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  1. It seems to me that we have public servants & consultants with very high pay rates who recommend continued research into different aspects of poverty with the main aim being to enrich themself & no thought about actually improving things for those in poverty.

    1. Sadly, after years of this I have come to the same conclusion. The worst part is taking the unpaid time of the people who are actually on the ground helping those affected and seeing the damage caused. They may be well intentioned, but they don’t see the bigger costs of their reviews and the damage when they go nowhere

      1. Often these reviews bring nothing concrete, it may talk problems and not solutions. If there are solutions, that may be too challenging or unpalatable to the audience. Hence, after spending millions on reviews, nothing change.

        1. Sadly true Benny – see it repeated over the decades. Going through the motions. But are we gradually seizing up as time goes by. Got to keep going as Susan St John does. It’s a hard world if you want to apply known effective social science aimed at assisting society as a whole. That doesn’t please the always disguised class consciousness in the ambitious.

        2. Thanks for comments. We have seen that the govt will reverse bad policy ( eg cancer drugs). if outcry strong enough. It is going to be exhausting to opposed on each issue. And we must encourage Labour to do better

  2. No payments of debt to W and I by those on a main benefit.

    Where when are children re-finance private debt* (credit cards, car, other consumer debt) and ensure a cash (bank account) reserve. This enables easier payment of rent and the like, on loss of employment or partners. And then work with charity groups to develop their involvement in providing interest free debt.

  3. The people on the ground – the NGOs etc are actually doing a modern government’s work yet often being treated like immigrant labour here, too often not well treated; no or poor wages, long hours, often no homes, hard to find remedies for this. The charity or help group may be cancelled peremptorily after a few years whether showing good or minor outcomes.

    People don’t realise how this theme plays out throughout NZ/AO. And I repeat a few lines from a book about how Hitler rose to power in Germany . From The Death of Democracy by Benjamin Carter Hett : Few Germans could imagine [the war’s outcomes]. It is hard to blame them for not foreseeing the unthinkable. Yet their innocence failed them, and they were catastrophically wrong about their future. We who come later have one advantage over them: we have their example before us.

    The same words apply to us as did the 1930s Germans. But we have not seen the comparison and never will; we don’t have enough intellectual depth in our education and home lives have little philosophical input, it’s all get up and go physicality without much contemplation, questioning, trying for an understanding of anything.

    We are in a different mindset than in the 20th century, and it seems that there is no way back. It is as if the welfare state had been a fashion, now passe’. So there has to be thought on how to achieve a modicum of decent compassion and inclusion in a balanced society and its comforts and services for the increasingly impoverished. Which will grow with the tanks of tech and AI etc. squeezing us out like toothpaste!

    1. Well said, as usual, especially about the welfare state being no longer fashionable.

  4. Furthermore,
    so much of this debt can be generated by the decreasing competence of the government agency staff.
    I worked 7 months in the W&I call centre in 2007. I have had periodic engagement with them over the intervening years, a few main benefits for a year, mostly non-beneficiary accommodation supplement.

    First the ethos of the Clark regime staff “making sure everyone got their full and correct entitlement”, has withered away. Second, the impoverished pay rate paid to W&I frontline staff, and huge stress has seen competent and expert staff wither away. This year I made the mistake of using jobseeker while working casually, just in case y income dropped too far – it did not. But every contact with them was a disaster of screw ups. Including a large chunk of debt that was not my fault, their internal systems.
    Fortunately I knew the system well enough to push and push, get the debt cleared and so forth. That is not the same for the average kiwi.
    The same goes for ACC and IRD. Competence has dropped, secrecy and non-communication has increased, and it is almost impossible to speak to a person with discretion and authority. Just as the onset and sunset of call centres has seen a collapse in service and responsiveness, It will only get worse with AI calling the shots.

    Write off the debt, have all kiwis entitled to a yearly tax credit or pay at the level of the main benefit, and be done with most of the ministry. Get back to helping NZers in need.

  5. Thanyou Paul for these great insights. You are so right. There needs to be loud demands for proper reform and debt write offs immediately. Repairing balance sheets will require deliberative sustained policies.

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