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  1. The thing with Seymour and the Greens and air travel is classic. They have (what they want to be) their fancy conference with implications that what they are about and what they are going to come up with carries and has some sort gravitas.

    Then they come up with stuff like Green air travel which is so vacuous it can only be taken seriously by buffoons and simpletons.

    The so called “veneer of environmentalism” matches the veneer of intelligence it has tried to create layered with its veneer of being principled.

    At least they have the wit to concentrate on the environment knowing that would attract attention. Not doing that might make them have to talk about their half-baked but firm convictions about things economic and to do with people having choices. Unfortunately they know that sticking to those and showing any semblance of pursuing those strongly and articulating those vociferously would attract a few nutbars and ensure they remain in political oblivion.

    Two oversights discovered on checking: 1) “firm” convictions should have in there “until there’s a vote to be gained or lost, and 2) What about the knighthood for David because a few people got to watch some World cup Rugby in a bar at 5a.m. ?

  2. I shake my head in wonderment that dinosaurs like Act and Seymour still exist… in fact… all over the world neo liberalism has been discredited… and yet we STILL have these die hard’s trying to sneak in through the back door…

    Its as if they haven’t been listening to what people are saying…don’t they realize privatization is now a dirty word to use in political circles?…Even National said they would but when they were voted in there was huge public backlash from their own voters about selling any SOE’s.

    Seymour – THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN .

    THERE IS TO BE NO MORE SELLING OFF OF OUR PUBLIC ASSETS.

    OPEN YOUR EYES AND EARS , SON.

    AND ITS NOT OUR FAULT YOU WERE BORN TOO LATE TO BE ABLE TO CASH IN ON THE LANGE, DOUGLAS, BOLGER, SHIPLEY , RICHARDSON , BUSINESS ROUNDTABLE AND CLARK RORTiING OF THE PUBLIC WEALTH.

    Sorry son, – you dipped out.

    And don’t think Keys gonna save you when he slips out the back door soon to Hawaii and your political career is left tarred with what you made public recently.

    You’ll be the last person he will be thinking about.

    1. And perhaps after you have done that ,- perhaps a reminder of what the right wing trolls do here on these forums….

      Just to let you know if we get a reply from Gosman, DAVE, Stephen or any other regular right wing paid for trolls,- so here it is – a link from our very own online news sources :

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11510969#sthash.3eX8UaRP.dpuf

      These neo liberal wretches will stop at nothing to deceive the voting populace.

      So be advised.

  3. The laughable thing for me is the claim that the Greens social policies detract from their environmental credentials to the point of being hypocrites.
    So then what does releasing environmentally focused policies do for a party of right wing libertarians?
    Hardly core business I would have thought!
    The hystrionic Seymour swingball serve predictably circumnavigates the pole to strike a self inflicted blow between the eyes to remind him of the definition of hypocrisy!

  4. “About the only nice thing I can say about this is that it quite clearly and eloquently illustrates the core component of neoliberal economic thought: that it’s not about creating new wealth so much as it is taking public wealth and handing it directly over to their mates in the private sector.”

    Which, when one thinks about it, is the sum-total of all privatisation.

    Private enterprise did not set up a rival to the Post Office telecommunications arm – they simply waited for it to be corporatised and privatised (at a cheap rate). Same with railways.

    Of course, private enterprise did but up Postbank – then closed it down, trransferring customers to it’s new owner, ANZ.

    And of course, we know how well private enterprise ran Air New Zealand. They ran it into the ground.

    As for ACT’s privatisation call for Landcorp – it’s a joke.

    1. “As for ACT’s privatisation call for Landcorp – it’s a joke.”
      One would certainly hope so.

  5. I know some very smart and principled people who still support and work with ACT. It beggers belief. But no more so than the smart and principled labour movement people who kept voting Labour right through the last 30 years. If the Greens followed the same arc, completely selling out any genuine environmental and social principles, but still spouting the same flavoured rhetoric regardless, no doubt some smart and principled people would keep orbiting around them too.

    It all just goes to show that politics is often more about symbolism and tribal affiliation than substance, even among smart and principled people.

  6. I wonder whether Epsom voters will take ACT and Seymour seriously next Election, I guess they will still continue to follow instructions from our Dear Leader?

  7. Somewhere in the world a bald-headed nutbar is finishing his PhD at Evil University and preparing the next ACT manifesto – Necrophilia! With tax cuts! Not realising the public response will be “Over my dead body”.

  8. I would be embarrassed if one of my best accomplishments was not going as many places as the average green party mp.

  9. i think seymour..stupid tho’ his ‘green’ privatisation-policies may be..will do ok with this angle..

    ..environmentalism has a long association with the right..(the nazis..in their domestic-policies..were very ‘green’..read not knowing the source/history/baggage..and they can make ‘green’ sense..)

    ..and not all national party voters want to lay waste to the planet..

    ..so act could harvest there..as a safe alternative for them to express their ‘greeness’..

    ..this could also help act/seymour be a safe protest-vote for those sick of key/national..

    ..the deal with key/national to prop them up will be done again..

    ..and the combination of the above factors mean i will be surprised if seymour is still on his own after the next election..

    ..and anyway..i think there is room for a green party on the right..(however flawed/comprimised right politics make right-‘green’ to fail the logic-test..)

    ..and i don’t think seymour/act is it..but they will reap benefits for pretending to fufill that role..

  10. It has the smell of Hooton all over it….Hooton has always fancied the Green Party as a subsidary of Nact

    1. He’s right strategically – an innovative far-right needs conspicuous virtues – and eco-virtues are presently popular. ACT is too small and too lazy to do actually green policy though – so we get cheap shots.

      As a campaign strategy it’s a bit like Winston’s though – he used to attack journalists every time he got a chance, then he went on to attack the Greens. It’s a way of being high visibility without formulating policy that might not be effective or popular and might be costly to abandon.

      Has ACT learnt anything? Given that their major policy remains the stealing of Landcorp I’d say they haven’t learned a thing. Using state power to steal things is essentially Stalinist – there is no entrepreneurial developmentalism in ACT, so as a party they do not deserve to survive.

  11. The connection between airfare travel cost and being more ‘green’ is a complete fallacy. Doesn’t provide any indication of who has burned more fossil fuels.

  12. “e. In fact, I’m given to understand that the way they ran things during their last Party term, was by pouring their Parliamentary Services resourcing into ‘campaign offices’ rather than the shadow-electorate outreach more common for Opposition parties”

    You do know that the Greens didn’t win a single electorate right?

    Which seems kind of strange that they would need more air travel to and from non-existent electorates than MP’s who actually have constituents they have to be there for.

  13. “e. In fact, I’m given to understand that the way they ran things during their last Party term, was by pouring their Parliamentary Services resourcing into ‘campaign offices’ rather than the shadow-electorate outreach more common for Opposition parties”

    You do know that the Greens didn’t win a single electorate right?

    Which seems kind of strange that they would need more air travel to and from non-existent electorates than MP’s who actually have constituents they have to be there for.

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