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  1. Congratulations, Susan, on a much-needed corrective to The Listener’s feature article.

    You are much too kind in your use of the word “misleading” to describe the piece. It was just another example of the Right’s determination to mess about with NZ Super – along with every other working example of social-democracy in action.

  2. I have seen that graph before we are fed this line and the more it is said the more people believe it is true that we cannot afford super. It really gets to me.

  3. Official unemployment figures are 4% (so actually 5.5%) so why bother putting more old people back into the work force when there are too many workers to spare anyway?

    Answer; maintaining labour-market flexibility – which is code for keeping workers desperate.

    It makes no sense financially either since the economy contracts every time the government cuts it’s welfare budget, which is what will happen if they raise the retirement age.

    To summarise; we’ll end up with more workers looking for less jobs in a contracting economy.

    With a contracting economy the tax take will be reduced and then we’ll need to make more cuts in government spending…

  4. Those who argue for raising the qualifying age for NZ Superannuation seem all to be white, wealthy and wallowing in a desk job. I haven’t encountered anyone in his sixties who’s spent a lifetime wielding pick and shovel eager to delay retirement.
    If anything, the qualifying age for NZ super needs to be lowered for people broken by a lifetime of toil. Susan St John’s alternative in her Retirement Policy and Research Centre paper: a universal basic income topped up by a benefit constrained by a rigorous tax (don’t say surtax, or Winston’s lot will start their needyrich wardance) shows the way: it could be extended to include a needs-assessed invalid benefit.

    1. John
      you are absolutely right but there is a wilful blindness to examining options other than raising the age. I agree the basic income should be extended to other groups such as invalids and sole parents. It is important to signal to the Retirement Commission that the 2019 review should take a wide view of the issues. There is a problem of growing poverty among retirees but raising the age is not a solution for that problem

  5. I’d add that, after a lifetime of reading it, even during my childhood, I gave up on the Listener some years ago. That was at the point where its diet of articles about self-improvement and to-which-school-should-I-send-my-child? became indigestible.

    Nowadays, I note its headlines in passing at the supermarket checkout, and congratulate myself on the money I’ve saved. Which – being an OAP – I sorely need to do, of course.

  6. I think we should actually be lowering the age to 60. We don’t have enough jobs anyway, and over time this will lead to huge positive flow on effects.
    For instance, allowing people five of the best remaining years of their lives to do activities that are fulfilling to them and will benefit their communities.

    1. couldnt agree more– people who can work and want to work in paid work are not doing better work than others who do the unpaid work

  7. If all of the data is based on an average wage, the figures are meaningless because of the distortions created by the very rich. The correct figure should be ‘median wage’.
    Three cheers for the support for a basic income! Zero cheers for totally ignoring the effect of robotics, which increases the total supply of goods and services without increasing the demand (since robots dont need to be fed). This will make all including superannuants, richer (with apologies to believers in Climate Change).
    Lastly, dont be too upset about the “Listener” taking this stance, Susan, I like the “Listener” too but am aware that most of their columnists are right wing. You just have to grin and bear it.

    1. Z

      I am disabled and say to you Z go try live on super before you make such toxic statements as “YOU GET MORE THAN EVERY OTHER BENEFICIARY SO STOP WHINING.”

      I paid taxes for all my years from when I was 15 to 65 for 50 yrs and expected support when I needed it, and now since I am still disabled I am going totally broke, as I have to pay my own way for disability treatments under your tory National Government:- and still do as your harsh toxic in-human system was sadly bedded in by deliberate insertion of your handpicked bureaucrats you helicoptered into place, to keep your blunt actions to kill off the old, weak, disabled, much like Hitler did during his purge of Germany’s ‘weak, disabled, and ethnic disadvantaged’.

      You Z should hold your head in shame.

      I hope you never have to suffer with a horrible disability as I have done to learn the cruel ‘REAL TRUTH’ here living on a “low retirement pension plan” such as NZ Super is today.

  8. What we urgently need is a tax reform, that taxes wealthy and high income earners more fairly at a higher rate, and perhaps also some form of a carbon tax, and also a capital gains tax, and a tax on some other so far un-taxed or too lowly taxed activities.

    Then all will fall into place, no need to raise the retirement age.

  9. Perhaps we could afford super had the Tories not cut taxes, benefitting the rich mostly, a few years back?? Tax cuts = slashed services and redistribution, QED.

  10. For a start, the government is NOT like a household. It is NOT revenue constrained. It has its own bank RBNZ. It can NEVER run out of NZD. It spends NZD into existence via things like superannuation, then taxes some of those NZD back. Taxes are NOT required for spending. They do not fund spending. They are not the same NZD. Taxes DO create spending space for things like superannuation without creating substantial inflation. Deficits or government debt do not create a burden on future generations as long as they are denominated in NZD. Whether superannuation is 4% or 10% of GDP, the government can always fund it. The level of government spending, how it is allocated and the level of acceptable inflation, are political decisions, not hard fiscal rules
    https://unframednz.wordpress.com/2018/06/13/modern-monetary-theory-part-3-deficit-spending-taxation/

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