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  1. “a solution for a problem which did not exist… bullshit.. Retirement savings is a massive problem in NZ and how can people afford to save in low wage AO? Smells like neo liberal whinging. Stuff em’.
    I like the fact business have to contribute into an individuals slush fund, although not in kiwisaver myself and missing out on free money (wifes in it), I choose to put my retirement fund into planted managed trees now 20yrs young. I trust my luck with the trees rather than any and all treacherous bloody gummint. Govt guarantee means f-all.

    1. Anything the NZ Initiative ( aka the formerly named ‘Business Roundtable’) advises – do the opposite. It really is that simple.

  2. Kiwi Saver is by no means a flop. Indeed you need look no further than the economic and social success Australia’s compulsory super has been to see that. Indeed its an example we should better emulate. If people know they have a nest egg for their latter years its more likely they will inject money back into the economy which is what has happened in OZ. Possibly a little too much spending there but still its a great scheme with positive outcomes.

  3. Didn’t Muldoon scrap the Labour instigated superann scheme and pocketed all the money into the consolidated fund?
    These clowns seem to be advocating something similar. But this time the money belongs to those in the sceme not the government.
    So if these guys are ‘treasury’ advisors god help us all.

    1. Was not in the country at the time Iainz, but from memory muldoon described it as a semi communist scheme? Anti commie all the rage at the time. Muldoon offered the good bergers of nzild all there money (or a large part of it) if back if they voted him in.
      True to form and in there usual forward thinking fashion the nzilders proceeded to do so. Had that scheme continued, i believe NZ would be a much wealthier country today.

      1. Of course!

        Money in bank, money in pocket, discretionary spending keeps the money go round happening. Less stress on retirement spending, more independence for the elderly, – you know you get the feeling that certain elements didn’t want a comfortable elderly population because it meant less money for them… and made it harder to privatize anything that wasn’t nailed down..

    2. Muldoon got in with massive backing from CIA (Hanna-Barbera) running the communist scare of a superannuation system where individuals contributed to their accounts held by the NZ govt so guaranteed.
      The last thing banks wanted to see was people investing in their country. In a matter of months the govt had accumulated substantial capital held by citizens and it was obvious that Govt borrowing would be a thing of the past.
      A whole new framework where citizens owned the show not private off shore banks, If that excellent scheme had continued then NZ would have been well heeled and capable of lending for profit to other states.

      But the yanks were not going to have that so McCarthy was dragged out of the cupboard and the Cossacks danced on the TV screen accompanied with lies and scare tactics.

      Cullen was “allowed” to bring in Kiwi Saver as Kiwis money was given to private fund managers to play with and charge “management fees” for the privilege. . When the gambling is over and the coming financial crash comes then Kiwis Saver’s money will be gone.
      A rort disguised.

      Kirk’s scheme was govt backed.
      Kiwisaver is not and the money contributed by the govt is given to fund managers to gamble with.

      There should be a Kiwi Saver fund owned and run by the NZ govt with guaranteed backing.

  4. If taking on debt to afford the $500 tax credit is getting in the way of better income support to those in need (the people who cannot afford to open a Kiwi Saver account because there is nothing after rent, power and food), then its middle class welfare we cannot afford.

    The better option is to supplant the tax credit to afford improving income support.

    The weakness in Kiwi Saver at the moment is amongst those unable to afford it (barley covering rent, power and food) – its about time to bring in a compulsory employer contribution to those lower income employees – maybe 1.5% half that required for employyees who are saving.

    Offering tax credits and employer contributions to only those who cannot afford to save is not just. It’s middle class privilege. A bit like super to those with the income, health and housing to live that long.

    1. Offering tax credits and employer contributions to only those who CAN afford to save is not just.

  5. Those kiddies must stop raiding the piggy-bank just because they are short of funds till the sharemarket coughs.
    They don’t realise what the solution is, because you don’t query the people involved in, or causing, a crisis, whatever it is. Because – always someone else should do something uncomfortable to solve it.

    In this case the best feature would be to stop commissioning the sods for dinky reports with coloured lines on them that can be reformulated at a moment’s notice. They just take the ones prevailing when asked to look at the problem, and turn them round the other way. Suddenly everything is going up and rosy. Hey presto they say we made your troubles go away. Or of course, the stance for the agile – stand on your head!

  6. The government changing the rules all the time its all going too disappear b4 we no it.. Been a cash cow for some fleas too invest and abuse our money and adventully lose it..

  7. I’m 30 and think Kiwisaver is a great initiative. Hearing how much superannuation costs each year I have a strong suspicion it’s either gone completely or pushed back 5-10 years by the time I go to retire and without Kiwisaver I wouldn’t have a cent saved or even thought about retirement yet. Same for my husband!

  8. My daughter has a Kiwi saver account in which she has accumulated tens of thousands of dollars which she otherwise would not have saved.

    Originally the govt contributed a greater share but this was whittled away by the Key Regime. Labour need to put that right. The higher the subsidy the greater incentive there is for workers to save to gain the subsidy. Its a perfect election bribe for Labour.

  9. It’s a human right to be able to lead a dignified and secure life when you are no longer able to work, but successive governments have refused to set universal superannuation at a level that allows this. They pay a propagandist called “the retirement commissioner” a six figure salary to drum away at the message that we must provide for ourselves, and thoughtfully provide the vehicle, KiwiSaver.

    In good faith, many workers try to build up their KiwiSaver account, often at considerable sacrifice. Many were dismayed when the recent Stockmarket slump shaved thousands off their fund. A workmate of mine, who was very proud of her balance, said quite accurately, “They’ve stolen my hard-earned money.”

    Don’t worry , we are told, the markets will recover. Well, maybe, maybe not. But no one asks the basic question, “ Why should our retirement security depend on the vagaries of their markets in the first place?”

    What the ideologues at the NZ Institute ignore, or cover up, is that all pensions are not a grant, but an entitlement. They are just deferred earnings, part of the value that workers create through their labour, that the state or the employer holds back to – perhaps- pay out later. That’s also why it’s a lie to say that superannuation will be a burden on future generations. We have already paid for it. As Marx said, “Each generation pays for its own wars.”

  10. I nats get back in, look out kiwisave, and kiwibank and kiwirail and kiwianything.
    Brierly’s ( whatever happened to him?) asset stripping will be minor compared to Muller’s asset sales.

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