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    1. No one ever addresses the corrupt who will intercept this relief package in some way or another and keep it all to themselves leaving the people with nothing. This can be circumvented by harsher tax. Seizures. Or plain old arrest.

    2. Well that would be back to the policies of the early 1980’s. We know what happened next: corporate lobbyists from the Mont Pèlerin Society and the Atlas Network managed to take over both political parties, and slash-and-burn “shock therapy” from the ‘Chicago Boys’ followed.

      1. New Zealand has list its Zeal. We need people who can come up with new ideas and innovation and get that dynamism back. People need to be able to come up with goid ideas and get compensation for it from all walks of live.

    1. Ubi will just create additional bureaucracy.

      First, housing costs should be restricted to percentage of income.
      Second, beneficiaries ought to be encouraged to work, by allowing them to keep more of their honest income, before benefits gets adjusted.
      Classes such as cheaper cooking, parenting, self care, cleanliness and hygiene are some classes that ought to be run free of cost by local whanau.

    2. So make us slaves to a UBI, rather than wage slaves. Me I wanna end slavery – and UBI don’t cut it.

      1. UBI isn’t supposed to end poverty. It’s just something to do when the robots take over.

  1. “Given the political will”

    Indeed.

    Evidently, there is no real political will to sufficiently address this.

    And that is the problem.

  2. Yes , and surely the likes of Luxon with his 7 mortgage free houses can afford to go off his accomodation benefit, now $52,000 a year.He could do it voluntarily without even noticing .

  3. Susan St John this is long and what has come to mind in reply to the question – Is child poverty really too hard to cure? You may not want to put it up, as it may block others from putting forward their thoughts on the subject; or put it up later or just set it aside for now or permanently. I find it depressing and sad but from what I have experienced and read and seen I feel this is the future. Still I hope we could do better – but humans can compartmentalise their brains and do so well, forget at will, remember incorrectly, deviously behave. It could happen as strangely as the behaviour in The Handmaid’s Tale for instance.

    This is my rotten thought that I usually push to the back of my mind but I am putting down once only as I have seen hopes for a better future dissipate over many decades. There is so little thought being put into our underlying values and how we should care and treat each other in NZ/AO and the world, that I am forced to consider the following. Conserving our good behaviour is under attack from popular culture and lack of commitment to each other, always under pressure from our wants and selfish desires for wealth exchange. Watch what happens when someone dies and the family gathers round for division of assets! Kindness and generosity is fleeting inspired by emotional pleas. Think Ayn Rand the Virtue of Selfishness which typically for society, swings too far from the other side of behaviour, which is abnegation of self for others. We may be running out of time to consider, adopt and reject pendulum swings and be stuck by circumstances and fast irreparable change in an extreme position from which there can be no timely recovery.

    A co-ordinated society, looking after each other does require some unselfishness; it is necessary to some extent. The disclosures about Lake Alice and continuing callousness, and what goes on in our prisons and the difficulties of parents to access appropriate housing and other needs just fall on deaf ears at present, when we are comfortably off and in a position to change completely for the better.. We seem open to whatever new wave of human feeling comes along. No goodness is held strongly enough through our society to prevent behaviours that are destructive to things we say we hold sacrosanct.

    It seems that we don’t believe in children any more, which echoes probably the seeming attitudes of the glutted avaricious who use politicians as puppets. They think along these lines; if we want children we can get them fashioned for us. The ordinary people can’t manage them or provide for them, and the world is overpopulated with insufficient resources. Technology can fill any gaps there are around. It seems to me, that having babies, children will become a licensed undertaking which must be applied and paid for.

    To attempt to live out a traditional human life, one will have to join wealthy ‘charities’ or cults eg Gloriavale etc. There was a giant Moon organisation; the latest on the Moon cult – https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unification-church-japan-moonies-tax-exempt-religion-status-victim-compensation/ ($67 million victim compensation). Groups that seem modern like Scientologists or traditional like Amish in the USA will pursue moulded lifestyles and co-operate to some extent with the governing powers. They will have parameters within which members will have freedoms and be granted some rights to personal living styles. Some will later be threatened with change or closure and choose a Masada-like end. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada

    Faith Popcorn is a person and a brand who forecasts future business trends and also looks at people’s likely lifestyles. More and more these are influenced by business so what her business has been saying may show our possible future.* We used to have religions spiritual values, abandoned now to supposed factual rational science. Religion has been undermined by business and self-indulgence, and warped by deciding human behaviours are essentially non-religious. In trying to reach some high plane in religion, material values have crept in and displaced appreciation of our good natures and potentials. The ephemeral values of heaven and spirituality are abandoned as foolish and replaced by the ephemeral values of money which exists through an attitude of mind as heaven does; but requires thinking about which is out of fashion.
    * https://www.fastcompany.com/90732637/3-things-youre-doing-wrong-when-you-try-to-plan-for-the-future

    We want easy answers with pictures from our tech devices. What to do – disagree with unpleasant thinking – ban it and lock Assange and his like up till they die? Life should be easy as for the dwellers in Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World John Wyndham’s books tend to be about the quest for a human, loving lifestyle. Young Adult author John Christopher is very readable on what choices we might have to make in fashioning society. But reading is essential. We could set up groups who give away their television and talk about what they read. Maybe we could get new paths drawn from our own questioning brains. The story of Temple Grandin who I think is autistic illustrates an individual sensibility, different from others. We must work on developing similar in ourselves because following the mainstream is limiting our futures., yet we must fix on practicality and kindness to retain our humanity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin

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