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  1. Good work again frank ………. This is the most corrupt Govt we have ever seen and people like you, NoRightTurn and others are doing us a great service by trying to keep the bastards honest.

    My only advice for you is not to engage with tr0lls like Gosman or AndrewO etc.

    Their mission is to waste your time and divert you from the excellent work you do.

    You bear witness and present the reality of their dishonest actions …….versus the Nats dishonest spin and attack politics.

    I think people like you can take some of the credit for over three quarters of New Zealanders now seeing Key as dishonest.

    Keep up the fine work and don’t let the horrible nat Tr0lls distract you from it…….

    They hate you for your love true of democracy 🙂

    1. Reason, thank you for your generous words. Let’s hope that shining the spotlight on Ministers’ and ministry’s actions will change some of the worst aspects of their behaviour.

      One incident of mis-use of the OIA would go un-noticed by 99% of the population. But over time, as incidents build up, and stories enter the public psyche, National will slowly build a reputation for itself as being a shady operator.

      This was already a suspicion in the public’s mind as far back as November 2011;

      Prime Minister John Key is considered a safe pair of hands in a crisis, but more voters believe he is more likely to lie than Labour leader Phil Goff.

      The latest Fairfax Media-Research International Poll asked voters what sort of people they thought the National and Labour leaders were. It found 34.9 per cent believed Mr Key was most likely to bend the truth, while 26 per cent thought Mr Goff was.

      Ref: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/election-2011/5939226/John-Key-Safe-hands-forked-tongue?

      As for Gosman – I find him useful. He asks gormless questions which reflects more on him than the issue he attempts to subvert. But I take your point about time-wasting. Hence why I removed myself from two other on-line Fora – too much time wasted on pointless debate with people who had zero interest in assessing facts.

      1. Lie is right. Brownly said he would release the defence white or was it the air mobility study, or both papers last year. Still hasn’t.

        Goose is so up for a serve

    2. One troll has just gone over all the comments and down voted most, as per usual fashion. The Nats and perhaps also ACT seem to have such willing mercenaries spend their days going over all the progressive and government critical blogs, to do their dirty deeds, trying to “discredit” us.

      More proof of a corrupt kind of system.

  2. Thank you Frank for informing us of the continuing deceitful, evasive behaviour from politicians and public servants contaminating our halls of power.

    Seems Parata, Tolley, their staff and to some extent Wakem, take their lead from the top. Follow the leader FJK, lie, cheat, deny and cover up. Slip and slide around the truth and all will be well in the land of Nod!

    One question Frank. How is it you still remain reasonably sane after being confronted by all this BS?

    Although a NZ citizen through naturalization, I had similar issues some years back dealing with public servants and policy, concerning my place of birth and the effect it had on me renewing my clean 36 year old driver’s licence! The BS I was confronted with was unbelievable, as well as extremely stressful. I got through it, but it did take its toll on me for a while, as I had done nothing wrong and felt I was being treated very badly, for something which is/was beyond my control! My only fault being I happened to be born at sea, which according to some jumped up little smart arse public servants wasn’t a recognized place of birth!

    Good luck Frank. All the best in your endeavours to get some open honest responses to your requests. Just don’t expect miracles though!

    1. Thank you, Mary. 🙂

      As for “How is it you still remain reasonably sane after being confronted by all this BS?”

      A good sense of humour is a prime requisite.

      It will be interesting what information I eventually get to my questions. But if MSD tries to fudge answers, that, in itself will be a story. And an indication that they are hiding something.

  3. My comments will be moderate.

    The Minister and/or her officials are lying scumbags.

    The Minister and her Ministry are in the business of leading our education system, seeing that our young people particularly have models of leadership that as well as being impeccable are inspirational.

    Hekia Parata and her mob continue to show that they are amoral and immoral and have no right to be leading our children. The corollary of course is that they have no right to expect moral behaviour from teachers and those running our educational institutions.

  4. Allowing for stat hols and ‘let’s not come to work on that day’ you ought to have received either a full reply or an interim by last Friday or Saturday.

    Please remember – mail is now only delivered every second day (which may or may not include Saturdays).

    An email, however, ought to have met the deadline precisely.

    I wonder if you’re allowed to turn up to collect? Or would you be escorted to the door by security?

  5. Quoted from the Ombudsman’s response to Frank:
    “This Office has no reason to doubt either party’s account of what has happened. In situations like this where a dispute of facts exist, it is generally not the function of an Ombudsman to determine which version of events is the one that should be preferred.””

    And I have come across that explanation before that the days between 24 December and 15 January do not count as “working days”, which is covered by some law, which I do not remember right now.

    So you are also coming across problems that friends and I have come across, dear Frank. Indeed the Ombudsman comes with some truly “bizarre” decisions at times, and I share your concern, that in at least a fair few cases, it seems as if the Ombudsmen are not fulfilling their functions under the Ombudsmen Act 1975.

    The following is another bizarre OIA case, where MSD’s Principal Health Advisor was later said to have deleted all his emails and contacts, as some of them had been “personal”. Strangely these covered correspondence with some controversial “experts” that had been consulted on welfare reforms:

    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/msd-o-i-a-rqst-re-dr-bratt-presentations-contacts-anon-ltr-w-questions-16-01-14.pdf

    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/msd-o-i-a-rqst-re-dr-bratt-presentations-contacts-anon-16-01-reply-by-ce-27-02-14.pdf

    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/msd-o-i-a-rqst-re-dr-bratt-presentations-contacts-anon-16-01-further-reply-12-11-14.pdf

    The Ombudsman was asked to address remaining issues:
    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ombudsman-complaint-o-i-a-to-msd-public-interest-re-dr-bratt-anon-xx-03-2014.pdf

    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ombudsman-complaint-msd-o-i-a-rqst-16-01-14-dr-bratt-presentation-info-ltr-xx-12-14.pdf

    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ombudsman-complaint-o-i-a-to-msd-dr-bratt-publ-int-prov-dec-compl-hilit-22-05-15.pdf

    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ombudsman-complaint-3xxxxx-msd-o-i-a-fr-16-01-14-bratt-presentations-anon-ltr-13-06-15.pdf

    https://nzsocialjusticeblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ombudsman-complaint-msd-o-i-a-rqst-16-01-14-dr-bratt-presentation-info-hilit-dec-23-06-15.pdf

    But in the end the Ombudsman did not do much at all to hold MSD to account, which has resulted in an Ombudsman complaint Mr Ron Paterson did not want to investigate (that was months ago). It is still under review, we have heard, but I would not expect much action from their Office, given past disappointing decisions I have been entrusted with.

    So losing or deleting emails with bizarre stated reasons or explanations seems to be quite acceptable, and the Ombudsman chooses to stay out of all this.

    Indeed it makes a mockery of the system, does it not?

    This post shows how there are ongoing problems with getting proper responses to OIA requests, that are specific and ask for clear enough information. Some is usually offered, albeit late, but often the more sensitive and interesting data does seem to get withheld, which forces people to complain to the Ombudsman, and there we get exactly the kind of stuff that Frank is here writing about.

  6. “This blogger suggests that the a lack of public submissions could well be attributed to a perception that the Ombudsman’s office is powerless in the face of a government that has been unrelentingly secretive and autocratic.”

    Well it raises very good questions about the sincerity of our past Chief Ombudsman and her team, as the survey that was conducted was only really publicly announced on the website of the Ombudsmen, and not widely shared, apart from commenters on some blog and otherwise few websites. Most people will not even have heard about the survey, as no media seemed to spread the message, possibly not in the know themselves.

    Here is one website where some info seems to have been published:
    https://nzfvc.org.nz/news/consultation-open-official-information-act-ombudsman
    “Chief Ombudsman Dame Beverley Wakem is seeking public feedback on the use of the Official Information Act (OIA) as part of a review into public sector OIA practices. Consultation closes on Thursday 5 November 2015.

    Launched on 23 October 2015, three online surveys aim to gather user experiences and perceptions of how the OIA is working in practice.”

    So it was launched on 23 October and people (those aware of it) had only barely two weeks to respond!

    Here the official notice on the Ombudsmen’s website:
    http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/newsroom/item/review-of-oia-practices-surveys-of-requesters-and-government-workers

    The main focus of her review was on the actual agencies that the Ombudsman reviewed (who will have been mindful with answering to questions, so as to not harm their own reputation), and on staff that work for these agencies, involved in answering OIA requests.

    http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/home/survey-3-end

    Two thirds of the three surveys were done with a focus on the very agencies that OIA requesters have so often complained about, only one third of the survey was covering the requesters of OIA info.

    Only marginally were requesters of information invited and allowed input. The survey was not at all widely notified, so few took note and few participated.

    No wonder then, but that is not due the lack of interest among the reqesters of information, it is the Ombudsman herself, Dame Beverley, who did not do her job. That is my view, of course, I leave it up to others to judge.

    Former Chief Ombudsman Dame Beverley, and her Deputy and other Ombudsmen seem to live in ivory towers somewhere on “Cloud Nine” or further up, where they are out of touch with the rest of us mortals, I fear.

    Show me where media announced the survey, please, surprise me with news I cannot find anywhere!

  7. You may need to re check your contention re the calculation of days over the Christmas break. Section 2 – Interpretation – clearly states:

    working day means any day of the week other than—
    (a)

    Saturday, Sunday, Good Friday, Easter Monday, Anzac Day, Labour Day, the Sovereign’s birthday, and Waitangi Day; and
    (ab)

    if Waitangi Day or Anzac Day falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, the following Monday; and
    (b)

    a day in the period commencing with 25 December in any year and ending with 15 January in the following year.

    See http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1982/0156/latest/DLM64790.html

  8. Great, keep up the good work. The “new” Chief Ombudsman, Professor Patterson is very adept at keeping secrets. He is as bad, if not worse, than Wakem.

    1. “The “new” Chief Ombudsman, Professor Patterson is very adept at keeping secrets. He is as bad, if not worse, than Wakem. ”

      I fear you are not wrong there, Ann!

      It brings to mind the so-called “old boys network”, which of course also includes the “old girls network”.

      While I don’t wish to speculate, the apparent lack of commitment to their functions and responsibilities, and to the spirit of the law they are meant to apply, raises serious questions about our ‘Officers of Parliament’.

      It is not a good look at all.

  9. For those that may be interested, also the Health and Disability Commissioner, same as an increasing number of other public offices, now no longer put names at the bottom of standard first response emails. They do thus avoid their staff being identifiable, which facilitates their secretive “watchdog” work behind office doors.

    The Office of Ombudsmen also have reception and front line people answer the phones, who do not identify themselves by name, as anecdotal evidence suggests they do at times face much abuse from members of the public, who are not happy with the way their complaints are being handled. They claim they do not disclose their names for privacy reasons.

    This whole review that former Chief Ombudsman Beverley Wakem (the “Dame”) conducted was a in some ways a bit farcical, maybe not really a sincere exercise after all, as the Ombudsmen know full well how much criticism comes their own way, on a daily basis.

  10. I want to echo the well dones from above.
    I admire yours and others tenacity in dealing with these officials.
    Thank-you.

    Rest assured that lots of us read and absorb the details of these shenanagins.

    I did have to roll my eyes at the notion of paying for information we already own….
    then realized that thousands lined up to buy shares in power city companies they already own.
    Business as usual.

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