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  1. Good call Frank;

    Gareth Morgan is simply another National Party “hopeful clingon as Bob Jones was”

    “he made the bizarre comment that the Greens should join with National in a formal coalition;”

  2. “Namely this: How can either English or Eagleson know with absolute certainty that the leaking of Peters’ personal superannuation details did not come from someone/anyone connected to the National Party?

    If they truly do not know – with 100% certainty – that no one in the National Party leaked the information; how do they know this? How is that possible? In fact, it is not possible.

    In that respect, both English and Eagleson are covering up the possibility that the leak emanated from someone within the National party or government.

    And if both men are willing to take that small step to cover-up the merest possibility of an internal National Party leak… would it be too much of a stretch to assume that one or both are fully aware of who the leaker is?

    Why did Eagleson resign – especially at this very crucial time of coalition negotiations?

    And what does Winston Peters know of why Eagleson resigned?

    One salient fact fact is indisputable: someone did leak that information. The question is not who was responsible – but who else knew who was responsible.

    Wayne Eagleson knows more than he is letting on, as does Bill English.

    Winston Peters has had his ‘utu’.”

    Bloody good call again there frank,

    As there was a very ‘concerted’ effort to topple Winston/NZ First before voting day.

    By also the fact that the media was also speading ‘malicious’ suggestions that Winston may have had a ‘medical’ issue’!!!!

    So collectively all this was designed to undermine NZ First as a classic case again of National indulging again in pure ‘dirty poitics’.

    1. Indeed, CG. On this occasion I find myself having some sympathy with Peters. The Nats’ Dirty Tricks machine tried their best to destroy him and I suspect he knows full well who was responsible.

      It’s a shame the public isn’t aware of what transpired. And even if it did become public knowledge, most probably wouldn’t care.

  3. If National wants to go green why doesn’t it do that itself? The answer is because it doesn’t want to brass off the people it works for – farming, mining, fishing industry etc. So that answers the question of why the Greens would never go into coalition with them. National would use the Green Party as the target for the ire of these groups if any green policies were introduced.

  4. Why don’t these right wing commnetators shut up about what the Greens should do. They clearly don’t understand that the Green Party is more than an environmental party. I for one would be out of there so fast should they go with National, people surely can see that the Maori party was ditched because they went with the nats. The Greens in german in the 2004 or thereabouts suffered enormously and was just about destroyed by going in with the right wing. None of the commentators seem to understand that I and lots of Greens see the party as left wing and if it isn’t left wing then many of us would leave, not to join another party because there isn’t one.

    Mark Richardson is a smarmy self-serving moron, telling Shaw to back himself. You know it may come as news to Richardson but Shaw doesn’t call the shots at this level, the members, the grassroots members are what count.

  5. “Morgan, Hooton, Bolger, Dunne, Richardson, et al.”

    I doubt this lot ( with possible exception of Morgan) would vote Green in a million years so why are they so confidently telling the Greens what to do.

    As far as Morgan; his TOP party probably sliced at least 1% of the vote off the Green Party, which is fine, but doesn’t give him the right to tell the Greens what to do. Perhaps he should have supported them during the election if he is so confident about what’s best for them.

    Most of us who voted green believe human well being is intrinsic to environmental well being and National has no interest in either. For James Shaw to “be minister of climate change tomorrow” as predicted by Hooton (on TV3 on election night) is plain silly. What possible use is it being a climate change minister in a government hell bent on destroying the environment.

    These people fail completely to understand what the
    green party is all about.

    1. Having watched “the Block” I witnessed a final result that was completely unfair. In my opinion,the pricing of the units was inept, and was the reason for the paucity of the return to the ripped off competitors. Richardson presided over all this and he obviously didn’t give a rats ass ! He epitomizes the indifference of the well off to inequality at all levels. So no surprises that he can’t get that people are part of the environment.What is it about hitting a ball with a stick that qualifies Richardson to become a political pundit ??

  6. The number of nats promoting the vanishingly improbable event of the Greens joining them might suggest that they have little hope of doing a deal with Winston.
    D J S

  7. Indeed, undoubtedly the failure to produce instant government is the fault of the Greens – again.

  8. Yes, absolutely Frank.

    And don’t forget the plethora of lies the Dipton Double Dipper made over the Todd Barcly affair – what? Forgotten that already?

    It seems the NZ voting public have major memory malfunctions.

    These right wing turds lie more than they tell the truth.

  9. The reason right wingers are calling for the Greens to go into coalition with the Natz is because they know it will destroy the Green Party.

  10. Excellent summation Frank. I think you’ve nailed many of the critical elements, including the fate of the Greens should they be foolish enough to join with the Nats. As others have pointed out, none of those right wing commentators voted green so why should we listen to them?

  11. Of course a Nat-Green coalition would destroy the Green Party.

    Isn’t that the entire point of this machiavellian scheme concocted by right-wing rumour-mongers and a compliant media, the latter being desperate for headlines!!

  12. I am not one bit surprised, this is smart tactical undermining that is happening here. The National Party knows full well, that there are some members and MPs within the Green Party, who would be open to work with National. This is some form of wedge politics, I guess, drive a wedge between the left leaning Greens and those that are the now often more vocal centrists.

    The Greens face a scenario as Labour faced under the leadership of David Cunliffe, only are the cards stacked a bit more differently. James Shaw maybe in between a rock and a hard place, after the loss of Metiria Turei. He had to mend the cracks after two senior former Green MPs stood up and criticised Meteria for her admissions of ‘fraud’, and for not fronting up with all the details about her living arrangements when on a benefit.

    Those two were already acting upon pressure that came from National and the largely ‘centrist’ MSM, so there was a wedge being driven then, between Green MPs. All the Nats need is say three to four MPs to back them to form a new government.

    The Greens would most likely split if put in a situation where some may decide to talk with National and then go into bed with them. Such commentators and consultants as Matthew Hooton know what they are doing, splitting the Greens would be a masterstroke in their views. The Greens wold be toast forever, after such a split, and National would have enough members in Parliament to get its way and to stay in government.

    So that is what is going on, the Greens, and with that an already somewhat pro business James Shaw, would be very well advised, not to fall for the bait. NOPE should be a firm answer, no thanks, Bill, we have made clear where our hearts and minds are.

    Saying all this, it is a worry, how Labour are now softening on some major policy announcements they made during the campaign. Can we in future rely on anything that party politicians tell us about policy, and bottom lines? I guess no.

    1. National just about f&%k$d NZF when they went into Coalition with them in 1996. I don’t hold much hope for the future of the Greens if they jumped into the viper pit with National, Joyce, Bennett, Collins etc would have a feast on their unwary prey ?

  13. The Nats are obviously trying to play the Greens off against NZ First with the co-operation of right-wing activists and a malleable , headline-hungry mainstream media.

    There is no way the Greens could form a coalition with National. It would be their death warrant, a-la Maori Party.

  14. Oh FFS, now it’s being discussed on Jim Mora’s 4-5 Panel on RNZ about the “growing calls for a ‘Teal’ Coalition”!?!?!

    This is what happens when the media have no headlines to report; they make it up!

  15. National just about f&%k$d NZF when they went into Coalition with them in 1996. I don’t hold much hope for the future of the Greens if they jumped into the viper pit with National, Joyce, Bennett, Collins etc would have a feast on their unwary prey ?

  16. “How ‘delightful’ that National supporters and other sundry right-wingers are encouraging the Greens to be ‘bold’ and ‘risk takers’.”

    Metiria Turei tried going bold and being a risk taker. These same right-wing arseholes are the reason that it didn’t work out very well for her. I think it’s highly unlikely James Shaw would fall into the same trap.

  17. By my calculations, National would have to pick up about 130,000 of the special votes to match their results last election. That’s only about 1/3 of the specials. What a profoundly disappointing result.

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