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  1. Isn’t it interesting that the trolls on this thread have nothing to offer beyond a few key messages (“raising the alarm about our collective dependence on climate-cooking fossil fuels while still being dependent on fossil fuels is hypocrisy, shut up!”), and cheap below-the-belt jabs. Oh and anecdotes about individual solutions for financially comfortable homeowners, which are a good start, but far from enough to keep global temperature rise under 2%. Stephen, Andy, and Greg are the perfect illustration of the bankruptcy of neo-liberalism, and the fact that we urgently need an entirely new political-economic system that is compatible with the health of the biosphere.

  2. “voice of reason”? I don’t think anyone could call you that, Andy.

    “I’m not opposed to alternative energy sources. I just don’t see how occupying an office to get someone to sell their shares in fossil fuel companies to someone else is going to make any difference”

    Well then, you’ve not been paying attention, have you, Andy?

    Pray tell how else ordinary people will change corporate behaviour?

    You’ve not offered any constructive alternatives, I notice.

  3. So what are you doing about it Andy?? What practical steps have you taken?? All I see so far is niggling at others.

  4. Maybe you could do better to explain what is upsettong you so?

    The greens are offering to scrap the solar tax you liptard

  5. Stephen and Andy, the sub-text of your nit-picking is that you’re opposed to reducing fossil fuel consumption and supporting the status quo.

    I dismiss your ego-centric claim that you “post on here to be the voice of sanity and reason”. With increasing CO2 and temperature, that is no longer tenable. Your “voice of sanity and reason” is anything but.

    Your attempt to distract the debate by introducing certain products is a way of ducking the main issue here and attempting to frame the narrative as one of hypocrisy when it is not.

    If fossil fuels were replaced with alternatives, we wouldn’t need to be consuming carbon-intensive products in the first place.

  6. Thanks for the support and to those who’ve already refuted the hypocrisy argument on here. We were proud to take a stand yesterday.

    1. Good on you, Aine!

      The Flat Earthers here (Andy, Dave, and Stephen) will be forgotten in the mists of time. The human race either has to change it’s carbon-polluting ways, or face a dim future.

      We are indebted to people of conscience like you!!

  7. Interesting to read a link on TDB a few days ago about india’s solar power is now cheaper than coal power. Does look like an Aussie coal company wanting to change this however… 1 step forward, 2 steps back!
    Keep getting the message out there!

  8. The society we all live in is a heat engine, the only way to reduce our CO2 emissions is to collapse this society …. well that might have been the case back in the dim dark past (no wait, 100 years ago) but it is way way too late to do a goddamn thing to reverse what is in motion now.
    The new ‘middle aged’ could be as young as 2 – 4 years old.
    410 CO2 …. and increasing at a (nearly?) never seen rate, is driving everything we need to survive into the crematorium.
    The futility of this action, is similar to bailing out steerage, even with a 10 lt bucket.
    Nature is emitting more CO2 than humans are now, what we are seeing is called Runaway Climate Change, or is that global warming??
    The horse has well and truly bolted, in fact it has impregnated the neighbours filly.
    Talking about ‘divesting’ in oil extraction, or whatever, is just asking people to start dying a little sooner, we eat fossil fuels.
    I’ve probably pushed my luck, better shut up (

  9. No one has the right to make any peace or environmental activist feel guilty for driving cars. That’s insane. I support your efforts in divesting and waking up the greedy corporations. Activists need all the support and help they can get. Good on you and your efforts are greatly appreciated.

  10. Thanks for your commitment and work towards a saner and healthier world. Do not let the fear and mis-info mongers tell us that just because we are activists for healthy energy and sane investments that we are somehow not allowed to drive cars. Stupid stinken thinkin

  11. Bill McKibben? From 350.org? Made (in)famous by their video of children’s heads explo**** because they didn’t fall for Komrade McKibben’s Kult of ‘Goddess Gaia forgive us for we have sinned’ pap? Give me patience.

  12. That’s another cop-out, Stephen.

    Using your rationale, you should set up your own blogsite and post your comments there, instead of using Forum.

    It’s difficult to offer “viable alternatives” when citizens don’t have access to the same capital funds that the fossil fuel industry can readily exploit. But you hadn’t considered that, have you?

  13. That’s a piss-poor argument, Andy, when our technological consumerist society offers very little by way of alternatives. Your snide comment is meant to justify the status quo, not question it.

    1. No Frank. You miss understand. Andy isnt being snide. No. He is truly and legitimately confused by transport.

      He is infact hungry for spaghetti. Would you like cheese with that Andy?

  14. I totally support your stance. We do not need coal, oil and gas given the “free energy” technology that is being withheld from humanity. Perhaps the sit-in should be demanding the release of those inventions…such as water driven engines available some 70 years or so back.
    I do think that commonsense must prevail regarding CO2 levels, as shown in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6-Sk0FEGGQ
    and not let the past rantings of people like Bill Gates persuade the argument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc16H3uHKOA
    Bravo for taking a stand!