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  1. Many problems in regard to undue influence of otherwise insignificant parties would be solved by a rule forbidding such parties (with under two or three, maybe few more) MPs from holding a ministerial position.

  2. Well reasoned Frank.

    When hypocrites like Gower and Farrar insist that the Greens and Labour play by a different set of rules, especially after Collins refused to remove the coat-tailing provision, it’s like playing a game of rugby when one side is playing by soccer rules.

    It’s time we all grew up!

  3. Yes Frank,

    What springs to mind is; – “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander too” eh?

    Funny the Nat’s don’t like it when others steal their plan, as they do this all the time to other parties plans right?

    To many to recite.

  4. Great work as usual Frank.

    It’s time to biff MMP and move to STV. The promise of it properly reflecting the proportion of voters hasn’t been met.

    The rejection of the Commission’s recommendations was a farce.

    Remember, at the last election the total party vote for Nat/Act/Maori/UF was 49.27% of the vote – less than 50% – but turned into 52.9% representation in the House. That’s a crap system.
    Four issues:

    1. Adjunct parties
    The coat-tail isn’t the subtle issue it once was, it’s now the adjunct party. Act and arguably UF are adjunct parties to National. This is the real MMP rort. They finagle two seats in the House as electorate seats on top of National’s party vote.
    If we keep MMP, then a new threshold needs to be introduced. That is that for an electorate MMP to get in their party vote needs to exceed 0.083% (1/120) to ensure they’re not picking up a seat for free for another party.
    The corollary of this is that in some electorates e.g. Epsom, Ohariu some voters effectively get two party votes when the rest of us only get one.

    2. Wasted votes
    If 10 people vote for ALCP then effectively 5 of those votes go to National.
    The system penalises people for voting for small parties as “wasted votes” get reallocated the parties that meet the threshold.
    If we keep MMP, some sort of preference system needs to be introduced so that if the party voted for doesn’t meet the threshold then the vote goes to a party that does. Every vote should ultimately count.

    3. FPP for electorate votes
    Ridiculous that we still use FPP for electorate votes – needs to change.

    4. Voter intention & tactical voting
    Some years ago the Electoral Commission were chuffed that 80% of NZers recognised the party vote as the more important vote. But in some electorates, the electorate is equally or more important e.g. Epsom, Ohariu.
    I have no confidence that the votes submitted by electors actually deliver their voting intentions. Did the Greens voters in Ohariu really know what they were doing by voting for the electorate candidate?
    A study needs to be done to ascertain whether MMP actually reflects voter intention.

  5. Dunne has signed off on many things concerning adults but when it comes to children his record of Franks estimations is 3-1 for adults recieving medical marijauna, that balance must be corrected.

    Happy to be corrected

  6. Far far and Gower are hypocrites? Well colour me surprised! (Note sarc)

    it’s high time the left got with the programme and if the Nats and act want to make dirty deals the order of the day, then that’s how we should play the game.

    Those who cry”hypocrisy” are just bleating that the left is finally going to play hardball with the right.

    As for Gower, the man is a disgrace to his profession. No wonder trump pours scorn on the media. (And I’m no fan of the orange-haired fascist)

  7. For years corporate media shills like Gower and Farrar simply ignored the possibility of a green-left government. Since the MoU was announced, they’ve gone to great effort to pour scorn on the very idea. Now going into attack mode, with all the double standards and hypocrisy that Frank’s excellent piece reveals in all its glory.

    ‘First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.’ – Gandhi

  8. As a life time renter on a low income, but as someone who will probably be able to avoid extended homelessness, and never has a chance of getting anywhere near a housing NZ waiting list……
    I am still struggling to understand what Labour will be doing to stop constant rent rises and ensure renters have secure housing to raise their children in, and live in during retirement.
    You know, be able to live as part of a community and without constant grinding fear about how you will afford the next house and the next increase.

    I suspect that makes me part of a large, and growing, group. Probably one of the biggest groups as the baby boomers start to leave this mortal coil.

    I’m just not feeling that motivated to vote for a party that thinks $500.000 is an affordable house, and that ‘The Kiwi Dream’ is something only for homeowners.

    Some moves towards helping the very worse off seems more like a vote winner for home owners feeling a bit guilty about the very poorest in society.

    So, okay, I will probably will vote Labour to help out the homeless, but I’m very disappointed to be voting for more of the same, all because politicians are scared of killing off the housing market.

    1. Why would you vote for labour then? It’s not first past the post any more.

      Why not vote Mana, or Greens or TOP of you want real change?

    2. So voting isn’t the answer, voting for someone who has the answers is the answer.

      What are the answers? We don’t want it that $500.000 is an affordable house but what is an ‘affordable house’?

      What is the ‘The Kiwi Dream’ ? Quite specifically, not just what needs to be changed to see the dream achievable, changed to what?

  9. The problem is that if the NAct and UF votes are combined, GP+Lab are still way behind. I know there are other variables in an MMP environment, but people seem to ignore the basic arithmetic.

  10. “I will not be surprised if Gower eventually ends up as Press Secretary for a National minister.”

    Yep, he’s always struck me as a poor man’s Bill Ralston (if it’s possible for that someone could be that poor…)

  11. Oh, I love to hate that Gower man, the TV3 Newshub hatchet man of sorts, this despicable character deserves to eat manure.

    As for Frank’s post, yes, it is so important to get this government out of Office, if only enough would bother to vote.

  12. There’s every reason a pathetic shill like Gower should end up redundant.

    Real journalists are valuable, Gower is worthless and perfectly dispensable.

  13. Changing the rules would require 75% majority support in parliament. I’m inclined to think that under those circumstances change will almost never come from parliament alone since MPs will generally act in their own interests rather than in the public interest in this matter. And of course the public is also so partisan that they will in any case continue to vote for parties that rort the system; so the “ballot box” corrective is also no longer operative.

  14. No one thinks it’s a dirty deal apart from idiots and right wingers – Gower is both.

    Good on Greens.

    Labour and Greens need to do more deals.

    They should also be doing deals with Winston Peters, NZ First should be taking out Nat votes like Northland. Even Nat supporters are fed up with the dodgy dealings of the Nats!

    Personally would be quite happy with a Labour/Green/ NZ First and hope Mana with Hone Hawawira gets in too.

    To my mind we need to have a broad group of parties to represent NZ groups. When one group gets too much power AKA the Natz we get devastating results.

    So if the conservatives swap from National to NZ First, Labour becomes the centre, Greens are Green and Mana represents the left – we might just get a government that does represent the people of this country, not a bunch of cashing up Kleptocrats and their ambitious careerists networking to get their next lucrative overseas job and tax free bribes and incentives.

    1. Agree Labour/Greens/NZF covers all the bases and Mana if required Hone Harawira is actually quite sensible when you listen to him and is portrayed badly by MSM as is Winston Peters NZF.

      1. Exactly JACK RAMAKA, even if I don’t agree entirely with either Winston or Hone on everything – but I do agree with about 80% of what they say.

        The big factor is those politicians genuinely want the best for NZ and New Zealander’s – even if they have different ideas about how to go about it.

        Makes a change from the power and money hungry careerists out there mostly in National and ACT, just doing things for themselves their lobbyists and backers who might not even be in NZ.

        Even if they are nice people in Natz they tend to be in a ideological bubble, of private school, followed by working in a nice job they are helped into and then to politics, so have no idea of reality, which is just as dangerous.

        Both Winston and Hone are demonised in the MSM because they do have integrity and won’t sell out, and therefore deemed ‘dangerous’ to many. In fact you can tell the better politicians just by seeing how many smears against them are published in MSM.

        Likewise Andrew Little wants the best for NZ and so do the Greens as an institution – (they may have lost their way a tad over too many Gen Zero development ideas) but they also have the integrity and will help lead NZ into a much brighter (and real) future.

        Anyway I’m hopeful for a change of government that has genuine people as politicians who want the best and have enough nous (that is where Winston and Hone come in) to not believe every free trade/arms/foreign policy/corporate lobbyist salesman coming in, or blow up the middle class (cultural revolution style, Greens) or through free trade globalism (Blairites in Labour) that has worked so well in the USA and UK (sarc).

        Surely that is how MMP is supposed to work? That is the broad church betweens parties that genuinely want the best for their country and can collaborate to do so. Not just take short term gains for a few for long term destruction as our present government are doing.

  15. Accommodation for the idiot breeding masses has been a problem since we overcrowded our first cave
    There simply isn’t enough ‘planet’ left to supply 20 degree celceus homes for over 7.5 billion people, and all the infstructure that would require
    And as we are seeing it is not just housing we are despirately short of, with the population increasing @ the speed of the Hutt Valley per year New Zealand is several hospitals, high schools, child care, powerstations and roads etc short of supporting the 70,000 extra people turning up at imagination or the maternity wards, it just defies logic to say we can do anything about it.
    And we have politicians who profess knoledge of the planets limitations, while at the same time saying they are proud of adding to the problem?
    Russia sort of solved their housing problems @ the point of a gun basically by filling all vacant or under utalised homes with people. That is the only way this problem is going to be solved
    Until the pig ignorant breeding growth based masses understand you can not fill a life raft with a crusliner full of people we will never sort this shitfest out.
    And voting is just everdence the people are stupid
    As the story goes it took a 10 year old boy to point out the king was naked, I feel like that kid, and my spelling etc shows it 😉

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