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  1. The only comfort I take from the march is 1000 out of 1 million is a small percentage and some of those were more anti 1080 or other causes.
    It is a pity he uses his power not for good but for evil

    1. Trev – He was just trying to shit stir and make himself a victim of police etcetera, because playing the victim is the current global dialectic, but I gather that he wasn’t even able to rustle up a zephyr, let alone a storm. One can only hope that his hapless devotees don’t get infected, because the hospital system is under enough pressure, especially with innocent fragile babies and toddlers afflicted with the RSV virus, and of course, patients in pain on waiting lists.

      Some years back I think he led a parade through the Wellington CBD one lunchtime, with characters chanting,
      “ Enough is enough.” It made a mildly entertaining diversion watching out boring workplace windows, but few knew what it was about – the spectators around Willis Street and Lambton Quay were workers, busy with real jobs, and more important things to do in their downtime, and irritated when marching boys block the traffic.

  2. Irrespective of what one thinks about the actions of Tamaki and his cohorts, there is real anger building in Auckland against the state for their selective enforcement of the lockdown. Be they gang funerals not policed, a senior policeman pulling rank to get through the border to take “mates” to a funeral (Tangi?), gang member with Covid getting home isolation instead of being packed up to MIQ like every one else, just a few examples of selective enforcement.

    Next week the state will lower the Auckland lockdown level to 2 for the simple reason that another round of the wage subsidy is due. The state will try and keep a ring fence around Auckland but it simply will not last. There will be convoy’s of people en mass busting through. Police wont be able to stop them for, unlike Melbourne, there are not enough police resources to stop them. Especially if there are a hundred motorcyclist going south to attend a funeral.

    I think the state is fighting a losing battle with the Auckland lockdown and best, this week, have a better plan going forward. Politically the lockdown is unsustainable, mental health wise it is unsustainable, financially it is unsustainable, providing children with an education it is unsustainable, police resourcing reaching their limits makes it unsustainable, increase in crimes make it unsustainable (linked to police resources being directed to containing the Auckland populace behind the fence), increase in inflation makes it unsustainable, etc., etc.

    As for the “expert” academics safely hiding in their state funded ivory towers (Baker looking at you!) please don’t pontificate about a lockdown till Christmas. Totally unenforceable and unacceptable. Time for the “experts” to stop the fear campaign. The Auckland public are no longer in a mood to tolerate a lockdown extension. Please tell the public what increases in medical infrastructure is required, to live with the virus, in the future and how the state should provide for this.

  3. The Police probably adopted the best tactics–this time–but if Destiny is going to keep such potential COVID spreader events going, the cops will need to go in more firmly and sit the Bishop on his arse.

    Curwen is likely right that the Tamakis are a bit of a false flag at the moment for all sorts of disgruntled people and organisations. Too gutless or aware to call their own rallies. Events like the Domain gathering indeed do not just happen, they take organisation.

    p.s. I looked on MSD site yesterday, typed “Destiny Church” into the search box re Employer Wage Subsidies, and Destiny is down as having received just on $128,000! worth for its Auckland and Hamilton offices/trusts.

  4. This event took place on the steps of our War Memorial Museum; I can only wonder what the soldiers who sacrificed their lives, and all those who endured years of war and all that that entails, would think of Tamaki and his mob’s inability to work for the common good for just a few more days. His egotistical driven stunt has put weeks of real hardship endured by many at serious risk of failure; his real values on display.
    What a stark contrast to the outstanding efforts of the AOG Church members that found themselves at the centre of a cluster.

    1. Precisely, Peter. Somebody articulated this to me last evening, about our soldiers making sacrifices going off to various wars and whose lives never came right again, but believing that they were acting for the common good, and doing the right thing. Tamaki posturing around a war memorial honouring the dead is sickening.

  5. If the police weren’t going to enforce the health order because it was Brian Tamaki and his supporters, if they “monitor” (do nothing) about gangs defying the gathering rules along with mindless traffic law violations and tolerate one of their own senior officers lying his way through a border checkpoint then equally they can’t be bully boys/girls and pick on ordinary citizens who breach either.

    And having said that, now all the health laws and rules are unenforceable, why bother with the charade any longer?

    Get rid of the optional health orders and get on with life! It’s not working and had lost credibility.

    1. X-ray, did you want a Melbourne type enforcemrnt to occur? Will you be willing to forgo your ICU bed for those who are prepared to accept abidance by the rules for the common good?
      There appears to be a perception amongst the ‘open up’ brigade that some sort of utopia exists out of lockdown – nowhere in the world has that been shown to be correct.

      1. Peter, my point is the police cannot pick and choose like they are currently.

        They target the easy citizens like individuals who dare to stray too far from home, but when someone like Tamaki or the gangs blatantly ignore the rules, and nothing happens, what are the rest of us supposed to think?

        1. I see it like this – the way a fire brigade tackles a forest fire is a lot different to how they tackle a suburban house fire. Yes, I agree, Tamaki and others must be held responsible, but that will take time and it may come in unexpected ways. No way do I think the police should have got into a Melbourne type stoush.

          1. Peter Kelly Agree 100%. I’ve not heard Tamaki speak before, but he sounds an awful slob and the police were right not to get into any playground scrapping with him.

      2. Peter, there are two choices for the state to make. Either enforce the lockdown’s with a very heavy law enforcement presence (a la Melbourne where law enforcement officers look more like star war storm troopers) and where EVERY one is subjected to law enforcement, or we accept that lockdown’s are not enforceable and as such the state needs to build more health care infrastructure to cater for a covid outbreak.

        There is no alternative and calling on the goodwill of the people is not a working proposition. Fences dont keep covid in (as witnessed today with the Raglan positive result.)

        Ardern is now in between the proverbial rock and a hard place. She is going to earn each one of those 9000 dollars she receives per week from the tax payer.

        Lock the country down (and risk losing the Auckland vote) or spend money on health infrastructure.

        1. Gerritt, firstly, it’s far to late to try and deal with this outbreak by building up the health sector, and no health system in the world has been adequate to do so anyway. I would disagree that this is an either or situation – storm trooper tactics ultimately achieve nothing but spreading the virus. As well as subsequent police action I would like to see community, especially business rebellion against Tamaki and those involved. Given what the business community has suffered in the lock-down how about refusing to Destiny Church credit and services. And to all of Tamaki’s adherents who have lost jobs and income and now put at extra risk, start thinking about about who you think is worthy of your tithe.

          1. Peter Kelly – Given that the New Zealand health system is very run down, then I’d also suggest also refusing hospital services to Tamaki devotees who have not been vaxxed, get covid, and need hospitalisation for it.

            Tamaki’s lot have made choices, just like we all have, and they should have to live with the consequences. Many medical conditions are not the result of a conscious choice, and patients who would otherwise receive hospital treatment should not be put on the back burner because of others’ seeming foolhardiness.

            The moral responsibility rests with Tamaki to care for any of his lot discriminated against in any way, because of where he has lead them.

          2. Snow White wouldn’t that be great if we could make people responsible for the consequences of their decisions!

  6. You forget one thing Marty…Brian has GOD on his side, which means his is a righteous crusade of the afflicted, oppressed and bored that see him as the Messiah. Look who cares about what he gets up to, he is no threat to anyone and is light entertainment for the nation. Indulge him, let him prance around and get a laugh out of it. Praise the Messiah! I’d rather have him driving around on his Harley than gangs flouting all laws attending funerals for their criminal scum members.

    1. There may not be too many Aucklanders getting a laugh out of Tamaki’s prancing. The Government will now be faced with either keeping the city in an extended lock-down for the incubation period or letting Covid loose with the attendant consequences. Further more Oldie, have you not noticed the Destiny gang on their Harley’s wearing patches.

      Tamaki and Co. will need to keep their heads down – the Police have six months in which to lay charges and will not be wanting for evidence. The penalties of imprisonment for up to 6 months, or a fine of up to $4,000 are likely to be sobering.

  7. The protest is Brian Tamaki.
    Remove him and there is no protest.
    Not serious of course – just sayin’
    ( Any history buffs remember reading about Te Rauparaha? A problem for Sir George Grey who did not try apprehending him in the midst of his followers but sent in a snatch squad in the early morning while all were still asleep. Held on Kawau Island as the government’s guest for a few years. When he returned home he found other leaders had replaced him. All totally illegal of course. Could not possibly do it today. Could we?)

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