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  1. Yes Keith,
    Michael Joseph Savage knew during the last Depression redistribution of wealth was the way out of a depression and used it successfully to make us amongst the best country to live.

    But with this Depression about to arrive these greedy elitists today don’t want to share the wealth and we are heading for the crapper as a result for their greed to keep stealing last dollar from every one else they can so we will see another depression worse than the last one come along soon.

    Watch this ex Wall St trader (reformed) who blows the whistle on what the elite are setting us up for, as it is scary shit and shows what despots the elitists really are.

    https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/332586-episode-max-keiser-876/

    1. Yes, “share the wealth” is a good expression. The difference between sharing wealth and transferring wealth is all important. The current debate will only make headway if its framed around sharing, and not about taking from some and giving to others.

      1. It’s sad that the debate needs to be “framed”. What really needs to be challenged are neoliberalisms deliberate attempts to divide and conquer:

        – demonising beneficiaries.
        – driving down wages by cutting benefits.
        – cementing unemployment into the labour market as a structural component.
        – pandering to the belief in entitlement to superannuation that substantively has not been paid for.

        “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

    2. There where no better people well placed that could clearly see the worst of capitalism, ie slavery, child labour. And that these men where the first to leverage huge manpower and production line techniques to take on absolute poverty.

  2. There were never any good old days. Just same old same old with different disguises…..until now!
    New Zealand may be outwardly slower to join the Golden Age (due to censorship) which is steamrolling its way through the now-bankrupt so-called elite who dominate and control (our) government officials who strutt under a corporation umbrella and knowingly wallow in phony fiat dollars and most assuredly over for those same “corporate” government officials who stuff their wallets at the expense of every-man.
    If this does not describe them all, then those not part of the all have nothing to worry about.
    N.E.S.A.R.A. now. Half a breath away. First U.S.A. and then Global:
    http://www.ashtarontheroad.com/nesara-flyer-2-8-16.html

    1. Helena,

      Wished it was going to happen if NESARA comes into force but wont the corporations seize control to stop enactment?

      1. @ CLEANGREEN Nope! Click on the Sheldan Nidle link I give below.
        Everything is ready to swing into place. Chinese are in control of world finances. They are a cautious lot but these plans have been in the wings for many many years. First we will see a global currency reset and if you want to make a few bob suggest you take a “punt” and buy some Vietnamese Dong. Good fortune may await the daring.

      2. @ CLEANGREEN: This is my second reply first wasn’t recorded for some reason. No, the corporations wont be able to stop enactment of NESARA. Suggest you watch Sheldan Nidle’s webinar (link given below) and buy a few Vietnamese Dong when you next go shopping. Fortune favours the brave.

  3. Keith, might you please at some time write about Kirk’s scheme and the history and ramifications of Muldoon’s creation.
    I’m interested on your viewpoint.

    1. Yes, I will try to write about Roger Douglas’s (not Kirk’s) short-lived actuarial scheme, though I cannot say when.
      Muldoon’s was essentially a reversion to the matured 1938 Savage scheme, though necessarily more generous because of the politics of the 1975 election. Muldoon was more committed to the principles of universal welfare than any other politician since Savage, though Rowling – Muldoon’s adversary in 1975, 1978 and 1981 – was also very uncomfortable with Douglas’s opposition to universal public welfare principles.

  4. My parents who were participants of the Great Depression taught the next generation more about finance than any University. I left school at the end of my fifth four year and obtained a job for a nationwide company that lasted 35 years. During this time I qualified as an accountant and graduated with a BB degree.

    From nothing I have been able to achieve a reasonable qualification.

    What you achieve in life is (in my opinion) is linked to your ambition. That is to say, if you want the state to support you follow that line, but if you want to achieve and go forward do something about it.

    Arguing about student loans totally misses the point. I can tell you getting a qualification is worth the effort

  5. Scarlett,

    I need to make a couple of minor changes to my earlier post.

    Can you help
    Grant

    [Grant, your earlier post is still in Queue, pending approval. Simply post a new up-dated version and I’ll delete the older version, and approve the revised version. Hope that helps. – ScarletMod]

  6. Presenting the UBI as a new benefit income type would show Labour as being the smarter party again, as the Nats only want targeted benefit support (apart from superannuation).

    The challenge for Labour would be how to sell this to the voters, as the public sentiment has for years grown into rather anti beneficiary and anti benefit thinking, assisted by the useless or partisan MSM.

    Beneficiary bashing is still in vogue, and the divisive policies this government brought in have also divided the people more than ever before, I sense.

    So it must be presented as smart policy that saves hundreds of millions in admin costs, that does integrate with the tax system, and that still leaves incentives for people to work.

    Also should the benefits for sick and disabled be increased, and they should not have to be re-examined and re-assessed endless times, if they have permanent sickness and/or disability, as it still happens in many cases.

    At present we have bean counting and beneficiary harassment and the consequences of draconian policy throwing many off benefits, or not letting them onto the benefit, so that people are forced to go to food banks, to couch surf, to live in garages and even be homeless in the extreme situations.

    Students, beneficiaries with sickness, disability, the unemployed would all potentially gain through the introduction of a fair and sensible UBI, the challenge is to convince others of the benefits for them. I am sure it can be done, it should be done, National will NEVER introduce such a universal benefit, they love bean counting and pressuring people.

    Next week we will learn about what was behind the Ashburton shootings of WINZ workers, as I remember that the court case against the accused Russell J. Tully is supposed to start on Monday. It will be interesting to learn how he was treated, to feel driven to such desperate and violent actions.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/74312003/Trial-date-set-for-Work-and-Income-murder-accused-Russell-John-Tully

    I bet we will get some insight into the workings at WiNZ, and such an incident never needed to happen, had they not brought in the ruthless reforms in mid 2013.

  7. I genuinely don’t get what the big deal is about means testing. I’m on a benefit, and no way was declaring my assets and income major trauma.

    Super is going to rich people who don’t need it. Probably funding their property investments, pushing up rents, putting a higher burden on people who actually need welfare.

    They are also indirectly receiving accommodation supplements through their tenants, and income subsidies through untaxed capital gains.

    It all seems like base stupidity. All this money should be plowed directly into state housing. If real estate is a good investment for these parasites, why the hell isn’t it a good investment for New Zealand?

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