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  1. The simple fact is the right are using the ignorance and sense of entitlement of the masses to get them to fight for their profit-making causes – as is always the case. Charters are a money-making scam, but members of the public don’t see that – they just see “my school”, “my uniform”, “my community” – the “choice” argument from the right is just the hook; pure pretense. As a result, the public end up ironically fighting for ideologically leftian causes but which have been co-opted by the right. This is why a basic political/historical education is necessary.

  2. I see no reason to discourage private schools so long as they perform to a standard set by society. But I see no reason for them to be funded by the state at all. How bazar that the extreme neoliberal, user pays, politicians seem to think they should be state funded.
    D J S

    1. Bang on David, by all means have your private school but the moment it is funded by the Government then you play by their rules.

      1. Yes National have used us an a social experiment with their crazy ideologies just like Hitler did during the war.

        So we are welcoming the scrapping of these draconian privatizations of our essential services.

        Send the National Party also to the scrap heap too please.

        it is now out of date and unfit for purpose any more.

        We need a ‘National Socialist Party’ that cares and builds the future for us all not just the few.

    2. The rationale for funding private schools, as I once had it explained to me by a Ministry of Education policy analyst, is primarily down to a recognition that private schools remove students from the public education system. So the Ministry provides an amount but it is nowhere what a publicly funded school receives in funding entitlements.

      But I don’t agree with it. It’s either private or public and private should be able to stand on its own without public assistance. And the likes of Wanganui Collegiate getting a $3.8m bailout in 2012 (even though they became integrated as a result) still irks me, especially as the school at the time held an asset portfolio of around $6m.

      1. The Wanganui Collegiate School bailout should have been a massive scandal. Given the power of the teflon Government of the time it wasn’t.

        All the crap about charter schools and their difference to state schools, all the rhetoric about accountability, all the bunkum about private models being best.

        They were failing, they should not have been bailed out. You know , you don’t make a go of it you close, that’s what’s good about the charter model. There was enough school space in the district to absorb the locals who attended.

        The MInistry advice was ignored, the Minister was out-voted and Chester Borrows will probably get a knighthood for getting the Cabinet to support him.

        The scum on Kiwiblog who proudly flaunt the “NZ is least corrupt country’ sort of angle when international surveys come out (well did when their cobbers were in government) see the Wanganui Collegiate episode as good business. I call it corruption. Wanganui Collegiate = WC

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8345722/Parata-overruled-on-Collegiate-integration

  3. The debate about Charter Schools has been incredibly frustrating. The right have presented those of us opposed to Charter Schools as advocates of a conformist, one-size-fits-all school system, which prevents educators from experimenting with new approaches for specific groups of learners. The sensible response would have been to consistently debunk this caricature, by pointing out that the public education system already supports a diverse range of special character schools, kura kaupapa, and so on. Instead, too many on the left leaped into the hole the PR trolls of the right dug for them, by attacking the idea of different kinds of schools existing within a unified system, instead of criticizing the things that were actually wrong with Charter Schools (unregisted teachers, not bound to the same curriculum, with greater funding , and so on) *facepalm*.

  4. OK.
    There’s a core set of skills we’d like to think every citizen with the capacity to learn could have mastered before they skip away from primary school into the holding pen of secondary school.

    And, too often, we’re failing.

    We had the Labour thing about ‘qualifications’ – every kid should have one. Every kid who didn’t? Well, ‘we know’ about them, eh?

    Tough if you wanted one of the core skills to be swimming. Schools closed the pools. ‘Safety’. Too bad if you wanted your kids to know about shopping, cooking, budgetting and basic life skills. ‘Frills! Learn at home’

    The curriculim is a portable feast. A hot pot of the moment and the trends. Readily put on a diet or starved to death. Subject to whim and ideology.

    It’s a crock.

    Dispute? Who is putting together a lot of online material? Unless there’s been a change – good old USA, as part of the great propaganda drive.

    All schools are charter schools under the skin. Each is the creation of the teachers, kids and community. There’s very little commonality at all.

    PS in the Olden Days – lots of teachers, damn’ good ones, came in from trades and similar to teach. ‘Unqualified’ – and kids learned well enough to cope with leaving early. Qualifications have not led to teacher retention or increased learning skills in many students.

    BTW – where are the second chance schools for men? Lots of young fellows crave to leave school early. Get a job. Buy the toys. And would love to return later, when they’ve reached a learning frame of mind.

    Make it easy and very affordable to learn in a formal environment, any time. Always. Unconditionally. Throughout life.

    Now, when do night classes start again?

    1. I think you’re mistaking cause and effect. It was National education policy that told schools they should be putting all their focus on STEM subjects, and defunded schools pools, and manual and art classes. Has this actually improved students’ performance in the STEM subjects? Well no, and teachers told them it wouldn’t, because decades of international research show that supporting learning in non-STEM areas like art supports learning in STEM areas.

      “The curriculim is a portable feast. A hot pot of the moment and the trends. Readily put on a diet or starved to death. Subject to whim and ideology.”

      Have you ever actually looked at the curriculum? A friend who was homeschooling his daughter showed me his copies. He explained that the curriculum lays out all the things the education authorities expect a child to learn during their schooling, and leaves it up to educators (including parents like my friend) to decide the best way of teaching that material for the students they teach. There’s nothing arbitrary or ideological about it, and your description couldn’t be further from the truth.

      “Online material”? I’m guessing you’re referring to the “COOL” program, another National policy, which was basically another kind of Charter School in techno-utopian drag. I support distance learning (extramural/ correspondence), and the internet seems like a sensible way to deliver it in the 21st century, but online courses need to be subject to the same curriculum and teaching standards that apply to traditional postal correspondence courses.

      “in the Olden Days – lots of teachers, damn’ good ones, came in from trades and similar to teach.”

      Yes, and in the Olden Days, physical abuse of students by these untrained teachers was much higher, because they had neither the patience nor the training to carry out effective, non-violent classroom management. Sexual abuse was also higher, as their motives for going into teaching weren’t always noble. Mandating proper training and registration can’t completely eliminate pedophiles from the teaching profession, but it forces them to go to much greater effort to get access to classrooms full of children, and makes it much easier to keep their out of schools once they are identified.

      Absolutely agree about the second-chance schools. High schools have pushed academic learning over practical learning since my time there, whether that’s appropriate for a given student or not. In my parents’ day, students who were more suited to trades and other hands-on work could go to technical colleges instead of academic-orientated high schools; basically go straight to polytech but without the student loan. Fortunately, the NCEA system now allows high schools to offer more practical subjects. For example, see the students being trained in panelbeating at a high school in Nigel Latta’s documentary series from 2014:
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/nigel-latta/episodes/s1-e2

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