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    1. Report claim the 6 million figure goes back a long way further than pre WWII and may feature in doctrine. Possibly metaphoric.

      6M sound a lot more persuasive then a few hundred thousand and starvation due to warfare and bombing I have yet to see mentioned by 6M claimants.

      I am always willing to learn and naturally history should be researched openly without constraint. Name calling – what is that about.

    2. Steve, your link went to a whole heap of pages from old newspapers.

      I checked on the first page: The sun., April 30, 1891, Page 6, Image 6.

      It refers to a paragraph;

      “The Russian government is striving to drive away the Jews under its control, and there are at least [5][6] 000,000 Jews in Russia.”

      The reason I have “5” and “6” in parathensis is that I cannot make out whether the figure is a “5” or “6”.

      The next image is from The sun., July 08, 1903, Page 12, Image 12.

      It says,

      “In a small part of Russia, in the cities, there are crowded together 5,000,000 Jews who cannot be farmers, who cannot own soil, who are excluded from certain professions, and certain businesses, and who are really held prisoners.”

      The number there is 5 million, not 6.

      I’m not sure what the relevance of that is to the six million Jews murdered in concentration camps in WW2.

      However, it appears to be a waste of time going any further unless you have a point to make. The information you’ve presented is meaningless.

      1. It is obvious by going through “a whole heap of pages from old newspapers” that the prevailing number cited is 6 million. So the question is “How is it the numbers cited pre-war match the numbers killed exactly?”

        Even asking that question is against the law in many countries. That is the nature of this intractible problem – questioning anything around Israel is immediately meet with shouts of racism and anti-semitism. You own reaction is loaded with that accusation even though you are careful not to state it overtly.

        So far from being meaningless my point gets to the very crux of the problem.

  1. And yet Israeli supporters just don’t seem to , or want to get it.

    A terrorist state.

    Why is it funded by the USA.

  2. I follow Fox News. Not because I in any way agree with them or the assortment of lunatics that follow them, but just to see what the commentary on their Facebook page is like.

    And a comment will often go like this when it comes to Israel:

    So glad you believe this too! Israel is God’s chosen land and the Jews his chosen people! Israel has always been a friend and ally to the USA! We must always stand with her!
    —-

    When I see comments like those, I that is when I write a line or two about standing with international law and how Israel is just one nation among a community of 212 nations around the world.

    And I have had various comments such as:

    “You’re an anti-Semite”

    “God will judge you harshly for attacking His chosen people”

    “You’re just a a New Zealander who has no business in world affairs”
    —-

    That last one I found particularly funny. Umm, I mean, did we not just complete a two year stint in one of the temporary Security Council seats?

    1. “God will judge you harshly for attacking His chosen people”

      and other narcissistic reflections.

      In 1877 NZ adopted a law making education compulsory, free and secular, the law being argued and found to be the best compromise by pillars of the church in our governing body..

      That is the foundation of our secular society.

      Most Kiwis appreciate the strength we have gained as a nation from that foundation.

      Separation of state and belief systems allows rational debate.

    2. “God will judge you harshly for attacking His chosen people”

      Yikes, didn’t the Nazis have something to say about themselves being “the chosen people”?! Or “master race”, or somesuch codswallop?

      I’ll pit my god against their god anyday!!

  3. SIMPLE the Zionist own the USA and most other western governments to a degree, through the use of their own government members and lobbyist.

    1. I would like to see evidence that would with stand scrutiny and repudiating that assertion.

      The observable pattern certainly suggest ownership and control but lets be open about this and test it.

      Who issues the new money and holds government to debt.

      Open transparency would be nice.

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