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  1. Yeah, I tend to agree with your reaction to Trotter.

    I’m staying shtum and keeping my eyes and ears open on Gareth and his messages.

    He still hasn’t said anything that closes down his ideas to me.

    There is still time…

  2. ….demand side solutions, whether real (like the ETS) or imagined, (like ‘Clean Coal’) have one thing in common, the continued use and expansion of fossil fuel production (sic). ie. BAU

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/03/14/guest-blog-pat-odea-the-opportunities-party-climate-change-policy/#comment-374293

    And BAU unfortunately seems to be the main theme of the TOP party, The problem being that, that part of the political spectrum is pretty crowded already.

    I can’t see TOP doing well.

  3. Thank you for writing this. I too thought Trotter’s piece a step too far. I thought about commenting, but wondered if it was really worth it.

    I too have been impressed by TOP’s affiliation to using evidence in government. It’s what we desperately need, and it’s clear from Gareth’s time being involved with things like the obesity report that he’s had some insight and seen this process in action, and is now firmly on board evidence-based government. Things can only go better if we look at how well policies line up to what actually happens in the world around us *cough* climate change anyone? *cough*

    The taxation policies remedy a stark problem with NZ’s tax structure, which encourages capital to flow to non-productive activities like property trading rather than doing real work and creating something which would bring in foreign income without handing over land, and create jobs.

    The way they’ve sought member input for each of their policies is also a great strategy to get people back into the process of creating legislation, not corporate backers, and encourage a greater involvement in the democratic process.

    Greens already have my vote, but TOP would be an easy second choice. I hope they do well.

    1. Entirely agree with everything you said. I think many of us underestimate the vital role of investment in the circular flow of economy. We must encourage capital away from speculative and non-productive investments and use it, not so much to expand markets and grow the economy, but to reduce our carbon footprint.

  4. Kia ora Donna

    I agree that we should not just dismiss new ideas but I would challenge you on the points of years of research.

    My major criticism of neo classical economics would be methodological. Basing your understanding of real world problems on assumptions about human behaviour shown to be false empirically, applying over simplified maths to the over simplified models generated out of those assumptions and then always responding to any empirical evidence with a claim that policy didn’t go far enough or that most of us aren’t clever enough to understand the maths, is not an evidence based approach to policy, but is a good description of neoclassical economics and the neoliberalism it is used to support.

    To understand the Morgan Foundation’s continued commitment to neo classical economics one only has to listen to it’s “white board Fridays”. I am assuming that the Morgan Foundation and TOP are joined at the hip, I would be happy to be shown wrong.

    I agree with some of the policies of TOP and would not want to throw all their ideas out without consideration but I suspect that Chris is right about the neoliberalism

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