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  1. Wow, hmmmm….., so?
    AO/NZ, with a population of 5.3 million and is an agricultural exporting economy = 14 multi-billionaires, 3118 multi-millionaires each with a starting gate figure of $50 million dollars net and four once were AO/NZ banksters being the second most profitable in the world second only to Canada are now in australia, our agricultural exports competitors banksters and yet we have child poverty being all washed out to sea by a tide of stupid … I wonder why? I wonder how? I wonder who? I know ! Lets ask winston peters and his bestie Don Bare-Chest Brash, one time governor of the reserve bankster. Are AO/NZ’ers really that stupid? I mean, really? I mean Jesus Christ! That makes us almost as stupid as the Amerikans who elected an old orange goof-bully president. Twice.
    We’re in deep shit so we must do what all Amerikans do in a crisis. We must pray. Ba hahhahahaa aabababab abbba aaaaaaa ……HHHaaaaaaaa a a a a a a a a aa ! Ha…

      1. Remind me again what this coalition promised to do again?
        Or was this simply an aspiration like every other thing they’ve promised?

        1. Well it was not a high priority and I have no idea what they actually did to try and reduce the poverty stats. That ‘transformational government’ did not happen at anytime. In the first 6 weeks of that term major major things could have been done around child poverty. Imagine the outcry ‘you didn’t campaign on this’ imagine at the next election where you have the results of those actions. Fewer children going hungry, better results in schools, better accommodation, less domestic violence, fewer people in prison some more people making it in life rather than being squashed.

          To be frank most people don’t give a shit. At the knitting group I attend there are comments by people in their 60 to 80 who think that the poor are too lazy, too drunk, to drugged to actually manage the money they have. People have no idea. If they did someone would have written the book how to live on $x

          More is done for the old than for the young in this country, it makes me angry in a land of plenty. But Judith Collins was so excited about the new war shit we purchased than she has ever been bringing any child out of poverty. And frankly don’t put any hope on Labour when Hipkins walks to victory because they are not prepared to increase taxes on those at the top, have a financial transactions tax, a wealth tax. Oh dear they will all take their money somewhere else….

          Thanks Susan for your on-going commitment to the cause.

  2. Children alone cannot be in poverty unless its visited down upon them by caregivers who are in poverty as well. or that caregivers are diverting funds from any source to fund a lifestyle that is not commensurate with looking after the children.

  3. Children alone cannot be in poverty unless its visited down upon them by caregivers who are in poverty as well. or that caregivers are diverting funds from any source to fund a lifestyle that is not commensurate with looking after the children.

  4. thanks for comments—the contrast with the very simple NZ Super for the old what we do for the young is mind-blowingly incomprehensible. But it is also, unforgivably, perpetuating ever deeper child poverty.

  5. Susan I appreciate your logical posts as always.

    Yes child poverty. That term is highly emotive and appeals to politicians who want to appear they care about children by tinkering and being seen to take the crisis seriously but never really solve the deep seated reasons for why there is poverty in New Zealand.

    The real reasons will never be confronted.

    But more importantly its really family / caregiver / parental poverty or actually its destitution if we are to face the uncomfortable truth.

  6. hi kiwi battler thankyou for your comments. Of course it is family poverty not just children which is why we look at family income to see if it is adequate for the parents plus children. This requires adequate per child benefits ie tax credits. The wage system does not take family circumstance into account nor does the benefit system. Children can be invisible and hence the WFF tax credits are vital. But I agree the reasons for child poverty are not solely lack of money. But adequate income (and housing) are critical first steps to solving the problem

  7. NZ will never be a great society until we rid our selves of this curse which is dragging the whole economy down the drain .How can any person think it is ok to have any form of poverty in our country .Certain sectors of the population bleat on daily how they feed 4 billion people every day yet we have food poverty for half of the population inside our own country .We all think we have food security in NZ but we DO NOT .Read the labels on the package at the super market and it will say made SOMEWHERE ELSE or made in NZ FROM IMPORTED INGREDIANTS .
    Money is the root of all evil ,we have poverty so a few can make millions while children starve .

  8. Child poverty and other social issues could easily addressed if we had much more money. Now ask yourself what all could NZ do to earn money other than collecting taxes? And then ask yourself what obstacles are being put in the way of NZ earning that money? You’ll find that the “nay saying obstacle industry” is now bigger in NZ than the “potential money earning” industry. Starting with the champions of nay saying…the Greens.

    1. You do like to pick on easy targets Jonzie. The Greens are sort of a false maimai and tend to collapse like a soggy tent when confronted with reality and they have to aim at their target with injurious accuracy. It’s not just earnest speeches at meetings and data and statistics to illustrate the problem, and feelgood gatherings.

      But hey we here often do the same, full of concern but what are we doing, because it is not an easy task. The western countries have gone to war so many times since 1915 -Will they ever learn sang Peter Paul and Mary at the last height of anxiety in the 20th century. Now there is a brand ‘new’? idea of just counting everything in money, money is good, so more of it is better. We are deliberately obtuse and you are one of us, struggling to get free of this rigid hyperbole that has got everything in our world on a path to nowhere. A handful of people manipulating the world’s money? Is that clever? The Great Depression of 1929 and 100 years later here will we soon be?
      Great Depression
      Wikipedia
      https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Great_Depression
      The Great Depression was a severe global economic downturn from 1929 to 1939. The period was characterized by high rates of unemployment and poverty, …,,,

      Talking with a friend who said casually, of course the Second World War was mostly to break the Depression. I hadn’t thought of that but they were in dire straits and aren’t we now? Gasp, swallow.

  9. There are two major problems about concentrating on poverty and children. It’s too simple first. The government and Treasury and their right wing fellow travellers have built a ball of contending ideas all tangled around and there is no clear way to draw off a safety line to rationality, effectiveness, probity and morality.

    And second, the people in control don’t give a damn about most people – citizens, whether they are children or adults. Their only interest is in those who are getting sorted, in suitable growth areas, immigration visas, transport or developing housing either high-class or chicken coop type. So for those with old-fashioned ideas about improving life through democracy from those who try to fix things; it is like trying to undo a tangle of knitting wool so it can be knitted into a usable garment. The PTB’s response is a dismissive, ‘Get Knotted’.

  10. The problem is seemingly complex, but the solution is simplicity itself:

    Effect a redistribution of wealth from the top to the bottom.

    Graeme Hart is worth $14 billion – if you take away $13 billion of that, he will still be a billionaire!

    So, how much money is enough? How much, too much?

    We need a progressive tax system (and not a regressive one like GST) that takes more from the rich and gives more to the poor – for the sake of the children.

    And don’t give me any of that “tax is theft’ crap. We ALL benefit when society functions more equitavly.

  11. Mimicking the way superannuation is paid would give us a system where a standard per child payment was made to each household. Which feels like something we have had before (with a more progressive income tax regime).

    1. Right on. That is the direction to move- we have an absurd gap between how we treat the wealthiest of the old and the poorest of the young. I suggest we look at the social security budget and redirect spending.