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  1. Wait! What? People are surprised at this guy’s arrogance?

    My only surprise is that people are still surprised. National have been setting New Zealand up on a slippery slope now for 7 1/2 years now. What is new about a National M.P. in this Government being devious?

  2. The saddest part of this post for me was that nasty little Shearer side comment. It seems the man has learned nothing from his flirtation with (and failure to achieve) personal political power. There is going to have to be some vigorous pruning running up to the next election.

    I wonder how democratic our systems are.

    To MPs: Think hard. Do you believe you have something to contribute that another, fresher mind could not do as well or better? Seriously, Clayton Cosgrove is surely not the only clear-sighted one among you? If you still have passion and drive, fine: compete for your place at selection time. If the prospect of another term in opposition turns you into a drone and your job into a time-serving sinecure it is surely time to move on gracefully.

    That is surely better than the bum’s rush?

  3. “… chairman, Mark Mitchell told me that I should not address committee members directly in that way,

    …Mr Mitchell then told me that he didn’t like the fact that I stood up to do my submission.”

    How dare he show such insolence when in the presence of National Party royalty! How dare he stand in their presence! To the lash with you, INFIDEL!
    /s (though not so much)

    This government is truly despotic and needs to be deposed.

  4. National MP, Mark Mitchell, is closely connected with far-right activist,Simon Lusk, who runs (ran?) a private, self-styled “candidates school” for potential National Party candidates. Amongst those [National MPs] linked to Lusk are …….

    and John Palino, entrepreneur and 2013 mayoral runner-up; confirmed candidacy on 29 February 2016[9]….

    Not much variety swimming at the bottom of that gene pool…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myhnAZFR1po&nohtml5=False

  5. It is not possible to negotiate with fascists.

    Nor is it possible to persuade fascists to not be fascists.

    Hitler was very popular amongst Germans for quite a while, and it was only losing the war, bringing about the ruination of the country, and committing suicide that cost him the 1945 election.

    1. …and committing suicide that cost him the 1945 election.

      Yeah, that last one was a bit of a career “bump” that’s hard to over-look… 😀

  6. So Mitchell doesn’t like it that some have made up the minds and don’t want to listen to reason?

    Mitchell who has made up his mind (or had it made up for him) and doesn’t want to listen to reason?

  7. I attended the same Dunedin session as SkepticNZ and can confirm all that he said, including the out of service lift. I was so disgusted that the Committee had made attendance as difficult as possible, that I wrote to our local paper outlining how hostile the environment was for those who jumped through all the hurdles put in their way. The letter was not published.

    1. What, a corrupt media that serves the hierarchical corporate agenda and censors dissent out of existence?

      Who would have thought that could happen in a ‘democracy’?

  8. “of the three who are here, [National MP] David Bennett… spent more time looking at his smart phone than he has spent listening to oral submissions.”

    Yes David Bennett is just a slimy take orders man as he was during the Transport select Committee where he showed such horrifying arrogance to all manner of Politicians and submitters to.

    He should resign from Government for his ineffective manner of conducting that committee.

  9. You have to question the necessity of that level of security. How was it justified? Just seems like it was organised to intimidate and suppress. Beggars belief, yet again. It’s becoming too common in New Zealand, that sensation.

  10. I attended the same sessions as Tim on Friday. I also noted David Bennett’s inability to those submitting either his attention or much respect. I doubt he had a nail left either.
    In the morning, minus the two National MPs he mentions as well as any media whatsoever, and David Shearer, who was replaced with a much more attentive Carmel Sepuloni, I presented after also hearing Mr Mitchell’s comments on RNZ earlier.
    Incensed at the hubris in the comments I directly challenged Mr Mitchell and the rest of the committee directly on the curtailment of 75% on their time to deliver a report on that many submissions and their ability to do so competently, or with any real credibility or integrity.
    I also challenged the assertions that had been made about those taking time out of busy lives and requiring time off work too, and also queried as inferred whether the whole process as much of a charade like ‘exersize’ as it felt listening to that, and were the pre NIA consultation and pre ratification events actually no more than an expensive sham, a waste of everyone’s time and actually a fait accompli?
    Apparently the sessions were recorded so I wil be requesting a copy of Friday’s. Unsurprisingly my delivery varied from my written submission because I wanted my disappointment and concern registered at such an insulting process and I am pretty sure that certainly was conveyed.
    The fact no mainstream media attended and this is such a supposedly magnificient deal and the largest ever negotiated, most can draw their own conclusions I’m sure!
    I’m with Bryan Bruce, Naani Tim and others. It felt disingenuous and there is no way any report could be done in that time frame even if all the committee had been present the whole time!
    Thankyou for writing this Frank.
    Im sure many more will add their thoughts too.

  11. A core aspect of our democracy in New Zealand is our Select Committee process. Or at least, how it should work.

    It’s supposed to be an avenue for MPs as our representatives to hear submissions for and against a proposal, from the public. They’re supposed to take all information into consideration when deciding on how laws are written, and maybe even if a particular law should even be recommended or not.

    It is not supposed to be a process where the government of the day uses their time at taxpayers expense to convince the public to accept their proposed law.

    And to do it in this manner? With heavy security, police, Armaguard and photo ID required?

    Looks like a dictatorship. Smells like a dictatorship. Walks like a dictatorship.

    How far will we let them go before we pull the plug? Because our voting rights, once every three years, will be the last to go.

    This is what you voted for New Zealand. I’m disgusted. Seriously considering going to live somewhere else.

  12. 2016: The Year Americans Found Out Their Elections Are Rigged

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-13/2016-year-americans-found-out-their-elections-are-rigged

    And, of course, in NZ elections are similarly rigged, by the corporate media, ‘donations’ and the election funding regulations etc.

    It’s an oligarchy, and if your not in ‘the club’ you’re screwed. On the other hand, if you’re in ‘the club’ you can ‘do no wrong’…….well, if you’re actually caught red-handed buggering children it may be a little bit difficult to get you off the hook, but practically anything else is okay….. lying , stealing, undisclosed business deals, tax havens, serial philandering, assault, rape, drug dealing……

  13. For the majority of submitters this was one of the most terrifying experiences as it’s not a normal part of life. The rudeness and arrogance we experienced was intimidating and destroyed the confidence of many of us. I had to sit and watch the destruction of one man, in public, which was horrifying. I like to hope the govt MP’s concerned had no concept of what they actually did. 17th March in Wellington I presented my submission.
    Of those present Todd Muller and David Bennett (natz) were whispering, laughing and texting/tweeting until one of the submitters complained.
    Fletcher Tabluteau and David Clark and Kennedy Graham asked relevant questions.
    Jamie-Lee Ross – where to begin. He was acting as a govt attack dog with all the submitters. His questions were really grandstanding so he could project the party line. The rest of them were working on something else on their laptops and Mark Mitchell had people come in the door to speak with him many times so he had no idea what was really happening in the room.
    I had my say and discussed an important point. I know it didn’t even dent the consciousness of most of them and they will not recall what my point was. Jamie-Lee won’t remember me having to control myself as I almost launched myself to whack him one.
    I was naive enough to have started the day hoping they could not ignore us all. I came away totally discouraged at the process.

  14. Thanks Frank.
    When you swim with and defend the greedy elite, then you are already bought and sold and their credibility is in the toilet. These out of touch politicians are not serving their constituents but serving those who are desperate to get these insane trade agreements through.
    Corporate control; corporate greed; bought lobbyists who write our laws and all supported by brain dead and owned politicians that only think they are acting in the best interests of the people and the environment.
    Sad days for true democracy and a sad day if TPPA passes, which I really think it will not. Too many smell the lunacy and are waking up daily.

  15. So really, what Mitchell is telling us is that we are his servants, to be indictrinated?

    Shades of authoritarianism!!

  16. So any submission I make to a select committee under this parliament I can consider an utter waste of my time? Not exactly a stirling endorsement of democracy in this country, is it? No wonder Transparency International has downgraded NZ.

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