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  1. Yep. The state has influence over you..but you have no influence over the state. The imbalance is clear.
    The removal of voting rights by the Key government was an unnecessary retrograde step on a slippery slope.
    One wonders what the next category of disenfranchised persons would have been. Overstayers? asylum seekers? the homeless? beneficiaries?

    PS I do think crims should go to prison..end of story.

  2. Indeed, Christine. It’s unclear how the re-intergration of prisoners back into mainstream society is achieved by with-holding their right to vote, and then expecting them to observe the very “civic values” which had been stripped from them.

    Right-wing “Tough on crime” types don’t seem to have any explanation how this helps reintegrate prisoners back into society.

    1. Just look at any forms used by real estate agencies to ask potential tenants for information. Former convictions, incarceration and so forth are asked for, and you can logically conclude, if a person has any of those, he or she will be at the very end of the queue for housing:
      https://rw-media.s3.amazonaws.com/residential-offices/wp-content/blogs.dir/sites/913/2016/03/15110145/Ray-White-Tenancy-Application.pdf

      That is just one example.

      ‘Have you ever been incarcerated’, question at near the top of page 2.

      Once with a record, especially a prison record, you are stuffed in this country and society, never mind that so called useless ‘Clean Slate Act’ we have.

  3. Whenever I hear people praise NZ Inc as a ‘fair’, ‘reasonable’ and ‘give everyone a fair go’ kind of place, I am reminded of the sad reality, that this place is in many cases anything but what it claims.

    There is a strong element within the NZ Inc population that is selfish, nasty, intolerant, hypocritical, dishonest and back stabbing also.

    We know most of these ones vote National and / or ACT.

    There is no surprise in this.

    Those people need to be dealt with, as they make life miserable for all others. And this bigoted, nasty mindset of so many, that sees to it, that there is NO chance of rehabilitation of any person who ever did something wrong.

    Too many simply believe in the lock them up and throw away the key forever kind of attitude.

    And they also deny any prisoner the right to vote. Well, people who did wrong and got convicted are in prison, of course, to do time, to think about their wrongdoings and to hopefully get motivated to ‘reform’.

    But how do you give any person like that any incentive to do the right thing, when you punish them endlessly, treat them like imbeciles, like immature, stupid people, and deny them a basic right, such as the one to vote?

    We are sending prisoners the message you do not matter, we will never forgive you, we are against you, and you have NO rights at all.

    And within National this attitude is strong.

    Why does Andrew Little give in to Winston and his hard talk on crime and criminals, why does he not talk real stuff with Winston and NZ First, and others, and get them to understand, hey, we have to reform, give them a fair chance, and work differently?

    If that is not possible within this coalition, I wonder, like on some other matters, how useful is this coalition after all. We need to get back to becoming a fairer and a decent society, and if we cannot even give prisoners, at least those with minor convictions, the vote, and if we cannot have true cannabis and other reforms, what is the point of all this?

    It proves to me again, we should have left it to Nats to do a deal with Winston, to bury their own graves, and Labour and Greens would win in 2020 and probably two elections after that, and rule, and bring true progress, but that is now never going to happen, is it?

  4. many of colonials were crims Andrew is that one of your family lines (gibbon wakefield biggest land thief out

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