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  1. Finance types always hide money for there pet projects. ALWAYS. They’re never open about why savings have to be made or why every one has to work harder. For Steven Joyce it was for $11bln plus $20bln defence fund. For Bill Emglish it was for a surplus. For Sir Micheal Cullan it was for a global financial crises. If I was Grant Robertson I’d massively increase super contributions there by creating a new revenue stream for infrastructure and put it all on green and fund there renewables programme effectively creating Insta shareholders to shut every one up.

    1. That’s a good idea Sam we need to start preparing now for our future without fossil fuels by investing. Imagine how much money we would have had for disasters, infrastructure and much needed social services if the national government continued to contribute to the Cullen fund. Too much short term thinking.

      1. I know a guy that told his close buddies to go “All-in” Long the stock market last monday till close, because sell-off was 100% driven by volatility in Electronic traded funds unwind and pain trade. He wants to remain anonymous but he comments on TDB.

  2. “There is not much point in having money in shares when there is a creaking sewage/ transport/ care and health system and a poorly-trained, impoverished workforce.”

    Agree.

    And you could equally say, there isn’t much point running surpluses at all right now, sucking demand out of the economy when we have high labour underutilisation, near deflation making the debt burden problematic, low wage growth and poor investment levels.

    What matters for the future is that there is a more productive economy where fewer workers can support more oldies. And that we have enough hospitals and carers and retirement housing to support those oldies. That’s why we need investment now. To build that world. But with discretionary surpluses and debt-laden households where is the demand to stimulate that kind of investment?

    As for the politics of cutting superannuation to redistribute to the poor – there are some rich boomers for sure but there are a lot of struggling pensioners – I’ve seen some shocking living conditions – and most are living just a decent respectable existence that we should aspire to for our elderly. A politics of taking from older generations to help the young will get nowhere right now.

    Better to focus on countering the paranoid fear of deficits and the need for greater fiscal expansion.

  3. “It’s called paying twice while letting the richer baby-boomers off scot-free. ”

    And that’s called – I dunno. Must be a term somewhere for this.

    EVERY ‘baby boomer’ and older PAYS TAX.

    They pay it as GST, excises, resident withholding tax on interest.

    They BUY goods and services BECAUSE thay have a bit of extra after the leeches have been by. You know – be customers and clients that help sustain j.o.b.s for employees. Some help their children and grandchildren in various ways cash or services – as families always have.

    Some of those accursed boomers also help parents and other kin to meet such minor things as home repairs, transport, health costs.

    Do you imagine they sit over hoards of gold like gormless dragons, neither spending nor sharing?!

    And – may we have the numbers for: these jolly bands of slightly wealthier?
    The number of older citizens who HAVE to work because they cannot make ends meet otherwise – ever-rising rates, medical costs, basic quality of life purchases;
    the number of older citizens, boomer or older, who go without because their pittance is at least $10k below adult minimum, they owe money to WINZ, they’re renting because they missed being affluent boomers?

    There is so much systemic incompetence and obsolescence that urgently needs addressing. So much change that needs careful shepherding through all its phases.

    And yet there’s this everlasting myopic hooha about ‘baby boomers and other affluents’. Wrong game. Wrong focus.

    PS Have you actually looked at the astonishing wealth that isn’t coming from savings to prudent people? It’s been that way for a decade now. Lucky savers. Not.

    1. Bloody oath. I owe $40k+ on my student loan. I often bail some of my children out financially, not because I’m rich but because I’ve got a mortgage therefore have easy access to bank finance.
      I too am damned sick of the pejorative ‘baby boomer’ implying immense wealth.

  4. All monies are about credit and debit or black or white. National said the books were white, we are now discovering they were a very dark black.

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