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  1. If you think you’re doing you’re doing your cause any good, think again.

    You’ve entirely missed the point that Israel possesses nuclear weapons – the very WMDs that the Yanks invaded Iraq for. But the Iraqis hads no such weapons, it was a lie.

    But here we have Israel bristling with nukes, ready to start WW3, and you’ve totally ignored that.

    Instead you’ve “played the person” instead of the issues.

    I guess that means you’ve lost the argument (as well as the plot).

  2. Andrew, suggesting Leslie is a ‘Jew-hater’ is despicable ..the monitor should not accept this.

    Actually many many Jews oppose Israel’s policies.
    There are whole websites, eg Jews for Justice for Palestine, Mondoweiss, 972mag, Jewish Voice for Peace that are very critical.

    Israeli anthropologist Jeff Halper writes, “Palestinians and their very existence as a people has long been criminalised by Israel, now the Occupation has descended another level to complete dehumanisation, where the live of a Palestinian can be taken at will.” Israeli journalist Gideon Levy has called the present state of Israel, “evil”.

    [Sorry, Lois, I missed that bit from Andrew. Otherwise I would have deleted it without a second thought. The comment is now within the conversation-flow, but I will be scrutinising his comments more closely from now on and delete anything that approaches offensiveness. – ScarletMod]

  3. Andrew, your list of Middle East wars is as selective as your assertion that “Israel was never the instigator of the conflict”. You’ve omitted every war since 1948 involving Israel, as well as the fact that Israel started the 1967 conflict with a pre-emptive strike against Egypt by bombing that country’s airfields on 5 June.

    So as usual, your view of history is more myth than fact.

  4. Andrew, you should have read the whole article, which I assume you did not as you haven’t refuted a single piece of the evidence presented.
    As for oil, with the discovery of substantial oil deposits in the Israeli Occupied Golan Heights in 2015, there is cause for concern that the West will incline more towards support for Israeli annexation of territory possessed of such substantial hydrocarbon resources. In 2013, Israel granted Genie Energy (shareholders include Jacob Rothschild and Rupert Murdoch) exclusive oil and gas exploration rights to a 153-square-mile radius in the southern part of the Golan Heights.
    Your insinuation that I am “a Jew hater” is baseless and contemptible. I have written nothing that many, many Jewish friends and authors have not also pointed out and would agree with.
    Read the article again but this time with an open heart and mind!

  5. Under John (Not the Babtist) Key New Zealand will be returned to the status of loyal shoeshine boy for the US led “western alliance” or “Five Eyes Empire”.

    Ensuring the menial work is done, that the shoes shine and are fit to wear for battle, that is what New Zealand will be used for.

    Key is bringing us back “into the fold” of our so-called “allies”, there is no doubt about it. The navy memorial celebrations will show it, with all the visiting vessels and troops and dignitaries coming here. There will of course be enough TV coverage, there will be the headline news, the prime time news, all reporting.

    Key will “shine” as the “shoe shine boy” number one, as he just relishes every moment of being in the limelight with the big boys from overseas.

    And with that loyal alliance to be restored, we will be dragged into supporting Israel no matter what they do, for eternity, unless some people manage to alert the people to oppose the moves.

    The role of New Zealand’s SAS is already being expanded in Iraq, we will be there to “serve”, in the Middle East, no doubt for whose benefits, for whose interests, and on whose side.

    The many sponge brains are too receptive, will celebrate patriotism and commitment, and stand in line again, ready for the call to duty.

  6. I am not sure where I should post this link and I am not sure if it will pass muster with the TDB. If it does get posted I am very grateful and if it is heard then those with ears to hear will understand that the days of one human taking the life of another human are to end.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMI_DfEZpmA
    Thank you, God.

  7. Thanks Leslie. Humanity is sick and tired of the 1% warmongers and humanity is actually rising above the manipulation of the Zionist Rothschild establishment and unified collective consciousness is pushing quickly toward the establishment of State of Palestine. Can’t show you an actual document but the ratification of the Paris Climate Accord and RV now underway is part of it.
    New Zealand from the outset is Khazarian Zionist controlled and belongs lock, stock and barrel to the Vatican under its DOCTRINE OF DISCOVERY dated 1452. By the Treaty of 1213 Britain is owned by the Vatican. You and I are owned by the Vatican, as is any property. Nothing around us is real particularly our so-called government. While this link with 40 outrageous facts pertains to the US it might just as well apply to us: http://illuminology.tumblr.com/post/48817163795/40-outrageous-govt-facts-most-people-dont-know
    The events occurring during 2016 US election exposing evil and bringing truth will change the world forever and for the better and will bring about the freedom for the Palestinian people. It will also bring about the freeing of all humanity from the clutches of the unbelievably evil 1%.
    New Zealand’s future is one of sharing peace, compassion, love and amazing technology with our brothers and sisters worldwide. For this we don’t need committees, meetings, councils, and especially we don’t need yapping politicians. It is happening as I write.

  8. “Since World War I, the West has shown an unerring ability to get involved in the Middle East with constant disastrous consequences”

    Like everything else that Peter Dunne says, that is a load of crap.

    The meddling in the Middle East began over 200 years ago, and has not ceased since.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_expedition_of_1807

    And though the consequences for the locals have been mostly disastrous, the consequences for ‘the West; have been spectacularly successful: billions of barrels of oil looted and the locals getting next to nothing (just as in Nigeria, Venezuela, The Dutch East indies……..). Leave aside for the moment the catastrophic consequences of burning all that oil.

    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/anglo-persian-oil-company

    New Zealand’s future role will be the same as it has been for the past century: to assist in maintenance of control of oil supplies by western nations, and facilitate delivery to western nations at the lowest possible price, together with attempts to deprive any competing nation of group from getting the oil.

    It is a strategy which is doomed to catastrophic failure, of course, both because of the rapidly rising strength of China and the environmental mayhem that comes from burning oil: not the that the NZ government is at all bothered about any of that.

    As for the ‘Palestine problem’, well the western world has been run by the Rothchilds and their associates since the nineteenth century, and what the Rothschilds and their associates want is what happens. NZ is a colony of the Rothschild Empire and does as it is told.

    ‘As the world descends a steepening slope towards an abyss of universal chaos, Permanent Security Council members seem incapable of learning from their mistakes.’

    There’s no question that the world is descending a steepening slope towards an abyss of universal chaos. However, I would not look to the Permanent Security Council for answers: their job is to protect the money system, not the people of the world.