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  1. It would be interesting to see poling if the electorate were convinced that a genuinely progressive government was on offer. Which I suspect most of the non vote seriously doubt. I am sure that is where the progressive vote is lurking, if they could be persuaded to vote at all that is what they would vote for, they just don’t believe it. I wonder why.
    D J S

    1. Chris Trotter is right on this topic, a new poll has Nats back at 47 percent, and only a slim chance for a true change of government:
      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/12/47406/election-2017-live-ardern-rules-out-inheritance-tax-challenged-on-trade

      Those that celebrated may have celebrated too soon, there is NO time for complacency!

      The neoliberals and their fan base are back on the attack, watch that tax discussion to continue, and other stuff that will be thrown at Jacinda and Labour and also Greens.

      Decades of mind corrupting and bribing with consumerism and shortsighted selfish thinking have not gone by without some traces and consequences, I must say.

      It is me, me and me first for many, not collective and fair things for a better society, the battle has just started.

        1. Saw this on TV 3 tonight, a MUST watch, if you can get hold of it, as it should hopefully be available via On Demand or on You Tube soon:

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/houses/96724526/who-owns-new-zealand-now-new-doco-tackles-our-housing-crisis

          This is what must be shown to as many people as possible, it shows us that we cannot continue with the housing Ponzi scheme the Nats have allowed to develop. Action is overdue and for this a change of government is absolutely essential.

          Only Labour and a strong enough Green Party will ensure necessary reforms, perhaps also NZ First. But the latter may be unreliable and even go with the Nats.

          We need to talk to people out there, especially non voters or reluctant voters, to tell them what is at stake for this country NOW.

  2. Since the introduction of MMP there has never been a government that has ruled without the support of a coalition partner/partners.

    This is the nature of MMP.

    On current polling the Labour Green bloc, need one more coalition partner to beat the National New Zealand First bloc.

    (If you think that NZF are not going to go with National, you have not been paying attention).

    That other support party can only be the Maori Party.

    That is, if Labour are not successful in their stated campaign to drive the Maori Party out of parliament.

    Putting all their Maori electorate MPs off the Labour list, provides them the added prod to carry this sectarian strategy to its ultimately self destructive conclusion.

    Note to Labour:

    The enemy is the National Party.

    The enemy is not the Maori Party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

  3. Spot on. This strategy should have been obvious well before now. Early voting has already started and very few of the voters that will make a difference read the Daily Blog or any other left blog for that matter.

  4. Spot on .

    Jaccindas stance on TPP-11 this morning on RNZ clearly shows Labour wants to proceed with with TPP come what may ( once they have negotiated a carve out on foreign property ownership )

    Despite ordinary New Zealanders consistent opposition to it , on many other grounds ( food labels , IT,medicines , ISDS,environment and lots more ) Labour look set to sell us out just the same as National .

    Such an act of betrayal by Labour , in the face of such long and strong public opposition means voting for the greens has just become even more relevant .

  5. That’s the history – and the lesson to be drawn from it couldn’t be clearer. The election of a centre-left government only becomes possible when the number of voters prepared to vote for progressive policies grows

    Except, in 2002, as you relate it, it wasn’t the lesson.

    In 2002 the lesson was, again as you relate it, don’t maintain non negotiable bottom lines that might exclude the formation of a centre left coalition.

  6. And perhaps TOP voters should be encouraged to vote Green rather than waste their party vote. Perhaps Dr Morgan will humbly suggest to his would-have-been constituency to do just that.

    1. Yes I agree, I like a lot of TOP’S policies but they aren’t going to get that vote Green if you want a left part of government, not Labour they are not left we know that of old, nothing has really changed, just a different face.

  7. Ho hum, Chris. Everyone has a “take” on things; that’s human nature.

    However, I did hear your precious Jacinda on RNZ this morning refusing point blank to decry neo-liberalism, despite being pressured by arch-fascist Espiner to do so at least four or five times.

    Oh dearie me.

    That is NOT what an old commie like me wants to hear.

    Watch this space.

    Minto 1

    Trottoir 0

  8. After hearing Jacinda on morning report today state her support for 99.5% of the tppa, it’s off to the polling booth to party vote green. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

  9. I agree; we must have a party to the left of Labour in Parliament. So today I Party Voted Green and electorate voted our local Labour candidate..

    1. Hone may well come through if Labour doesn’t join the rest in buggering up his chances. Labour could use Hone just as Nact use Act.

    1. Did exactly the same here this morning too Priss … Green/Labour. I was amazed at just how busy the polling booth was at the time.

      One Labour/Green government coming up 🙂

    2. @ Tom Gardner … Rubbish!

      Winston is a secretive old clapped out windbag. A National man through and through, a protege`of Muldoon. He cannot be trusted himself, so how can he be expected to keep any other political party honest!

  10. “Jacinda’s ability to form a genuine centre-left government after election day will not be enhanced by swapping votes between Labour and the Greens, but by growing the vote of both parties. John’s imprecations notwithstanding, it should not be a matter of progressives already committed to voting switching their allegiance, but of their encouraging as many good-hearted New Zealanders as possible out of the Non-Vote and into the electoral fray.”

    Absolutely, but how can you do this, when parties, left, centre or right, do usually ignore many on welfare support, or only ‘discover’ them just a few days of week out of an election?

    It seems, as much as I hate it, the only way Labour can grow its vote under Jacinda is by winning over female light blue voters, who fell for Key and his easy going and superficial ‘charm’, as they are liberal at heart, but still somewhat business and career friendly at the same time.

    Others Jacinda may appeal to are students and youth in general, but she only will appear to a fraction of the large group of non voters or former non voters.

    This makes for some depressing reading, I know, but we will in all likelihood not get that peaceful ‘revolution’ with stardust charm that some seem to be dreaming of, far from it. Once the dies are cast, it will be business as usual, with a gentler touch perhaps, and some tweaks here and there, to make it look ‘progressive’ on the surface.

  11. NZ First & Winston were absolutely shafted By Jenny Shipley & National, NZ First & Winston worked quite constructively with Labour & Helen Clark where Winston held the portfolios of Foreign Affairs and was Deputy PM ?

  12. All that you say is true, but you’re missing another very true and very important point: the Greens are fighting for survival!

    Yes, definitely let’s grow the centre&left vote. But those who are already on the centre&left team need to support the struggling member of that team with our party votes, because they need them more than the surging member of the team needs them. If we don’t, 4.whatever% of the centre&left party vote will be wasted.

    Besides, if the Greens disappear, where will Labour get all its policy from? 😛

  13. Greens are weird and dead. Both want to tax their way to prosperity, and we all know that can never be done.

    I want NZ First in Govt this year to stabilise the weirdos on the blue and red sides. Greens are dead so waste of Vote there.

    1. NZ was far better of under a strong progressive tax system.

      You may not have been around perhaps to remember.

      It doesn’t work the way the Neoliberals and Nact would have you believe – if you let them..

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