisis catastrophe has ‘suddenly’ got a lot worse; new research indicates the warming potential of CO2 is greater than previously thought; peer-reviewed research published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters indicates the warming potential of CO2 is greater than previously thought. And ‘we’ are pumping more of it than ever into the atmosphere -more than 41 billion tonnes a year!

    ‘Scientists find carbon dioxide is more potent than thought, meaning the Paris climate goals on cutting greenhouse gases may be unattainable.’

    ‘LONDON, 23 January, 2020 − The fevered arguments about how the world can reach the Paris climate goals on cutting the greenhouse gases which are driving global heating may be a waste of time. An international team of scientists has learned more about the main greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide (CO2) − and it’s not good news.
    Teams in six countries, using new climate models, say the warming potential of CO2 has been underestimated for years. The new models will be used in revised UN temperature projections next year. If they are accurate, the Paris targets of keeping temperature rise below 2°C − or preferably 1.5°C − will belong to a fantasy world.
    Vastly more data and computing power has become available since the current Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projections were finalised in 2013. “We have better models now,” Olivier Boucher, head of the Institut Pierre Simon Laplace Climate Modelling Centre in Paris, told the French news agency AFP, and they “represent current climate trends more accurately”.
    Projections from government-backed teams using the models in the US, UK, France and Canada suggest a much warmer future unless the world acts fast: CO2 concentrations which have till now been expected to produce a world only 3°C warmer than pre-industrial levels would more probably heat the Earth’s surface by four or five degrees Celsius.
    “If you think the new models give a more realistic picture, then it will, of course, be harder to achieve the Paris targets, whether it is 1.5°C or two degrees Celsius,” Mark Zelinka told AFP. Dr Zelinka, from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, is the lead author of the first peer-reviewed assessment of the new generation of models, published earlier this month in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.
    “Climate sensitivity has been in the range of 1.5°C to 4.5°C for more than 30 years. If it is now moving to between 3°C and 7°C, that would be tremendously dangerous”

    https://climatenewsnetwork.net/paris-climate-goals-may-be-beyond-reach/?fbclid=IwAR2OXShO4JJ2QAH8g5WDHQ-GyE9PhdhkkFfaoNvPWWlvEt0Va6iHxO0GZPQ

    1. The only solution is to drastically cut energy harvesting and use and don’t create waste.

      It means a massive shift in how we live and population will reduce one way or another. Plan it or suffer it happening.

    2. i see a well meaning vision John. and like having a recycle rate of 100% realised , will probably take a few hundred if not thousand years ..

      consumerism is a facade , whenever i go buying for clothes it’s usually to the op-shop first then will look at other options if i can’t find what i’m looking for.

      1. Complex recycling as we know it today takes energy and resources that we will not be able to call on as they just won’t be there.
        Simple recycling such as composting, reusing wood and stone, sharing knowledge, reusing water, and similar tasks if well managed will have little detrimental effect on the environment.
        Non of this stuff is new.

  7. Kia ora Martyn
    I am not enthused by the notion of “Fortress Aotearoa”.
    It sounds strong, but is really an expression of fear for what the future may hold.
    Better to approach the future with confidence even in the face of impending catastrophe.
    Also, while many (not all) of the specific proposals have merit, the assumption seems to be that they can only be and will be implemented by the state.
    It won’t happen that way. Local communities don’t need to be empowered by anyone, least of all by the very state which for the past 180 has striven to dis-empower them.
    Self-sufficiency in food is something that ordinary people can achieve for themselves. They can also educate their own children, and provide a good standard of basic medical care.
    They don’t want a more powerful, more heavily armed government and they certainly don’t want a system of government which is even less democratic than the current colonial regime.
    I suggest that you forget about Fortress New Zealand (which is what it would be under a strengthened colonial system) and stick to growing your own spuds and sharing any surplus with your neighbours.

    1. These constitutional matters are between Māori and non-Māori. Even communes would depend on property rights to protect them so you’d need a strong central state to protect those property rights. Especially in uncertain times.

      1. But not the western understanding of property rights. Communal property and state owned and controlled land use.

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