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  1. My 13 year old grand daughter has a message for the minister .You are shit 75% of the kids at school are not engaging now and that will become worse when your new program kicks in fully .Todays students want to learn more than the 3 Rs .Take away options like out door education and others that you want to cut and half of the students are lost .We have employers moaning daily that kids are leaving school not work ready .Well they will be less work ready than our grandparents were back in the day when you could walk out the school gate and have a job by the afternoon with no skills what so ever other than the 3 Rs .

  2. Stanford will also have the power to force a school to become a charter school – this could follow on from a negative ERO report, but could also be done for a number of reasons eg. when a community such as Kelston Boys High rejects an aggressive takeover, or if she wakes up in a bad mood! Thanks to Brie for this information.

  3. It appears that Stanford cares little for local knowledge of education and believes the entire sector is simply a feeder for employers generating folk who don’t care about learning rather see it as an end to a mean of generating wealth (or avoiding poverty). How could any leader of the education sector be so ignorant?

  4. Excellent article. Let’s ponder the phrase, “absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Par for the course with Stanford and her cohorts. She has been humiliated so is striking back to try to salvage her reputation. She is true to the CoC form – a control freak, despot, dictator and bully. What makes it worse is she has no expertise or experience in the Education field so relies on sifting what she is sent, without too much comprehension of how it will fold out in the future. Again the lack of consultation or transparency is glaringly obvious. Her changes will detrimentally affect the whole future of NZ education and cause a digital divide between the ‘haves’ and ‘have-nots’ leaving us open to massive exploitation and privitisation. Is that really what we want – have we become that undemocratic? NZ has always been one of the top educators of children but clearly we can see that a large part of the downfall in our children’s education has been the replacement of the phonics method, mobile phones, social media, and with internet /AI, a laziness to actually put in the hard yards researching and investigating, as we had to in our day. It’s too easy to just copy and paste without absorbing the info.

  5. “Todays students want to learn more than the 3 Rs”

    Sorry. It’s not up to kids to decide what they get to learn. How the heck would they know what is good for them?

    It’s not about kid’s FEELINGS. It’s about inculcating SELF-DISCIPLINE. Indeed, if kids like to do something, it’s probably an indicator that we should not be letting them do it.

    They can do what they like to do in the school holidays. At school they develop skills to contribute to society and like it or not that means to the economy and productivity 90% of the time. That’s regardless of whether one lives in a capitalist or socialist society.

    You are not brought into this world to be happy. You are brought into this world to contribute. And if someone leaves school not knowing the 3Rs they will be able to contribute next to nothing, indeed they will probably be a net drain on society.

    1. I thought we were brought into this world because we are animals and animals reproduce.

      There’s nothing that says we have to contribute. We may choose to contribute because we see it as a way to organise ourselves and live more comfortable iives.
      There’s no logic in ideology.

    2. FFS … Of course kids should have some say in what they learn. And more as they get older. They learn better when they like what they’re doing, and eventually what they learn should tie in with their aspirations in life. Otherwise we might as well just put them through the Spartan Agoge, or the Hitler Youth. And even the Hitler Youth had a few things that kids liked doing.

    3. Sorry. It’s not up to kids to decide what they get to learn. How the heck would they know what is good for them? – from Mark’s comment.

      Haha. The reverse now must be true. Kids need to want to learn, so start on things that interest them, then widen the scope. Because as at present it is obvious that the adults who think like you Mark have no bloody idea of how to think, analyse, and actually many don’t do anything requiring physical dexterity, nous and skill, they are jsut finger tappers. They don’t have any concept of human strengths and imaginations or foibles that so often lead us personally astray or to vote for people and things that will lessen the quality of our lives and deny others life while not breaking laws; smarts.

      Here is a fact about an apparently excellent educational institution I found, and source.
      United World College of South East Asia (UWCSEA) in Singapore. This school incorporated a lot of outdoor activities and “learning by doing”.[5]
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Jarvis#Early_life_and_education
      and
      Learning – UWCSEA | International school in Singapore
      https://www.uwcsea.edu.sg › learning
      UWCSEA’s learning programme consists of five interlinking elements: academics, activities, outdoor education, personal and social education, and service.

  6. With 5 of my kids presently in either primary or secondary school I welcome any changes because the current situation is a virtue signaling shitshow.

    1. From reading these articles I’d assumed that our education system is extraordinary and that our kids were getting a gold plated education.

      That education standard was firmly put in place between the years 2017-2023

    2. Well, you better define what these virtue’s are.

      Because for all we know it could be the virtues the Nazis or the child raping Greeks believed in.

      I have a feeling you’re upset they’re being told that other people and perspectives deserve respect

      And as someone paying through taxation for your children’s education, I also want a say in what our children are being taught.

      I’d rather they were taught to respect others than be made into unquestioning drones to serve the interests of the New Zealand Initiative.

      5 kids… Ever thought of putting it away mate? Maybe you’d stop whining.

    3. A couple of my kids recently went through one of the most liberal schools in the country. Their 3R’s were good enough to achieve NCEA Level 3 in Calculus, Statistics and English. Maybe yours are focusing on the wrong things or looking for excuses like their father

  7. Oh dear, Frank full of Wank strikes again.

    EVERY “western” country has seen it’s educational outcomes basically stagnate.

    Meanwhile, all the other countries have dramatically improved theirs.

    Which has crowded out the top of the table.

    Thus the “drop”.

    Oh, I know,I know…. It hurts because maths and statistics are hard for you. That’s why you believe Erikas lies about the stats, which were debunked months ago. Do keep up…

    I’m sure you’re hearing plenty of anecdotes when washing windscreens at the intersection, but maybe leave the tough stuff to the professionals in future.

    “Feminise” standards…

    You’re a fucking joke.

      1. Yes, yes I am.

        Because ignorant fuckwits need to be mocked until they start exercising their brains. Ignorant fuckwits like you Bob.

        How do you prefer to be mocked? Politely?

        No comment on international PISA ratings I see. Where those facts too confronting for your frontal lobes?

        1. Golly the Cinder loses it, I’m worried about her/him.
          The insults thrown at me I find most amusing mainly because they say more about Cinder than they do of me.

      2. Sometimes we get sick of trying to make our point with FACTS because we get no facts in return, just silly comments and smugness oozing from every word, from Btf anyway.
        Your comment Frank was much longer than usual and much more interesting. You aren’t immune to playing the man rather than the ball, however,
        NCEA is a national party invention which hasn’t been tinkered with much by Labour.
        Why was it started? Oh now I remember, achievement results were dropping and something needed to be done!
        What we can say is, that both styles of teaching have been tried within the memory of people commenting here and neither seems to have stemmed the decline in reading or maths standards. Can we conclude that the system isn’t really the problem.
        The problem may have more to do with poverty, lack of permanent housing causing children to be moved a lot. Families unable to provide for their children’s needs because of pay not keeping up with costs. That would also cause lack of supervision of homework and reading at home with parents too exhausted to do their jobs properly as parents. It’s a vicious cycle when your standard of living declines and never catches up again. Everything suffers, including our ability to take advantage of what’s offered.
        I know you and Bob and a few others will only see a very Black & White version of what’s going on, bootstraps and all that.
        The Minister is not a teacher, therefore she has almost no understanding of what goes on in a classroom. She sees only Black & White too. The results of what happens in the classroom will only be measurable after about 10 years. There are too many variables in play for it to be accurate now.
        Let’s look at it all in say, 5 years. When everything is averaged out, I don’t think you’ll see much change except the continuation of what’s happening now, falling standards.
        Cinder knows more about the process of teaching and learning than either of you. She/He has no need to play the man, she/he has the facts. Perhaps we’re all just sick of idiotic nonsense comments generated by failed ideology and not backed up by reality or sense.

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