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  1. Is there actually a way to force a referendum- no matter how initiated- to be binding? Successive governments have made it very clear that they don’t give two hoots about the will of the people except when it suits them. Didn’t something like 90% of the population vote for less MPs in one referendum? Still waiting…

    Unless we are guaranteed a binding referendum from the get go is it even worth it?

    1. what kay says/posits is correct..

      ..a non-binding referendum will change nothing..’

      ..and to my mind would be a waste of time and energy..

      ..and all to no avail..

      ..this is a bad idea..

      1. I disagree Phil. As Curwen says, it would also give the MPs who voted for law change the ability to claim they are just implementing the will of the people, if challenged by their more socially conservative supporters. You’d be amazed how many MPs agree the change is needed when asked in private, but feel like it’s political suicide to support it publicly.

        Yes, to initiate a referendum would be a huge effort, but it would also be a project that all the different groups supporting drug law reform could support and work together on in different ways. A way to get us all pulling in the same direction again, and to demonstrate just how many people care about fixing a broken law that continues to put thousands of otherwise law-abiding kiwis in prison unjustly, costs the public millions of dollars in invasive enforcement, and denies the public millions of dollars in tax revenue.

        The big challenge is going to be agreeing on what question the referendum should ask. Should we play it safe and focus on medical? Take the middle road, as the Law Commission did, and meekly suggest some kind of decriminalization? Or go for broke and propose the full regulated, taxed market approach that’s working so well in Washington, Colorado, Oregon, DC, and Alaska?

        1. Strypey, you raise some good points, all perfectly reasonable. Unfortunately, as you point out, our politicians are cowards and they’ve proven that over and over, no wonder so many of us are cynical about any attempts to force them to enact the will of the majority.

          Personally I’d back the go for broke option, but given the political resistance I believe we’ll have to start with legalising medical use. By NZ standards that would be a significant victory, many people would benefit and it would make further legalisation down the track harder for politicians to oppose.

        2. @ strypey..

          ..as you note..’a/any referendum would be a huge effort’..

          ..and that is why i oppose expending all that energy on anything that is non-binding..

          ..as all that effort (if non-binding) can just be ignored by the government of the day..

          ..yes..it would garner publicity..would give common-cause..

          ..but i don’t think those benefits are enough.

          ..and a non-binding referendum could well be welcomed by the prohibitionists/alcohol-lobby..as a significant delaying tactic..(and one that can ultimately be ignored)..

          ..i am almost really impatient with this issue..

          ..all the arguments have been made/proven..

          ..we just continue to go round and round in fucken circles..

          ..i mean..where key has his holiday home has had med-pot for over 20 yrs..and is moving to full legalisation..

          ..does/has any journo have the wit/fucken intelligence to ask key about this…?..about what scenes of societal-dissolution he has observed in hawaii as an outcome from med-pot..?

          ..do they fuck..!

          ..were any referendum binding i would fully support it…a non-binding referendum would just help to further delay the inevitable..

          ..and is something the prohibitionists/booze-lobby would welcome..

          1. @ Phil
            >> a non-binding referendum would just help to further delay the inevitable..<<

            I can't be certain a referendum would speed law change but you haven't presented a single coherent argument for the claim that it would delay it. Can you do that? I can point out that referenda have been part of the process in other jurisdictions, and that it offers a way for the silent majority to express their desire for legalization, without having to risk publicly outing themselves as "druggie sympathizers".

            If you don't want to support a campaign to initiate a referendum, fine, that's your choice. You're free to focus your energy elsewhere. Why waste it being knocking someone else's initiative?

  2. It amazes me how the United States can still be both the most progressive & the least progressive power on earth. NZ is behind the US on this particular issue which is absurd.

    1. Not quite the ‘united’ states. Some states, with various degrees of legalisation. The majority of states still remain stuck with unjust laws.

  3. Decriminalisation will take the value out of the product and help reduce gang and criminal revenues, it will also reduce the amount of police time involved in chasing minor drug offences and they can concentrate on the important stuff.

  4. Decriminalisation will take the value out of the product and help reduce gang and criminal revenues, it will also reduce the amount of police time involved in chasing minor drug offences and they can concentrate on the important stuff.

  5. 4 States legal for recreational. 19 more have ‘medical marijuana’. And 17 more allow CBD oil. The majority of US states allow cannabis when needed.
    Source: ‘History.Channel.The.Marijuana.Revolution’
    Highly recommended.

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