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  1. We can bitch and moan all we like but nobody has dealt with the cause of why we need Oranga Tamariki in the first fucken place.Find and accept the answer then we might solve the problem .We can blame parents till we are black and blue in the face but that is not the cause .In my mind the cause is fucken poverty and not so good parenting is a bi product of that .Fuck me ,when I was 5 I was sent to a foster home for 6 months and the bitch that ran that was an arsehole .Get up ,go to school and when you get home go to bed .That was all due to the fact my dad was ill and mum had a lot on her plate and there was no wellfare back then .Even tho we now have wellfare 65 years later the situation still exists where whole families exist on nothing and a lot of them are fully employed ,how is that right ? wake up people and fix the cause which is poverty created by the creators of the PAYE system which has robbed the bottom to fuel the wealth of the top .

    1. Gordon Walker It was tough on you as a 5 year old, being treated in such a callous way. No child deserves that.

      It looks as if we need to look at a country which does not have our truly appalling rates of baby and child murder, battering, bashing, and abuse, and see what they, as a society do differently from us, and do the same. It’s not that big an ask.

      New Zealand prioritising saving the state money, rather than focusing on the well-being of our beautiful children, is inhumane.

      Bill English has a lot to answer for. His trashing a whole generation of young men was for economic reasons too, to create a low-wage economy using cheap immigrants, but I don’t recall his justification for a low- wage economy which keeps the have-nots struggling, while the haves lead lives free from the stressors which can cripple every day living, and practically powerless.

    2. Yes gordonw – Poverty of purse, poverty of understanding the warmth in enjoying living with people, of love for special people, life skills and overall, poverty of mind, Those in charge with the capability for a full life suffer from two of the poverties named; they have access to money but the other poverties reign.

      They don’t see that their power and their budget allowances, get spent well with people who can really make change to produce happy, good adults bringing up in their parenting – happy, good, sturdy children. A good society would work towards that but ours is still riddled with class attitudes that ‘some people’ are no good and they can never be like the top echelon which is the exemplar. Bosh.

      Celia Lashlie and her like were doing so well but just living in this society and feeling its ills is very wearing I think, and wears some out who may not have had good beginnings or have been hit by some disease that has laid them up and also laid the foundation for their break-through thoughts.

      We are all a bit sick though but most of us aren’t aware of it. I see it clearly as an aged person, that we are at war with callousness and wilful ignorance; think Terry Pratchett’s Young Adult book Only You can Save Mankind when an electronic game becomes real to the ships and crew in the game and the real person must enter their virtual world and help the last spaceship get home before it’s too late. As everything we do and think is based on perceptions that our psychology can change, sometimes quite quickly, then let’s follow Terry and act right, before we too get dementia and lose our powerful minds.

  2. Fuck off, is not on me. Blame those useless Labour cunts that blew BILLIONS on fucking woke bullshit and castle building, that bunch of fucking wankers should be in prison!!

    1. Open your eyes & ears, all parties spend on woke bullshit and castle building & all the evidence shows that the conservative side of politics does more of it.

    2. You’re right justaname but too many expletives spoil the message. Those others finding fault with you cannot have come up against the spiked walls of our so-called welfare system that has become equivalent to a rigid class society, in all ways, having poisonous, pious people with contempt as its driver. We have been there in near centuries and a small number of dedicated people had to work like sh..t to improve it – Douglas and Treasury undermined the good work in NZ in their zeal to get more money and profit into the country and cater for the adept businessmen adopting money-making schemes like asset stripping of solid businesses etd.

      1. Pretty sure @Grey, he hasn’t thought things through in the manner you have. He’s so tuff, he just wants revenge for not getting everything he wanted. Sure Labour were fucking useless – especially given the mandate they had, and that they absolutely squandered. Turkeys voting for Christmas is not the viable option though.

    3. What billions were spent on woke bullshit? You sound like Luxon and Willis. Just say whatever you like even it’s complete bullshit.

      Labour got loads wrong, including not introducing a CGT but there is so much rubbish being talked it’s clear Luxon and Willis don’t have any answers. Focus on cost of living my arse.

  3. While your article is fair it ignores the reality that any system can be abused by those looking for an easier way of life, you only need to compare the numbers receiving the DPB in the 70s to today to see that effect. When people act for their own selfish pleasure with no consideration for any subsequent children (yes that is males & females who are involved) then the result will always be a mess.
    It is fair that if society allows those actions then it should pay to fix the results however we get a situation where those who are elected & their supporters for the most part are unwilling to accept that they are part of the problem so they make laws that keep their tax rates low & allow mostly children to suffer instead.

  4. CYPS/CYFS/Oranga Tamariki is bad, no doubt, but privatising its functions, as iwi want to see done, are going to make things much much worse.

    1. Can we get some accountability for those woman having children outside of marriage and or a relationship?

      1. Sam Probably not. In past times, it was rarely a conscious choice and there were some horrific outcomes, with illegal abortions, forced adoptions, women whose lives were forever haunted, and some kids with lives intrinsically out of kilter.

        The social stigma of single parenting has gone, but the fact remains that children need two parents. The DPB was a safety net for women left alone, but the issue of men who irresponsibly father children for whom they have no concern, is a biggie. Rape as a weapon of war is also well documented, and once again the fate of children fathered in this way can be more tragic than many adults would want to know about.

        As a mother I can’t imagine not being permanently concerned about my offspring, but not all parents are wired the same way.

        1. Even if I was generous and assumed all 7000 male inmates raped the mothers of all 7000 children in state care aside. Regardless. You’ve still got 7000 woman going out at night. Disobeying there fathers. Being promiscuous. Having unprotected sex. And expecting the state to bail out degenerate woman for there choices.

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