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  1. You are an amazing person with years of good work advocating for workers, Darien, but you are wrong here.

    This gang has been attacking Martyn constantly for years. They even set up an alternative left wing blog called “On the Left” which turned out to be a failed experiment. They have an extreme grudge against the Daily Blog and especially Bradbury.

    Martyn is totally correct when he says they lack solidarity in attacking this news and opinion outlet. This is a forum where other union organizers frequently post. They also appear to have little sympathy for other left wing voices that are not as far to the centre as they are. They clearly consider themselves to be radical but their form of identity politics takes at least one victim per month, online: they frequently gang up on usually left-identifying voices and drive them off Twitter. They are not above making unsubstantiated allegations about people’s sexual behavior in attempts to ruin people’s careers. They do all this and more while being employed by one of the largest unions in the country, during work hours. It’s disgraceful, alienating, and often cruel.

    This group actually have a longer history. They have been hanging up and attacking people on Reddit too. They DOX people, they spread vicious rumors and they call employers and so forth. They have attempted to destroy people in real life just as they have on Twitter.

    They are utterly vicious, constantly on the lookout for new victims, and do not help the left or their union one bit.

    1. David;

      If what you are saying here is true,then they seem to be not genuine union people at all. More like infiltrators.

      Webster Tarpley constantly reminded to always look out for people ‘acting under
      left cover’.

      ‘This Gang’ as you call them seem to be acting more in line as ‘intel or asset trolls.’

      And judging by Jason’s comment below might not be far off the mark.

      I have had personal experience of (as delegate) the PSA acting as an agent for the employer rather than that of their paying clients.

      Cheers.

      1. I’ve also had personal experience. Then I was contacted by an activist connected to Wikileaks.

        He said that, after spending 10 years investigating, that the union movement and all progressive movements were infiltrated from the word go.

        An example he gave was Occupy. He said that there was CIA and SIS there from the beginning. The guy had documents but laughed about sharing them. “Repeat something enough times and it is the truth” he said to me a couple of times.

        Now I understand that particular person lives overseas. He personally uncovered a major particular scandal (which I believe because he showed me the documents) but chose to leave New Zealand after suffering extreme harassment. He said that NZ was a Police State, and that “with rebellion comes awareness”. Well OK to be honest I met him in southern thailand.

        Maybe he made it all up but I don’t think so. He seemed genuine.

  2. When you look at the history and the decline of Unions in NZ since 1991 there have been many unnecessary deaths but only thing that surprises me is there have not been more horrific disasters like this.

    By the time of this disaster the EPMU “was marginalised and irrelevant”. I know exactly what is like to work in an industry with marginalised unions. The bosses always get their way.

    Oh yes hindsight is a fine thing but if I recall correctly mining was becoming marginal on the West Coast and as always so was employment in general and this mine with support of this very business friendly National government exploited that uncertainty to the hilt for a quick buck.

    There are laws in this country that are supposed to protect workers, we all know that and we also know that those laws that are regularly flouted because this very government made damned sure there was NO teeth to enforce them. No Union is the police officer, it is merely the very strong conscious of those laws and in better times ensured they applied. By 2012 Unions were gutted and flat lining. It appears joining the EPMU or having a job was a horrible choice to make (again something I have seen) and I am guessing that mine was not well unionised.

    From the NZ Herald http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11157949

    To quote Mike Winter then of the EPMU “Winter found Pike management “arrogant and unwilling to listen. They were prepared to tolerate the presence of the union in line with their legislative obligations, but they were not at all interested in developing a good relationship.”

    “In 2009, when health and safety manager Neville Rockhouse sought to have the union involved in a training exercise, Peter Whittall told him in an email: “Please do not use the union in the same sentence as anything at Pike. Our relationship and the way we communicate is between us and our employees.”

    This mine was a disaster waiting to happen because profit was all that mattered and the safety oversight that every miner was entitled to, to prevent what would be expected in a country that is less than 3rd world was not there. Jobs were played off against safety and in a desperate place bastards like the management of Pike River exploited that desperation.

    By 2012 rich men had got their way, no more stupid unions costing them money, no need to comply with the law and even if you were caught out no one would ever ever hold the culpable responsible because they knew they were ably supported by the millionaires of the National Party who would have their backs all the way.

    And if you don’t believe that then who in the management of Pike River was EVER held responsible for these men’s deaths? In fact who at all was ever held responsible? Answer, NO ONE!

    If this was 1975 then yes the Union would be to some extent blameworthy for failing to act but it wasn’t because by 2012 they were debarked and neutered.

    But to somehow blame Andrew Little really seems to me to be wrong and pointless.

  3. Martyn;

    Having only now read all the links/info on Pike River you must be commended for
    your excellent work. This is serious stuff indeed.

    Both Labour and Nats are responsible as well as the union because they could
    have LEGALLY done something to help/fix the situation it seems.

    The usual word I used to get from union officials was that THEY were afraid of
    being sued or worst still jailed.
    In other words the legislation scared them off,called their bluff, even though there were still legal channels they could have pursued.(especially Health&Safety.)
    That was the excuse anyway.

    The other tactic of course was do not respond to letters of complaint they might
    deem in ‘the to hard basket’. (Don’t visit site and let us battle on,under pressure,
    until the ‘Burn Out’ stage.)

    When unions negotiated to let new recruits in on lesser conditions than the
    existing employee’s then of course the goal would be to shed the old one’s as
    fast as possible.(whilst training the new ones of course.)

    As for the ‘euthanasia bill’, I could not agree with your stance more.

    The Doctors Ass. do not agree as well? Doesn’t it happen already in the rare
    cases that deserve it? On the quiet.

    As soon as it is law,to me, it is the thin edge of the wedge.
    The list recently you put up of Judith Collins wishes to withhold medical
    treatment (not complete either) is enough to send shivers down anyone’s spine.

    I was not aware of these attacks you have suffered,appalling.
    I used to think sometimes whether some of these top union officials were
    somehow ‘bought off’ or not.’ Just thinking.

    Keep up the good work.!

    Cheers.

  4. “The west coast miners have a proud tradition of unionism that led the way in the fight to win improved conditions not only in the mines but in all workplaces in NZ. The west coast miners stood firm with the wharfies in 1951 until the navy was sent to scab on the miners. Today it is a scandal that the miners’ union, the EPMU, should be included along with the company and the Government as contributing to the conditions that led to the Pike River mine disaster. Workers in this country should make it their duty to revive the west coast unions along with the rest of NZ union movement in the tradition of the militant unionism of the Red Fed and take charge of health and safety monitoring so that such a disaster never happens again!”
    http://redrave.blogspot.co.nz/2011/01/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html

    1. That’s $5 a week in fees. You’d want to try and make workers better off by at least $10 a week with in a reasonable time frame. And these funds may be a shot in the arm because of how unstable the work force is.

      It is difficult for ordinary people to equate a kid dying from drug abuse with the loss of 50 jobs from 20 years ago. But this is a broad range of issue that has to settle on a price, that can be cleared in a reasonable time frame. It has to be a price that can clear political hurdles as well as being affordable to all those involved.

  5. As a former Journalist (before her twitter antics made her unemployable in the sector*) maybe Jessica Williams might be able to help me with a word to describe when a group completely lacks any self awareness.

    *source; told to me by several media executives.

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