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  1. Any votes lost to TPM will not go to the right, so those votes are still there to get +50%…

    1. You beat me too it. If TMP lose vote they go to the labour party. Some might go to the greens but labour will win the seats, no doubt about that really.. is there?

  2. On the other hand not everyone seems happy that JT, his daughter, and his son-in-law, enjoy such tight knit control of the Party.
    Vague references to the constitution, as a basis for expulsion, that hardly even satisfy barely competent journalists will wither and die under the scrutiny of lawyers.

    1. This has been the leadership since the party reorganised , no secret, so wtf are you talking about? If politicians had a problem with TPM leadership then why didn’t they stand as independents instead of staging a coup once voted in under TPM banner. What a fucked up thing to do at a time like this. Those two are complete idiots and a betrayal of all who voted for them and all of NZ who need TPM to be strong and credible, which they are.

      1. Voting for a party that is in reality a family business is not going to be good for anyone -especially those outside of the bloodlines and in-laws.

        1. Therein lies the problem Ada,but most journalists and commentators are turning a blind eye.

  3. I feel for the “real, genuine” TMP party and its leaders. Ego’s are so controlling as we have clearly seen from Luxon and Seymour. They can be so large as to completely dwarf a person! However the two renegade TMP MP’s have horribly read the room and are now in “no man’s land”. They should, at the very least, have had the brains to do their wrangling behind closed doors instead of using our twisted media who have had a field day with this! If life was fair, the renegades would fade away and disappear. This has again highlighted Luxon’s extreme egomania and weaknesses. It was comical to see he had the gall to claim “TMP is a joke”. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Luxon should have by now sacked at least 3 MP’s for their transgressions but simply changes the rules to suit. At least TMP had the b&lls and made a brave call. Luxon wouldn’t know what that feels like since he’s never ever done that – he is nothing but a milksop!

    1. Yeah! Too right!! Expelling Mr. Hate and Mrs Greed was the right thing to do. Should they have waited until after the hui on the weekend? Who knows, just more dither and delay if the two renegade politicians were being intractable, obviously once the deed has been done, (surely challenging the leadership at a time like this in NZ politics is breaking TPM constitutionally) all the commentators need to get behind TPM now, quit the sniping from the sidelines.

  4. The Tamihere party is doomed and labour will take most of the seats back .Jt and his whanau think they are the party .
    Someone needs to remind Debbie that it ws the Maori party that coat tailed on the Hikoi not the other way round .She implied yesterday that it was TPM that organised it when in fact it was ERU and the whanau up north .TPM jumped on board when they saw how big it was because they assumed all would vote for them at the next election .Well guess what in my small family they have lost two votes in the last couple of weeks .

  5. I reckon there’s a Māori proverb for this: “Many paddles make the waka go faster — unless everyone’s paddling in different directions.”

    Tikanga’s a beautiful thing when it brings people together, but when it starts getting used like a HR policy, the whole crew ends up arguing over who’s steering.

    The rest of us are just standing on the shore wondering if anyone’s still watching where the waka’s heading — or if we’re about to drift into another election doing donuts in the harbour.

  6. What a rabble and there are some who suggest National go down the same path and change their leader.

  7. Oh dear. What is the word for rehashing past events to blot out the present? Stick to your knitting, in different locations I suggest. The rehashers set up their own party and TPM who have stuck together so far, keep up with theirs. We might end up with a Fair Isle(s). Like it knitters?

    If you don’t do this, you might end up with wasted effort and angry people on both sides, and terrible disillusionment and terrible outcomes. This is not a rehearsal for a film. It’s a time of ringing down of the curtain. Or it’s saving the furniture before the fire sweeps through. Or a flood. Or an earthquake. Or the piece that gets blown over by a tornado, or slides down a hill that had a forest on it, or washed out to sea. Or the pakeha gangs who will destroy your ancient taonga.

    The destroyers are near, climate, phalanx, spite, envy, ego, whatever bad you think of is possible. So don’t pour lemon juice on Maui, remember it is acid, and may only preserve for the moment and then the surface will crack open. Enough analogies.
    I have provided them as a service as your minds may be too busy elsewhere to get different views to jerk us all back to the field of discourse and the Maori esprit de corps for all Maori and not for just one hapu, motu, rohe or wherever.

    1. A round what? Whose round are you about? Are you stalking me? I don’t like it I seriously, mostly, put stuff I consider important and relate to what important things others say. Can’t do so with you.

  8. I don’t have time for Takuta Ferris and his racist attacks on Labour volunteers. But I’ve never had any time for John Tamihere and his Machiavellian maneuvering either. Putting the two of them aside, if I had to choose between the Kapa-Kingis, and the hugely impressive work they did to build the Toitū te Tiriti movement, and the current co-leaders and the Peters-esque stuntwork we’ve seen from them, right-populist style attacks on news media, etc … well …

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