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  1. “Lol” (as they say)
    Warehouse Tory Street wasn’t much different yesterday @ Frank. Nor was a number of other outlets I just simply thought………nah fuck it! after 90 minutes or so, this is becoming a waste of petrol and effort and there are better things to spend time on.

    None of the staff had any sort of realistic protection although they were making feeble efforts to limit the number of people on the floor at any one time.
    Most people were in there to pick up NEEDless stuff and things – well even if they initially intended going in there to collect the last of the toilet rolls.
    Outside, clusters of people hugging and kissing and saying their goodbyes for a few weeks and planning their purchases from the nearby Noel Leeming.

    Being one of those supposed ‘essential workers’ (albeit now on a voluntary basis – delivering food and medicals to the old crocks), I was after a bit of ethyl alcohol and aloe vera gel – the former I was assured was in stock by visiting the website. Not a fucking chance.
    So much for sufusticated ticknolgee eh? (actually I could probably help them with their website, though I haven’t the slightest inclination to make an offer – fuck ’em)
    And I’d passed New World Chaffers where people had been lining up around the block since 7am, then past Liquor King where the Police were just arriving – presumably to do some checks – there was a line outside there too.
    Then back home ….. next to a few student flats owned by a notorious Wellington landlord where only a couple of days ago the weekend pre-loading before lining up at a few Courtenay Place bars went on as per usual. (Suspicions are he’ll be seeking a mortgage holiday whilst his tenants are expected to continue to pay rent – i.e. with the money left over after the purchase of the weekly quota of the 3 ‘P’s: P Piss and Pot, Actually probably the 4 P’s : P Piss Pot and Prozac.

    Pardon my fatalistic outlook, but I reckon this pandemic might just give people the necessary jolt required in a week or two. The only problem is that there’ll be a lot of innocent casualties (as is always the case) as a cost of doing bizzniss.

    I’m interested to know what is going to become of all those hoarded toilet rolls and household cleansers.

    1. Interesting observations, Tim.

      My job means I get out into the community and see a lot of what’s happening on the streets, suburbs, as well as inner city retail areas.

      And what I’m seeing is not reassuring.

      A few days ago, a rep from the hospitality industry was arguing on RNZ for night clubs/bars to remain open. She said the establishments could manage social distancing.

      What absolute self-serving tripe. Anyone who’s seen Courtney Place in the early hours knows that intoxicated people have as much respect for social distancing and other hygiene precautions as I have knowledge of the Mongolian language. The number of people from businesses (including Universities NZ) who want special “dispensation” beggers comprehension.

      These people will, literally, be the death of (some of) us.

      1. Well @Frank – like you, I’m a bit of an observer. Fortunate to have a panoramic view of Wellington central from an eastern perspecive, with a couple of mates who have a perspective from the west – from the north to the south as far as Newtown.
        It’s also interesting to see where the midnight oil is being burnt – in places like Molesworth’s Police National HQ and Min of Health, to various other government departments along the mile or two heading southward.
        Hopefully we’ll see more of your contributions again here on TDB and that life for you is improving.
        I remember you from the days of letters to the Editor to the Dom and Evening Post (in the days when they actually had a reading room equipped with human beings – some of who went on to be doyens of the world’s media celebs, others just tired old hacks, and still others who try to make a difference).
        Funny ole whurl eh? Kia Kaha as I know you will

      2. The Warehouse FB page is full of unhappy customers worried that they can not purchase their ‘essentials’ from The Warehouse. They seem to forget that the essential that we DO NOT want to purchase is A COFFIN which could very easily reach the top of the list of our essentials if we all don’t act responsibly. THIS IS WAKE UP TIME – the time for common sense.

  2. We are sheep. If one shopper goes in, then it must be alright, Jack. Brain switched off, we are the sleepy hobbits remember. Social Distancing has gotta be for someone else? Not concentrating, just scared. Not thinking of safety, just look for the specials. That’s important, must make the money last! FFS. Where are our leaders? Why is there F.A leadership? Where are these useless leaders? Does Jacinda Ardern have to do everything?Yep, because our brains are not working. Take care Frank.

    1. The younger generations have been dumbed down to sheep mentality, spend, spend spend, followed by high interest debt. If the irresponsible behaviour continues ‘natural selection’ will ensue, unfortunately they will take a lot of good people with them who don’t deserve to go.

  3. Mike “the moron” Hosking in his minute of mindless mental mutilations blamed the Warehouse fiasco firmly at on the govt. In the morons pea brain he was trying to spin the line that fair enough for business to try it on but the govt should have decreed days ago what an essential service was. The govt has failed, not the Warehouse etc. Likewise “idiots” (morons words to the PM yesterday) flouting isolation rules will also be all the govts fault for not bringing in a “military solution”.

    Yes, morons should be in enforced isolation.

    1. Jacinda could personally drag Mike’s children from a burning building and give them CPR for smoke inhalation and he’d likely complain about her being too slow. Or getting soot on their clothes. The man’s a first-class arsehole best ignored. Seriously, if the ground opened up and swallowed Mike Hosking, the country would be the better for it.

  4. From what I’m hearing, I am predicting there will be some unscrupulous non essential businesses flaunting the present health rules, by staying open, quite prepared to risk the health of NZers. I hope I’m wrong.They will be tracked down. I hope like hell they are severely punished for their disgraceful, selfish disobedience during a state declared national emergency!

    Many thanks Frank for keeping us informed. Stay safe and take good care.

  5. My Warehouse said:
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    Following government’s announcement on COVID-19 this store will close at 7pm, 25 March until further notice.
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    More grief for families.

  6. Great news on shutting down the Wharehouse . Good decision Govt.Sound thinking.

    My next major concern is for front line supermarket workers who see potentially around a 100 people each day with no protection at all , who could easily contract the virus and if asymptomatic could be infecting the public at point of sale .

    I was at a countdown in CHCH yesterday and not one checkout operator or shelf stocking staff had been given a mask.Jesus .

    Several scientific web sites claim the virus came remain active in the air for some 3 hrs.72 hrs on plastic , 24 hrs on cardboard.

    Given the number of shoppers crammed into a relatively confined air space with limited circulation surely Food Management and the Ministry of Health must collaborate to provide some real protection to this vital workforce now .

    They get paid shit wages and now they can die on the job ? Lets act now and give them a fair go .

    I am informed that normal hardware style masks are ineffective and an effective virus stopper must be a N 95 grade or higher .These should be sourced and supplied by management immediately.

    Given that super markets will become the most dangerous places to visit in the next 4 weeks it is totally irresponsible for Food Suppliers not to protect both their staff and the wider public .

    Common sense and isolation will break the chain .

    Look at Italy / Spain / UK/US —–Sleepy hobbits will be dead hobbits .

    Medical grade masks for all front line supermarket staff now.

    As Bill Gates once said ” Only the paranoid survive “.

  7. The warehouse executives weren’t worried about team members and customers worried about there pockets money talks business as usual

  8. The warehouse executives weren’t worried about team members and customers worried about there pockets money talks business as usual

  9. I’m gonna push back here. Firstly the chance of one of us dying from the Covid-19 virus right here right now are miniscule (two in a million). Further, the chance of someone actually having Covid-19 after testing positive for it is less than 10%, and this is generous. Assuming probability of a global citizen having Covid = 1%, and probability of correct covid diagnoses if you have it (true positive) or don’t have it (true negative) = 90% for each (which is a high accuracy for a test), then

    Probability (person with positive test actually having covid) =
    (0.9*0.01)/[(0.9*0.01)+(0.10*0.99)]
    = 8%

    Not only is the virus continually mutating over time making identification suspect, the disease manifests in everyone differently. This means making any causal link between having the virus and dying from it directly (let alone even being properly diagnosed) is tenuous. This discrepancy is seen in the Italian case. The deaths from Covid reported in this country have been estimated to be 99 times more than they should be. That is, the people who died did have the Covid virus but they also had up to three or more other serious conditions which meant they were at high mortality risk anyway. Researchers have reported then that perhaps only 1% of Italian deaths can be directly caused by Covid (even if we accept the death rates being reported, the thousands dead which haven’t been seen in other countries, the total death rate in Italy to date by including Covid has increased from 10.7 to 10.8 deaths per 1000). Whatever has happened to our Italian cousins, one with the world’s oldest demographics, is a tragedy.

    I went to Countdown today and waited a half hour in a line for a security guard to tell me I could gain access to an empty supermarket (50 shoppers allowed in at a time into a large warehouse, which must have been equivalent to at least a 10 metre social distancing factor, ridiculous). That is, I was forced to wait in close proximity to others during a health crisis, and left the shop empty handed, thus defeating the purpose of both accessing food as a human right and doing so safely. It reminded me of this ridiculous punitive atmosphere at WINZ. And like WINZ, Countdown are helping to create this police state. Instead of hiring security, they should be taking on more shelf stackers. And if the problem with empty shelves is poor planning, then they need to put people in charge who have the foresight, skills and drive to understand retail logistics. If there is a problem with supply then it is time for the government to step in to the grocery scene to ensure supply chains and products. So after spending half hour in a line at a Woolworths supermarket (formerly Progressive), exposed to other shoppers, and two minutes in the supermarket itself realising there was little to buy, I left and biked 2km to Foodstuffs New World (this journey poses much more risk than flu; if the trucks don’t run you down on the road, their diesel fumes will eventually poison you). The contrast was stark. Unlike Woolworths, who seem to be manufacturing the appearance of panic buying, New World was business as usual. The entry was unimpeded and welcoming, shoppers were treated as adults who could manage theirs and others risk, the shelves were stocked, people were relaxed, social contact time was able to be minimised due to quick turnover, and shoppers weren’t acting as if the sky was about to fall on their heads (sure some shoppers and staff were wearing PPE but there was none of the arbitrary 1.49999 metre distance separation demarcated with biohazard tape and enforced by the wild eyed. Honestly, wtf could Countdown’s hired muscle teach me about communicable disease and prevention anyway?). Foodstuffs got my respect today.

    So why this ramping up of the threats on the street, the militarisation of food supply and access to a basic human right, the supposed covid death tolls updated hourly and rabidly on the telly, the panic buying and price gouging by individuals and corporates alike (including medical and food suppliers), the gadgets that can supposedly tell if you carry the virus (some dude pointing a thermometer at your head which in itself is a method of spreading disease), the face masks which do nothing to protect from viruses, the destruction of economies and probably life as many people knew it? One thing is for sure, there’s no going back now. If this is an exercise in how to contain a threat to life on earth then governments need to show this unconditionally and we must support them. But if it is anything else, anything marginally hysterical, even surreptitious, then we need answers. Here the conspiracies abound: is this disease just a case of flu which is no more of a threat than any other in the community; is it a biological weapon released intentionally or accidentally; a false flag of some sort, or a twisted social experiment; are these government measures part of an ideological power play, or an economic opportunity. Some of these theories border on the absurd and demented, but then again, some of the actions and governments in the past 100 years have been clinically insane. And just where have these health professional saviours been while millions have died due to war and famine and disease this century alone? Have they been hiding in their committee rooms, practices and academic sanctums waiting for the right viral morphology to appear? The powers that be have a lot to answer for and it is incumbent on them to prove to the public beyond reasonable doubt, with hard facts, that any actions requiring these martial laws are required, are inevitable, are sustainable, and are for the greater good. “Trust us we’re the government” won’t cut it anymore. The lying, psychopath thief eco-rapist governments believing in magical thinking won’t cut it anymore. Because the shit storm that has been created socially and economically could result in more harm than good, even more deaths globally from austerity than letting the disease run it’s course naturally. The virus might be defeated but the patient might be killed along with it.

  10. Dunno about that,… but despite people reacting to this uncharted territory of a national lock down, in ways sometimes rebellious to the reality,… here we are.

    It is a concern that there will be many people afraid out of all proportion to whats happening , … I’d like to give a little comfort in a light hearted way to those fearful ones,…you are going to be alright. And for those family’s already dealing with this thing, take heart, you are not alone, and there are many wishing you well.

    Heres a song,…

    Take heart and relax.

    Bob Marley- don’t worry about a thing
    https://youtu.be/EYi5aW1GdUU?t=19

  11. Queue was at the local Pak n Save as usual for the past week. Nearly 100 people in line no obvious gap between them. Took 40 minutes for the person at the end, when I arrived to get in. At the same time the local vege shop and butchers are closing despite being told they could stay open earlier in the week and stocking up accordingly. Seems to me the idea would have been to leave them open to minimise the time people are going to be standing in those lines. Haven’t been able to book a home delivery slot with Countdown at all this week. Luckily we have been slowly stocking up for about six weeks when it became obvious this was coming. But will have to run the gauntlet at some stage. Look after yourselves during the lock down.

  12. ‘Click & Collect is awesome.

    Did our weekly grocery shopping this way for the very first time this morning.
    Takanini Pak n Save is 3.6k from my house. I was there and back in 30 minutes.

    I would have been even quicker, but I spent 10 minutes trying to find a car park. I finally found a space at the far end of the Pak n Save car park. I walked through the carpark to the front of the store dreading all the way that I might have to grasp the handle of a shopping trolley to get all my weekly shopping back to the car.

    I needn’t have worried. When I walked up to the Click & Collect, I saw that there were two dedicated carparks just for Click & Collect customers. Both spaces had a car in them. One minute, later both spaces were empty. I didn’t see any other cars waiting.

    I walked back to my car at the far end of carpark, got in and drove right up to the Click & Collect, unlocked the cubicle marked with my name using the pin they had emailed me. Inside all my groceries were very neatly packed in banana boxes. I opened the back door of my car, put the boxes with my groceries in them, on the back seat. Closed the door. Drove off.

    I never got within 10m of anybody. The whole process took 5 minutes, and was I was back home 7 minutes later.

    Retail grocery shopping will never be the same for me again. Highly recommended.

    https://www.paknsaveonline.co.nz/

    1. Good on you Pat. I’ve been trying for days to get into online shopping at NW New Lynn. No response to 3 emails asking for help. Realised they were pretty busy. Confirmed today when I’m finally online but the collections are booked up for a week – at least. Gave up. Our neighbour who offered to shop will now do more than pick-up.

      Unsure whether they give the old and feeble (me) priority. That would be a big help to the frail immune-compromised elderly.

  13. Letter to the NZ Herald posted April 2 2020

    Luckily there is safe water in abundance. But to be really safe we must stop the brash time-consuming supermarket food model right now.. Animals and humans survived and survive extremely well on foods that never saw a factory, example: farm animals eat grass, not sugared refined grass, Japan makes rice its mainstay, and so on. In this perilous emergency our masters are too hidebound and blinkered by convention and lured by profits and food taxes. We urgently need to set up outside tables in the fresh cleaner open air, with awnings to keep off the rain to supplant the present thoughtless fiasco of food buying which cannot stop the virus overcoming us. There is presently far too much touching by bared customer hands .Then supply bags of healthy satisfying brown rice, say, distributed speedily by well gloved properly masked staff (N95 standard masks with air vents only to be used since these save the eyes. The others do not.) This is a much safer food delivery model, that also ensures healthier bodies to fight and beat the virus. Learn from centuries old Japan not brash America.
    Brian John Evans Mt Eden Auckland
    April 2 2020
    But will they print it or not? Aye there’s the rub. Always Bottom Line with Media

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