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  1. KEEP YOUR SPIRITS UP TIBBY AS HELP IS ON IT’S WAY AS NZ IS TIED OF THIS EVIL ADMINISTRATION THAT ROBS EVERYTHING FROM US AND THEN GIVES US A PITTANCE IN RETURN.

    NZ FIRST IS OUR BEST BET AS IN GOVERNMENT THEY WILL DO MORE THAN ANY OTHER PARTY TO REDISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH THAT NOW HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM US ALL FOR THE RICH AND CORPORATE GREED.

    WATCH THE PRESS RELEASE THIS WEEKEND AS NZ FIRST IS HOLDING IT’S OWN AGM AND RALLY FOR THE ELECTION IN MANAKAU SATURDAY/SUNDAY.

    http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/

  2. Didnt read the full article , – didnt have to . Ive had run ins with WINZ before and they were the same. Arseholes. Except one particular time I had them over a barrel in a legal sense, Thanks to my security training.

    I pointed out they would be complicit in breaking the law- as in fraud.

    I got the managing director after putting it bluntly and was treated like royalty.

    They have become a pack of shitheads many of them. Lazy , little public servants who have been given a sense of power over people by their management laying down the law to them and for those without principle , they have lapped that up like dogs.

    Its no wonder so many of them are now held in contempt. But Ive got a message for them : you’re times coming and there is going to be a change in administration. And you will be treated like the archaic dinosaurs you are and they way you deserve to be treated.

    Don’t fuck with the NZ public.

  3. Amazing what having some level of support does! Well done, Tibby!

    You should activate the beneficiary community to vote the current The National Party, ACT and The Maori Party out, because WINZ is only going to get worse if there is another 3 years of the current administration.

    Probably the only reason WINZ gave the parent and kids accomodation is that they were worried it would be made public and the government is trying to keep the worsening homeless situation under wraps before the election.

    After the election, the The National Party won’t be providing any help, apart from for billionaires desperately needing government help, is my guess.

    1. Thanks very much. To be honest I don’t actually know what I would’ve done had WINZ not helped her. Hard to kick up a stink and go public while also respecting someone’s privacy. I just knew in my gut that what I was seeing was so spectacularly wrong. Probably helped that the place was empty. Had it been busy the very short exchange between the mum and the manager would’ve gone unnoticed and she’d have just slipped out unnoticed. Makes you wonder how some of those managers, who I presume are mothers themselves, can bloody sleep at night. Cheers.

  4. Hello Tibby,

    Hope you don’t mind but I’ve just read this out to a friend of mine in England (over Skype)who has been going through hell with their equivalent, Department of Work and Pensions (who somehow even trump how bad WINZ are!)
    She’s said to pass on that what you’ve written here is worth a round of applause, as do I.

    On behalf of all beneficiaries, thank you for such an eloquently worded summary of how it is. This needs to be sent to the media and all MPs. While it’s sadly a given certain ones will ignore it, hopefully it might tweak a slight conscience in a few.

    Do we have you permission to circulate this, by email and social media?

    1. Thank you for your kind feedback, it means a lot. Please share it however you see fit. I posted the letter on my FB page and it’s set to public. You can find it by searching Tibby White (Wellington). And yeah I do know the UK equivalent to our Winz is also extremely grim. The eye-opening film by Ken Loach ‘I, Daniel Blake’ suddenly springs to mind. Well worth a watch if you and your friend haven’t already seen it.

  5. Your story is a sickening reminder of where we have come under this National regime. I call it a regime, not government, because they wish you to bow to their superiority. How dare you challenge the establishment, how dare you care for the less fortunate.
    It has been clear since coming into government, that the mandate has been to neglect all social aspects of society. The evidence is clear in the way, the then social development minister in 2008, forgave privacy rights of individuals, criminalised individuals as she roughshod her way to be the now deputy prime minister. I can only describe this as sickening.

    As you have pointed out and is severely worth repeating…

    ‘Rise like Lions after slumber
    In unvanquishable number –
    Shake your chains to earth like dew
    Which in sleep had fallen on you –
    Ye are many – they are few.’

  6. Thank you for writing this Tibby. And thank you for having the empathy and nous to help the mother. As we all should.

    I have experienced all that you have expressed. Never, ever have I had to wait less than half an hour to be ‘seen’. And yet we’re referred to as clients. What a bloody joke that is.
    And yes Labour’s performance has been no better than National’s, making them just as guilty.
    I don’t expect NZ First to propose changes that will make a jot of difference to beneficiaries either.
    Because the unenviable situation the ‘beneficiary’ is in, (other than Rio Tinto et al of course), is understood by the rarest politician.

    Some, who have such experience, like the abused becomes the abuser, pull up the ladder that they so eagerly climbed.

    1. … ” Some, who have such experience, like the abused becomes the abuser, pull up the ladder that they so eagerly climbed ” …

      Paula Bennett.

      And to think we have that deranged psycho as a Deputy Prime Minister.

      That says it all. We need to get rid of this government pronto. And we also need to stop majoring on petty differences between party’s and vote en masse and vote strategically.

      It can be done and we the New Zealanders can do it.

      And we should.

  7. So well done. Especially to manage to keep your cool and not end up ‘red flagged’. That’s the key.

    I still think its a real loss to the Greens not having Sue Bradford on board. She is one of the few politicians who you know looks critically at these issues and could have helped keep a Labour/Green/NZ First Government on task when it comes to Beneficiaries issues.

    1. Well I didn’t agree with the smacking law thing but Sue Bradford sure earns my respect. There was nothing like seeing that woman courageously crashing those security / police lines and making damn sure those politicians guilty of social abuse heard the message loud and clear.

      And then serving in parliament . We need far , far more like Sue Bradford in parliament crashing the walls of neo liberalism . In fact , – we desperately need far more JUST like her to stick it to these neo liberal globalist scumbags not just in central government , – but local body’s as well.

  8. Thank you for writing this Tibby and for standing up for another beneficiary’s welfare (welfare being a word which has been so far twisted from its original meaning by WINZ). I have a WINZ appointment next Wednesday, for which I am taking an advocate. The risk is that if you speak up too loudly for your own rights, let alone someone else’s, you can be trespassed for ‘threatening behaviour’, which I am fairly certain includes any statements critical of government policy and suggesting that there might be a better way to support people in need eg Universal Basic Income

  9. The thing that amazes me is that WINZ is allowed to get away with the dehumanising, disrespect, and obvious prejudice toward people that have no other choice than to land there for help… My experience with them has been close to identacle to Tibby’s. I have never had an appointment that was on time from the WINZ side of the bench, but heaven forbid if you miss an appointment with this Mob! You can have your benefit stopped immediately in the worst case. Speak out in protest and get slapped with a warning saying, curb your behaviour or next time you’ll be issued a Trespass notice and won’t be allowed through the door for 2 yrs… Question a decision??? If the form you fill in makes any ripples in their world it gets completely buried and never see’s the light of day again. Ask for a copy of your files and get added to the Black List. But, see, “we’re helping you” is the saying of the decade… We should all start a CLass Action Legal Case against Paula B, Anne T, and every Business Centre Manager and their hench-people client managers! In my case, being a divorced older male means you beat up everything with a dress and are a secret kiddy fiddler in the manner you’re treated. The last bit may be unique to the WINZ office I am serving time for my supper… but, it may be a “Taught in Training” thing, I don’t know. The only people who might not flinch in pain when dealing with our Social Servants at WINZ are most likely Masochistic or Cloistered….

    1. Hi Michael I was fortunate to encounter a decent, sympathetic WINZ case manager yesterday. It probably helped that I am pakeha, articulate and know my rights and the ins and outs of the benefit system. I also had a very good advocate with me. I realise that this is not the experience of many and you really need to be on top of things to get your entitlements. It shouldn’t be a matter of sheer luck that you get the support you need at WINZ – yes there are laws and regulations, but they seem to employ many staff who lack compassion and are themselves just there to earn money. Let’s hope that if Labour-Greens are the next government, they will overhaul the whole social welfare system and also dump the Social Security Act rewrite

  10. I have just read about the new greens welfare reform on stuff – the comments section is horrendous and disturbing. .. truly awful and practically baying for beneficiaries blood.

    Yes it’s Stuff but we have a long way to go unfortunately.
    Well done Tibby! You’re a legend!!

  11. Metiria Turei has publicly admitted that she had to lie to WINZ to make ends meet, like so many others have to. Dunedin South MP Clare Curran set up a tent in the Octagon last night, and says she will continue her occupation until two homeless women get secure accomodation:
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/mp-camps-out-protest-pairs-plight

    Yes, Labour have a debt to pay for their role in Rogernomics, and for their failure to restore benefits to pre-1990 levels under Clark. But the Labour of 2017 appear to be a genuinely different beast to the Blairite Labour of the last few decades, as indicated by their willingness to govern with the Greens. Meanwhile, the NatACT attitude to social welfare is summed up nicely by the comments above made under the name I’m Right. To say National and Labour are as bad as each other is false balance.

    I recently met a guy on the street in Ōtepoti, jobless and homeless. In order to get into a job, he needed a home, so he could scrub up for interviews. To get a home, he needed a benefit. To get a benefit he needed a bank account. To get a bank account, he needed two forms of photo ID.

    To even enter a WINZ office, explain his circumstances, and ask for emergency help, he needed an appointment and photo ID. So this man was living in a tent in the middle of winter while he waited for his photo ID to be arrive. This is exactly the vicious cycle of circumstances the social welfare system was set up to keep people from falling into. We can and must do better as a country to care for the most vulnerable members of our communities.

  12. Thank you Tibby. I wonder when the WINZ TV reality show will appear, with NZ on Air funding of course ? Identities protected, lol. A sad and tragic reality for any citizen of New Zealand.

  13. Hi PhilG Yes I wonder when. We have already had the UK and Oz bene scroungers reality shows.

  14. I think the fact that there is no privacy is just awful. A friend of mine who had a terminal illness (she has recently died at age 50) and who needed to in the first time in her life apply for a benefit because she could no longer work anymore. She tearfully told me her story after it happened.
    She sat in her wheelchair with her husband at WINZ (who was working at night and taking care of her and their children in the day), for over two hours waiting for her appointment and started crying. Only one person asked if she was ok. She said no, but they did nothing.
    Then after the long wait, they were ushered to a desk where she had to tell her terminal illness and financial story where everyone could hear. There was no dignity. She cried the whole time and her husband probably was crying inside too Awful.
    She got the disability benefit but what an awful experience to put a terminal ill NZ citizen through in the last days of their lives. Terrible terrible. WINZ and the politicians that support their cruel treatment of beneficiaries should be ashamed. I cry again. 🙁

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