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  1. Yes it is mined illegally.
    Yes the army, and other security, agencies treat Sahrawi badly.

    To the slave labour point. That’s not the case. The jobs at Phosboucraa/OCP are kept for Moroccan settlers. Sahrawi are, to a huge degree from employment at the extraction businesses.

  2. You are ridiculous with such a comment, you are just looking for excuses not to change, like most people. Minimising fossil fuel use is the first step, e.g. by using buses, thus using Diesel or other fuels more efficiently, but you just ridicule that, which discredits the point you are trying to make when you talk about a needed ‘transition’.

    How is your carbon footprint?

  3. Then frame the discussion on those points.

    Creating a faux-argument that critics of the carbon-economy should retreat to caves and wear animal skins is unhelpful and suggests you have no constructive alternative.

    Because as we abandoned asbestos, DDT, chloroflourocarbons, etc, the days of the carbon-based economy is numbered. Either that, or we continue to foul our own planet.

  4. Just antoher conflict that the rest of the world mostly ignores. Morocco’s control of Western Sahara is another blight on humanity.

    Have there been any UN resolutions on this at all.

    Surely we need to stop using phosphate anyway. Organic farming never uses this un-natural product.

    We tried to put in a compostable toilet in our new house in christchurch this waas not permitted because ‘if we sell it the next owner won’t know how to look after it’. Compostable toilets are the way of the future, this is dumb.

  5. We need alternative energy, alternative resource use, a focus on developing, building and using things more longer term, to avoid waste and pollution.

    We can live without plastic bags, without plastic packaging, without much of what people use every day, by simply going for reused packaging, conservative use of containers and what else can be re-used (using it longer), we can get around with less energy wastage, we have bodies that move, we can walk, cycle and use buses, trains, no problem.

    There is NO need to continue the buy and turf away lifestyle, the drive to every corner shop lifestyle, the use of home appliances in too wasteful manners.

    As a transition is needed, it would be foolish to tell people to suddenly stop using everything, e.g. a computer, as we can plan for a better future where such things can be used with less fossil fuel energy and resources.

    I bus, walk and am anti consumerist, in summer grow own veges, have a very low carbon print, how “good” is your carbon print, David?

  6. That’s patently ridiculous, David. The complex technological society can no longer be resolved with papyrus manuscripts, mules, and candle-light. Technological problems and 21st century complexity demand solutions using precisely those tools.

    But really, your real agenda to to engage in blame-shifting to try to trivialise the problems at hand. Not very useful, I’m afraid.

  7. So you say we should rely on a finite resource, that took hundreds of millions of years to form, and while doing so continue polluting the atmosphere to degrees, it will radically change the climate, potentially making much of the planet become inhospitable for human living?

    50 degrees Celsius to become more normal in the Gulf states, the Middle East and places like Central Australia soon, is that what we should just accept as a consequence?

  8. “home drilled ethical oil”, how does that look like, David??? Does it emit less or no CO2 and other gases?

  9. We need fewer people…
    We need less junk…
    we need to stop shoving the load onto other beings and the land and waters…

    And it would be more than helpful if we helped the people exporting their land and wealth to find alternatives before they hit the road to Libya, probable slavery, or death in the Mediterranean.

    (We stop buying – and then what? It’s been bloody and cruel so far in the places we left to ‘self-government’.)

    Or shall we step back, making excuses as we guilt-trip to the rear?

    By the way – could we start closer to home – on Nauru? Or don’t we talk to strip-mined penal colonies nowadays?

  10. We will have to learn how to grow food without fertilizer which is not only possible but better in every way except feeding the parasitic corporations pushing poisoning of our land for short term profit.

    We have the knowledge and examples to follow.

    Farming for profit means growing what will grow well in an area not trying to grow stuff than has high dependence on Non Renewable resources and in the case of fertilizer which comes with a toxic consequence to the soil and our water.

    The least damaging irrigation is natural rainfall. Again plants need to be suited to the situation. It is costly and usually damaging in the long term to change the situation to suit a plant that will not survive without those changes.

    1. We ALL produce fertiliser every day, we go to the toilet, so there is a source of natural fertiliser, that can be processed to use it commercially and efficiently, it may not match the phosphate and some other fertilisers for immediate and intense effects, but it is part of the natural cycle of food production, consumption and disposal of the faeces etc..

      Problem is the consumption occurs in centralised places, where little or no food production occurs. In traditional farming I observed how manure from cattle was taken to the fields to fertilise new crops, including grass, to grow better.

      The challenge is how to do this without too much nitrate and other leakage ending up in our water streams and lakes.

  11. Yes yes yes now I’m getting somewhat tired of this line of accusation. We are all complicit. Not just farmers but all of us. Farming is a balance sheet exercise that holds no moral judgment for the individual farmer. Same if you are a trady you don’t ask who made the widget you installed where and if any crimes were committed. Nor I doubt that the bloggers here use technology that comes at a very real cost to workers and environment.
    Yes we need to ask the questions. Next ask how we stop this and what as a consequence we are prepared to do and pay?

  12. That leaves NZ farmer fertiliser co-operatives Ravensdown and Ballance AgriNutrients among only nine companies worldwide who continue to support Morocco’s illegal occupation through purchase of rock phosphate.””

    Let me guess, it may not only be preferable to other sources on the stated reasons, it may perhaps also be cheaper, I suspect, as the Moroccans sell it in disregard of international principles.

    And it is a finite resource, phospate that is, so here we go again, finite resources being used to produce dairy and other agricultural products on borrowed time, catering for a world population that is also not sustainable, should we stop using fossil fuel energy tomorrow.

    We are continuing to dig our own grave, humanity lives on borrowed time, as long as it exploits finite resources that took millions or hundreds of millions of years to be created.

    But as usual, our MSM does not give a damned rat’s arse about this and other important matters, they continue to feed us with one sides “news” and trivia day in and out.