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  1. Yes it seems a good plan that needs to be re-introduced as the way forward because politics changes every day and some policies get buried and need restoring so NZ first has always promoted forward thinking policies and labour have returned it to the election cycle to grab support again.

    Good move as it has made National look stupid as Steven Joyce-Lord Haw Haw the second stuffed it up by pouring vociferous comments about free higher education so this makes National look rather stupid now.

    Well done our side.

  2. as i learnt in john minto’s post,
    you forgot to mention that goff also put gst on those student fees

    1. Put it into context please. The introduction of GST put tax on everything and lets not forget that the 5th National government under dishonest John broke its promise and hiked up GST by 2.5% To add, user charges were introduced in universities for the first time under the 4th National government.

      4th Labour government
      In tertiary education, the Fourth Labour Government introduced charges equaling 10 percent of tuition costs, although students on low incomes were compensated with targeted allowances.[6]
      Public funding of day care was increased substantially and maternity and paternity leave were extended (feminists inside and outside the New Zealand Labour Party helped bring about these developments).[14]
      Improvements in education were made, as demonstrated by the expansion and strengthening of early childhood education, significant increases of teaching staff at kindergarten, enhancement of teacher education, attention to special education and support for Taha Maori, and funding for a measure which allowed for the universalisation of three year integrated childcare and kindergarten teacher training.[5]
      The Education Amendment (No.2) Act 1987 amended the 1964 Education Act so that persons with special educational needs (whether by reason of disability or otherwise)had the same rights to enrol and receive education at institutions established under the Act as persons without such needs.[5]
      Multi-cultural education was encouraged via increased levels of recruitment of teachers from minority cultures, and this policy resulted in a considerable increase in the number of applicants accepted for training as well as in more minority teachers for primary, secondary, and multicultural schools.[5]
      Access to extramural study was significantly expanded.[5]
      The fee for overseas students was reduced from $1,500 to $1,000 in 1984 and then abolished in 1987.[5]
      Vocational opportunities for school leavers were significantly expanded, as characterised by the merging of various vocational programmes into a single Training Assistance Programme (1985).[5]
      Early childhood teacher training was extended.[5]
      The University Entrance (UE) examination was abolished, which had a far-reaching significance for the education of students in the senior forms of secondary schools. “Instead of being seen solely as preparation for university study, the courses leading to Sixth Form Certificate (SFC) provided a wider and more general education. This award more satisfactorily accommodated the diverse needs of students in Form 6, and thus recognised the changing, broader composition of the student population at that level”.[5]
      In 1985, the National Film Library initiated “a video cassette loan service alongside its traditional 16 mm film services.* This measure provided schools with “access to the wide range of programmes being produced in video and television format”.[5]
      Funding was allocated to early childhood education, which allowed for the universalisation of three year integrated childcare and kindergarten teacher training.[5]
      The Education Amendment (No.2) Act 1987 altered the 1964 Education Act so that persons with special educational needs (whether by reason of disability or otherwise) had the same rights to enrol and receive education at institutions established under the Act as persons without such needs.[5]
      Four-minute reading and reading recovery, the teaching procedure which reduces the incidence of reading failure among 6-year-old children, was extended to a further 200 schools between 1985 and 1986.[5]
      Five new Kura Kaupapa schools were commissioned as a means of raising Maori educational achievement (1990).[13]
      Spending on full-time primary, secondary, polytechnic and area sector school teaching/tutoring/teachers college positions was increased (1987).[13]
      Spending on preschool education was increased (1989).[13]
      Extra funding was provided for the mainstreaming of special education students (1990).[13]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Labour_Government_of_New_Zealand#Education

      1. further context, the gst relates to food, energy, utilities, vehicle registration etc etc.

        i get the 4th labour govt did some good stuff around education but gst is a stinker.

        hitting the poor disproportionally harder than the wealthy.
        but i reckon you already know that.

        1. That’s what I meant when I posted that GST put tax on everything, and sure it’s a stinker.

          “hitting the poor disproportionately harder than the wealthy” is something that each and every National government have done when Kiwis stupidly elect them to office….sure, I know that.

  3. +1 Curwen Ares Rolinson.

    Great points. A very well written article.
    Hopefully, more well thought out and doable policies will get rolled out by Labour and other progressive parties in the coming 22 months before the next election.

    You should stand for election. You will make a good MP.

  4. This is the first part of the post-school policy, not the whole thing. There will be more that will fill in the gaps. But we will only be promising only what we can actually deliver. The small parties can promise utopia knowing they won’t be the ones having to balance the books (or win 40% or more of the vote).

    1. Agree Chris. Labour put out another great plan, which is clearly just a part of something bigger, and everyone goes nuts.

    2. “The small parties can promise utopia knowing they won’t be the ones having to balance the books (or win 40% or more of the vote).”

      No Chris. That’s some Paddy Gower logic. Parties like the Greens, MANA and NZ First could afford to implement all of their policies, but they have to do it while Labour panders to the middle and upper class.

      Suggesting smaller parties ‘promise utopia’ is unfair and will not endear you to potential voters. Even MANA, who offer the most radial form of redistribution will be able to afford what they put forward – just look at what they’d redistribute from those who plundered our collective wealth since ’84. Same too for the Greens.

      Please don’t label those to the left of you as utopians who can’t keep their promises. They’re representing your party’s roots. Step up and shut up. You earn our respect if your policies deserve them. You earn nothing by mocking those who are speaking for us.

      1. Suggesting smaller parties ‘promise utopia’ is unfair and will not endear you to potential voters.

        It’s also petty and unnecessary to his point.

      2. It’s of no disrespect to the other parties, who I work with all of the time. On education issues, the Greens, NZ First and Labour share most of the same views. But you’re missing the wider point, we need to get 50% of the vote between us, so that means Labour has to appeal to a broader constituency than the smaller parties do, and yes, that will have an impact on the commitments that we make.

        1. “It’s of no disrespect to the other parties”

          No, it is disrespectful. You don’t get to decide if I’m offended by saying smaller parties “promise utopia”. I and many others put a lot of time and effort into smaller parties because they have policies that you should. When Labour has been in bed with the millionaires, me and my friends have been getting into a lifetime of debt just to get educated. Now you tell us that the policies we want and deserve are utopian? That couldn’t really be more disrespectful. Labour has been neoliberal since I was 3 years old. You have a lot of work to do to make up for that, and our support will only be given if you break from neoliberalism and give us some ‘utopian promises’ (or what we call representing Labour’s roots).

          “On education issues, the Greens, NZ First and Labour share most of the same views.”

          Maybe primary and secondary education, but the Greens and Labour are not close on tertiary education. Labour and National have been closer on tertiary education over the past 30 years, than what Labour and the Greens have.

          “But you’re missing the wider point, we need to get 50% of the vote between us, so that means Labour has to appeal to a broader constituency”

          No Chris, that’s Blairite logic. The Blarite strategy of trying to seduce the middle and upper class through policy will no longer work. Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe can tell you about that. Or try Ed Miliband.

          This is not the 90s. We do not want your soft neoliberalism. Look at Corbyn and Sanders. Look at Podemos and Syriza. The political landscape has changed, and so too must your strategy. ‘Left’ parties need groundswells of support from their base to get into power. Chasing the middle worked in the 90s after the shock of neoliberalism, but not now. Now the centre-left Blarites have embedded neoliberalism and people want a change.

          The Left are sick of so called Left parties trying to get power for the sake of getting power. No point getting hold of the steering wheel if you’re going to drive us off the same cliff.

  5. Free University education and full allowances certainly was Alliance policy, from 1991, when the Alliance contested the Tamaki By-election to the Alliances’s demise in mid 2000s. It was alo NewLabour Party policy from its formation in 1989.

  6. Free University education and full allowances certainly was Alliance policy, from 1991, when the Alliance contested the Tamaki By-election to the Alliances’s demise in mid 2000s. It was alo NewLabour Party policy from its formation in 1989.

  7. You forgot to mention MANA who want to write off student debt:

    “Develop a plan to write off student debt. In the meantime, there should be no further interest on student loans.”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20150113214144/http://mana.net.nz/policy/policy-education/#sthash.9rJIhpIe.dpuf

    Same with the Greens:

    “Explore options to introduce a debt write-off scheme that limits the individual burden of debt, while incentivising graduates to contribute to New Zealand after
    graduating.”

    https://home.greens.org.nz/sites/default/files/tertiary_20140716_0.pdf

    Both the Greens and MANA want to go further than the Dollar-for-Dollar policy. It’s misleading to say only NZ First want to deal with those who already have a student loan. For many current and ex-students halving their loan isn’t enough. I’d rather debt-write off.

    And the problem with NZ First is they placed themselves in opposition to MANA who have been one of the most vocal about the student loan scam.

  8. As far as I can see there have been various attempts over the years to undo much of the damage caused by neo liberalism by a number of individuals and party’s.

    And as Chris Hipkins has stated… this is not yet the full fleshing out of this policy , more is yet to come. It is a good start by Littles Labour party but by no means should it stop there.

    The repudiation of ALL neo liberal ideology should be the goal and mainstay of Labour, NZ First and the Greens. And this therefore is but a small start to that process…

    It is ironic that we hear the words ‘ radical’ when applied to these fledgling steps taken by Labour…when in fact it is the ‘new boy on the block’ – neo liberalism – that is in fact the ‘ radical’ one.

    And as we have seen ,… neo liberalism has been a colossal failure in its delivery on just about all counts regarding the public well being , and thus needs to be given exactly the same treatment as any other public safety hazard… that of ISOLATE , MINIMIZE , ELIMINATE.

    To suggest that this recent policy of Labour is in any way ‘ radical’ only demonstrates the far rights success in indoctrinating a sufficient number of the population into accepting neo liberal ideology as ‘ orthodox’…

    And it has been a sign and symptom of the perniciousness of neo liberalism that the IMP was opposed so vehemently when in fact it was advocating many of these very same sort of policy’s…

    It is time the Left rejected any talk by the right wingers of Social Democratic methodology as being somehow ‘ radical’ as if it was never in existence before 1984 – when in fact for the majority of the 20th century it was the norm. And it caused widespread prosperity unlike any other period in this worlds history – and it worked.

    Neo liberalism and its placing the burden of payments on the population while enriching the 1% at the top is the TRULY radical doctrine , – and this latest move by Labour is a pale shadow of true former Social Democracy.

    But at least its a start.

  9. +100 Good Post which puts Labour’s Tertiary education policy movement in perspective…It is a beginning… but no more than a beginning to right wrongs

    ….It is far from the end goal which is free Tertiary education for all New Zealanders now …and a righting off of existing crippling loan debt burdens on young New Zealanders brought in by Labour and Nactional

    …so on second thoughts maybe I won’t vote for Labour yet

  10. The proposed changes will appeal to the parents of those 7-year-olds, many of whom will be worrying about supporting and paying for their kids’ tertiary education so that they are not burdened with excessive debt.

    1. Yes this policy is definitely aimed at young middle class professionals in their 30s who don’t want to contribute to their kids education…

      It’s aimed at people who vote national, totally different to the 2005 student loan policy, this policy wont help students like me one iota.

  11. When will the myth that my generation of students received free tertiary education? Yes it is true we did not pay course related costs. However that true statement suffers from what I call the ‘curse of the true statement’. The curse is that one true statement often does not tell the ‘whole truth and nothing but the truth’. A comparison of the cost of student life in my generation and today gives a much more complete picture.

    Firstly we did not receive the student living allowance nor any course related costs. When completing my BA degree in 2005/06, the time interest free loans were being introduced, I calculated that cost of a years BA courses was very similar to 40 weeks student living allowance. On that basis alone current students are no worse or better off than we were.

    Because of the economic times in the 60’s and 70’s the most we could expect from our parents, in my case parent, was free board. All other living costs we had to earn ourselves. Usually this came from lower paid manual labour. Wool store barrow boys, nassella tussock grubbing, hospital cleaning and portering etc. Most of us did not have our own cars, brand clothing or holidays, especially overseas ones.

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