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  1. Pharell should learn from Beyonce? So what, he should learn that the place of men is to ‘put a ring on it’?

    1. Nice work on reducing Beyonce to one lyric. Anything else to add, or is that as good as your argument gets?

      1. Well you haven’t provided any content against my point, you tell me how this well known lyric of hers is empowering for women?

        1. Perhaps I wasn’t clear? My point was that you have reduced Beyonce’s feminism to one sentence.
          It’s a pointless and stupid argument. One sentence doesn’t define an artist, or what they stand for.
          But if you have to know, why don’t you just check wiki instead of having me answer to your stupid logic? Apparently, the lyrics are Inspired by her secret marriage to Jay-Z in April 2008, the song explores men’s unwillingness to commit, a topic that motivated Beyoncé to write “Single Ladies”, “the only public statement [she and Jay-Z] ever made about marriage”

          Looks as though the lyrics are talking about gendered behaviour of men and women in relationships…happy now?

  2. Yes, the video was pretty bad, but the furore about the song rests on a misreading of the same order of Reagan’s misreading of “Born in the USA”.

    How do you expect to change people’s minds when you can’t even parse pop song lyrics?

  3. I’m not well versed with music nowadays, just not “with it” and what I hear is not my cup of tea. But I am aware of Pharrell through Daft Punk’s Random Access Memories, I found some songs quite appealing due to the contribution of Nile Rodgers and that sound reminiscent of the 70’s. Pharrell’s singing was complementary. While the music’s sound is good, the lyrics are terribly shallow.

    I understand Pharrell furthered his success with some other collaborative works. I guess the success went to his head and revealed his true colours with this crap he’s been producing and talking. Hear some music critics regard his music as shallow and lacking innovation, so I wouldn’t expect much from his brand of “feminism”.

    I totally agree that masculinity and power structures need to be reassessed and actions speak louder than words. A good example of how wayward masculinity can be today is demonstrated with men who take steroids and “king-hits”, a projection of power through a muscular image and a disproportionate response using extreme force to settle a disagreement or misunderstanding. That type of “ideal” doesn’t bode well for women and society as a whole. How about expressing oneself and understanding instead of bottling-up issues and pent-up anger? The mentality of some men I suspect are beyond the point of no return in regards to treating women or others as equals, such is their sense of traditional entitlement. Enlightening youth makes for a better future, but entertainment that makes old stereotypes look in vogue seriously backtracks on any progress.

    This current system makes token gestures towards addressing social injustice, however the injustices still lurk amongst us in an evolved form. Hearing from those with two-faces make a vain attempt to appear enlightened and then deny any injustices exist today is the pinnacle of absurdity. Who’s stupid enough to believe social injustices dating centuries or millennia have disappeared because about thirty years ago an economic system with a reactionary core was introduced? Today is all about the power-hungry furthering and protecting their privilege at the expense of others.

  4. I am so sick of “pop culture”. Every person in a video gets objectified, male and female. Its demeaning and so boring. Where’s the fun and excitement when nothing is left to the imagination, when there is no mystery or chance of a serendipitous delight? Makes me glad to be old enough to have had romance in the years before video “porn”. Don’t get me started on the lyrics and language, its so dumbed down, sexist, violent, stereotyping, dull dull dull.

      1. That figure of 96%, where is the research for it? All instances in a google search seem to reference back to Laci Green a feminist blogger who calls herself a “sexuality geek” and she does not cite the source or research for the 96% figure.

        There must be a vast number of images on the net, print and TV, how would anyone go about analyzing enough of it, decide for each individual image what category it belonged to, and come out with an exact figure like 96%? That would have to be a massive research project to undertake.

          1. and errrrrrrrrr really? Yeah of course it was a massive research project how do you think we get any stat? Like say how many women will experience rape or sexual assault BOOM 1 in 4. Jesus *facepalm*.

          2. You did not link the 96% claim to any research.

            You link to a TED talk by the feminist Heldman who asserts the claim with no reference to research or a source – her own or

            anybody else.

            Laci Green makes the 96% claim without referring to any research or source – Heldman is not cited.

            Any google result on the figure produces only a reference back to assertions by Ms Heldman or Ms Green, not to any kind of

            research project.

            “and errrrrrrrrr really? Yeah of course it was a massive research project how do you think we get any stat?”

            Great, so you could give a link to this research project or source or some kind of summary of it, other than another

            feminist making an unreferenced assertion on youtube?

            That 1 in 4 claim comes from a 1985 Ms Magazine about USA campus students. How is this suppose to apply to all countries or

            even just Western ones? Or even to USA national figures? Does this 1985 stat apply today – anywhere?

            The definition of ‘sexual assault’ was so inclusive and the questions so ambiguous in that survey that only 27% of the

            supposed rape victims believed they were raped. 42% of them continued to have sexual relations with their supposed

            attacker.

            The reality is that 1 in 4 stat is inaccurate and is misused.

  5. I agree, looking into the masculine identity is a must when looking into feminism. We can challenge the lyrics of Blurred Lines because it was a massively popular song, but there are many songs out there with a similar message – if not worse. Women don’t control what is popular in mainstream music, men do. So it is inevitable that songs like this will continue to prop up and feminists will critique against it – it is an ongoing vicious cycle. However, we can’t discount Pharrell as being a misogynist, as you have written in the article, men need to unpack their masculine modes driven through patriarchy – so in my opinion, Pharrell is on the way to unlocking a real respect for women. Perhaps his album cover with women in robes is contradictory to what he has said in his interview with Oprah, but he’s in the music industry. I doubt any of his album covers have been a fair representation of the image he has wanted to portray.
    Lets leave room for men to breathe as they come into a new way of thinking where women are their equals and not their possessions.

    1. Go ahead.

      All the Blurred Lines controversy did was make the feminist movement look illiterate. Y’all could have actually listened properly.

  6. And then I open this page and see a golliwog avatar in the throws of masturbation. Goodbye, Daily Blog. If I wanted that crap, I’d join the Wail Army.

  7. As my good friend John astutely pointed out while I was discussing this article with him, “declaring oneself to be ‘feminist’ or ‘standing for women’s rights’ is one thing. But a declaration itself is not enough. Anyone who considers themselves in favour of women’s rights has a responsibility to learn theory, and to use it to deconstruct patriarchal structures.

    Anyone who is in favour of women’s rights would do well to run a mile from the “theory”, which is risible French nonsense used to trick the feebleminded into thinking they’ve discovered something profound.

    Many intellectually sophisticated people would love to support equal rights, but they don’t see why they ought to be indoctrinated into continental pseudo-philosophy to do so.

    1. I agree, Post Modernism/Deconstructionism is a useless “philosophy”. It was never taken seriously in the philosophy department when I went through uni, but was and still dominates in the Comparative Literature, Wymmins Studies, Post Colonial Studies type courses where there is little intellectual rigor but plenty of dogmatism.

      1. “I agree, Post Modernism/Deconstructionism is a useless “philosophy”. It was never taken seriously in the philosophy department when I went through uni”

        To be fair, that probably legitimises postmodernism/poststructuralism more than anything. NZ universities are hardly well known for their philosophy.
        But each to their own. I find analytical philosophy leads me to making simplified assumptions about complex realities – and in the end it perpetuates more problems than it solves. I find the dogmatists are always looking through an analytical philosophy lens, rather than via continental philosophy.
        I dunno what you’ve been reading, but the postcolonial stuff I’ve read is the antithesis of dogmatism – the whole school of thought emerged in response to dogmatism. Maybe try some more reading?

        1. Actually to be fair, it is a credit to any philosophy department that doesn’t take PoMo seriously when it comes up with gems like “E=mc2 is a sexed equation” or claims that science is just another “story” no more true or valid than shamanism or Intelligent Design “stories”. Very poor philosophy indeed, it really doesn’t deserve to be called philosophy – sophistry would be a more fitting term.

          Noam Chomsky in an interview describes the rise of PoMo and how the rot spread from Paris to the rest of the West. In the 70s the Leftist Intellectuals were infatuated with Maoism and Stalinism, especially those based in Paris. But the Left intellectuals were forced to dump these ideologies in the face of the fanaticism, atrocities, and mass murder occurring in China and the Soviet Union. Virtually overnight they suddenly started spouting PoMo nonsense.

          As part of the History of Philosophy, the continental stuff is interesting, but otherwise has proved to be a Fail eg Marxism.Philosophy generally is in a malaise presently and PoMo is a symptom of that.

          As for me needing to read PoMo, as Noam Chomsky points out, behind the incomprehensible meaningless jargon of PoMo are a few simple truisms like “gays aren’t treated very nicely” or “racism is wrong”. Hardly ground breaking, insightful, innovative stuff.

          1. …and we have a Chomsky critique of theory and continental philosophy…how predictable.
            Chomsky is a nice guy, and got a big brain on him, but it’s a shame he doesn’t put it to use. Chomsky is hardly a philosopher, he’s just a walking Wikipedia…and since we all have wiki in our pockets now, and can look up any statistic in two minutes, people like Chomsky are now redundant.
            Chomsky is bitter that technology makes him more or less pointless these days.
            I guess I hang out in different circles because Marxist philosophy is not in a malaise at the moment, in fact it’s been building momentum all over the place – and only getting stronger. If you’re waiting for the return of the 1950s version of Marxism, it ain’t gonna happen.
            I’m not really sure why you’d bother to turn up on this page and display such irrational and ill-informed anger. Is your identity a white male Marxist?…if it is then I get the malaise comment

          2. Interestingly you don’t actually rebut any of the points I or Chomsky make, instead engaging in character assassination. Seems you don’t know what philosophy actually is.

            These “circles” you “hang out in” are obviously Deconstructionist / PoMo echo chambers, where sophistry is practiced, not philosophy.

          3. I’m not going to get into a Zizek-Chomsky styled debate with you.
            I agree that post-structuralist thought emerged from Paris. And some theorists had subscribed to Maoist/Stalinist communism…but not all, for example post-Marxists influenced by Gramsci and the Frankfurt school etc.
            The result of such a discussion would go nowhere. You’d continue to wave your old white cock around proudly as you rant on with your reductive drivel. That’s not something I want to engage with sorry.

            I never attacked Chomsky’s character – I just said he offers little more than wikipedia does. That’s not an insult. Look through your previous comments to find the character assassinations, then maybe sign up to an anger management support groups.

            Your process of simplification is insanely boring. Most of us moved on from that years ago. You’ll catch up, just keep reading

  8. err pretty sure it is a good move to do your research in relation to topics or movements you have an interest in. Reading books and articles is a good thing. I tell no lies. O_0

  9. Looks like the feminist Laci Green got herself in a whole lot of trouble with her blogging. Some of her fellow Social Justice Warriors turned on her with accusations of transphobia and Islamophobia. Despite her desperate attempts to clarify and apologise she was bullied and hounded off tumblr. She received death threats with pictures of her apartment.

    I almost feel sorry for her. Almost.

    That’s why I have moved away from the Left, it has been poisoned by the toxicity of PoMo / Identity Politics with crazy SJWs acting like a Red Guard on the internet.

    1. yeah I have been reading about that, personally as someone who has a lot of friends in the LBGTCQ community who talk to me a lot about the prejudices they have to endure, I am not overly cool with anyone who shows those prejudices. I cited Laci Green because she is a well known and by alot of people, respected person. Many journalists and bloggers often say dumb shit without realizing it, John Pilger for example is incredibly misogynistic but he gets a lot less shit about it.

      I think it is interesting people are ripping apart my stats or basically telling me women have equal rights now (wow you got to be some kind of stupid to believe that shit) and not discussing toxic masculinity or any of the other points I raised that desperately need informed intelligent conversation.

      1. oh and most female journalists/bloggers often get death threats esp. if they write on topics like feminism, women’s rights, ect. they are often the targets of cybersexism and cyberbullying, Laurie Penny has spoken out about it a fair bit (she even wrote a book on it). Many people who write in defense and for Palestine also receive death threats it really depends what you lend your pen to.

        1. …and p.s most people have said ignorant/sexist/racist/phobic shit at some point in their lives, a lot of the comments on here are shining examples of inherent sexism the only difference if you not not receive death threats, threats of violence and other shit. Those actions are just as bad as Laci Green saying dumb transphobic/islamophobic stuff. Call people on their bullshit but do not threaten their safety or their lives. Because two wrongs certainly do not make a right.

          1. You are missing the point.

            Poor Ms Green was the victim of a witch hunt by the Social Justice Warriors. Her desperate efforts to appease the mob and assure them she was one of them only enraged them further, until she fled the internet to escape the bulling and death threats. Psycho stuff.

            This is reminiscent of the Marxist derived Maoist Cultural Revolution where “denunciation meetings” and “struggle sessions” were held and victims humiliated, tortured publicly and forced to confess to “counter revolutionary” thoughts and acts, or of being “capitalist roaders”.

            Lucky the mob that attacked Laci don’t have that power but they have exactly the same state of mind.

            Of course the usual appeal to emotion is employed to rationalise it – “We are fighting oppression! We are fighting for Social Justice!”

      2. “I think it is interesting people are ripping apart my stats”

        That is interesting because I have been trying repeatedly to reply to your defense of the 96% claim above but whoever is moderating is not allowing me to reply. Again the 96% is from where? – no research cited, just assertions on youtube. You got serious problems with your 1 in 4 stat too.

        And then you make an appeal to emotion, apparently no one is allowed to question the robustness of the stats you present because you are fighting a good war against oppression or something.

        “[issues] that desperately need informed intelligent conversation.”

        You aren’t going to get informed conversation using dubious stats.

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